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Post by BATouttaheck on Sept 11, 2020 0:17:29 GMT
"In July, a man accused of blasphemy was shot dead in a courtroom in the northwestern city of Peshawar [Muhammad Sajjad/AP Photo]" Does this caption or the image itself have ANYTHING to do with the article ? dividavi
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Post by dividavi on Sept 11, 2020 1:58:47 GMT
"In July, a man accused of blasphemy was shot dead in a courtroom in the northwestern city of Peshawar [Muhammad Sajjad/AP Photo]" Does this caption or the image itself have ANYTHING to do with the article ? dividavi The photo and the caption were part of the article and were cleared by the editors at Al Jazeera. I spent a moment to consider omitting them since they really didn't seem to fit and were really extraneous and unnecessary. However, I decided to retain them since I could be accused of distorting the article. I have once or twice endured that false accusation in this forum. The stuff about Aasia (usually written as Asia) Bibi was also part of the article and seems irrelevant. I suppose the author wanted to fill up space or maybe he considered it as necessary background information.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Sept 11, 2020 12:53:10 GMT
Backlash in Pakistan as police appear to blame woman motorist for gang rape www.theguardian.com/society/2020/sep/11/backlash-in-pakistan-as-police-appear-to-blame-woman-motorist-for-gangImran Khan, the prime minister, said in a statement on Twitter that he was following the case closely and had asked investigators for the “arrest and sentencing of those involved in the incident as soon as possible”. He added: “Such brutality and bestiality cannot be allowed in any civilised society.” Nothing to say about the Christian sentenced to death for "blasphemy"? Arsehole. www.persecution.org/2020/09/11/asia-bibi-calls-pakistans-prime-minister-protect-persecuted-christians/According to a 2014 study by The Movement for Solidarity and Peace Pakistan, an estimated 1,000 women and girls from Pakistan’s Hindu and Christian communities are abducted, forcefully married to their captors, and forcibly converted to Islam every year. The issue of religion is also often injected into cases of sexual assault to place victims from religious minority communities at a disadvantage. Playing upon religious biases, perpetrators know they can cover up and justify their crimes by introducing an element of religion.
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Post by man_in_a_suitcase on Sept 11, 2020 13:46:39 GMT
And apart from the few 'do the crime, do the time' politicians it is generally acknowledged here that long term racist policies are responsible for Australias Aboriginal prison population. Alcoholism, domestic violence, brain damage leading to violence and poor emotional tolerance caused by foetal alcohol syndrome and child petrol sniffing are leading causes. There appears to be a strong movement illustrated by the lack of seriousness given by the right to BLM that since the racial discrimination laws of the 1960s America now has no racism. A ludicrous claim. But my point remains. While Pakistan can rightly be criticised for some cultural habits, Americans seem blind to equally obnoxious laws and culture. Which country is the more repressive of the two - Pakistan or the USA?
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Post by Hairynosedwombat on Sept 11, 2020 14:01:04 GMT
And apart from the few 'do the crime, do the time' politicians it is generally acknowledged here that long term racist policies are responsible for Australias Aboriginal prison population. Alcoholism, domestic violence, brain damage leading to violence and poor emotional tolerance caused by foetal alcohol syndrome and child petrol sniffing are leading causes. There appears to be a strong movement illustrated by the lack of seriousness given by the right to BLM that since the racial discrimination laws of the 1960s America now has no racism. A ludicrous claim. But my point remains. While Pakistan can rightly be criticised for some cultural habits, Americans seem blind to equally obnoxious laws and culture. Which country is the more repressive of the two - Pakistan or the USA? Looking at the blm protests and their repression by troops. Thinking of more people imprisonned than anywhere else, including more children than any other country Looking at institutional disenfranchisement by gerrymanders, removal of polling places, attempts to prevent people voting by onerous rules Looking at massive enforced poverty in oher countries by restrictive sanctions designed to destroy a countries economy, affecting the poorest people inordinately Looking at thousands of deaths by illegal wars for regime change, and in one case, support for chemical weapons on civilian populations No contest.
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Post by man_in_a_suitcase on Sept 11, 2020 14:10:42 GMT
Which country is the more repressive of the two - Pakistan or the USA? Looking at the blm protests and their repression by troops. Thinking of more people imprisonned than anywhere else, including more children than any other country Looking at institutional disenfranchisement by gerrymanders, removal of polling places, attempts to prevent people voting by onerous rules Looking at massive enforced poverty in oher countries by restrictive sanctions designed to destroy a countries economy, affecting the poorest people inordinately Looking at thousands of deaths by illegal wars for regime change, and in one case, support for chemical weapons on civilian populations No contest. So you really think that the US is more repressive than Pakistan? I know you hate the US and love Islam, but surely you can't actually believe that.
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Post by Hairynosedwombat on Sept 11, 2020 14:32:11 GMT
Looking at the blm protests and their repression by troops. Thinking of more people imprisonned than anywhere else, including more children than any other country Looking at institutional disenfranchisement by gerrymanders, removal of polling places, attempts to prevent people voting by onerous rules Looking at massive enforced poverty in oher countries by restrictive sanctions designed to destroy a countries economy, affecting the poorest people inordinately Looking at thousands of deaths by illegal wars for regime change, and in one case, support for chemical weapons on civilian populations No contest. So you really think that the US is more repressive than Pakistan? I know you hate the US and love Islam, but surely you can't actually believe that. Pakistan is Muslim. It must be the worst. Fucking ignorant bigot.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Sept 11, 2020 14:49:54 GMT
Which country is the more repressive of the two - Pakistan or the USA? Looking at the blm protests and their repression by troops. Thinking of more people imprisonned than anywhere else, including more children than any other country Looking at institutional disenfranchisement by gerrymanders, removal of polling places, attempts to prevent people voting by onerous rules Looking at massive enforced poverty in oher countries by restrictive sanctions designed to destroy a countries economy, affecting the poorest people inordinately Looking at thousands of deaths by illegal wars for regime change, and in one case, support for chemical weapons on civilian populations No contest. These are all valid arguments to throw at an American claiming that the USA is a shining beacon of freedom for the world, or some such nonsense.
They are NOT valid arguments when the question is "which country is the more repressive of the two - Pakistan or the USA?".
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Post by man_in_a_suitcase on Sept 11, 2020 15:39:21 GMT
So you really think that the US is more repressive than Pakistan? I know you hate the US and love Islam, but surely you can't actually believe that. Pakistan is Muslim. It must be the worst. Fucking ignorant bigot. Well, even the most liberal Muslim countries have less individual freedom than any Western democracy. And Pakistan is hardly one of the most liberal Muslim countries...
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Post by oftrollorigins on Sept 11, 2020 15:51:52 GMT
Which country is the more repressive of the two - Pakistan or the USA? Looking at the blm protests and their repression by troops. Thinking of more people imprisonned than anywhere else, including more children than any other country Looking at institutional disenfranchisement by gerrymanders, removal of polling places, attempts to prevent people voting by onerous rules Looking at massive enforced poverty in oher countries by restrictive sanctions designed to destroy a countries economy, affecting the poorest people inordinately Looking at thousands of deaths by illegal wars for regime change, and in one case, support for chemical weapons on civilian populations No contest. There’s a lot of hyperbole there but I have one question for you: does America put people in jail for insulting a religion? Yes or no.
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Post by Hairynosedwombat on Sept 11, 2020 17:16:27 GMT
Looking at the blm protests and their repression by troops. Thinking of more people imprisonned than anywhere else, including more children than any other country Looking at institutional disenfranchisement by gerrymanders, removal of polling places, attempts to prevent people voting by onerous rules Looking at massive enforced poverty in oher countries by restrictive sanctions designed to destroy a countries economy, affecting the poorest people inordinately Looking at thousands of deaths by illegal wars for regime change, and in one case, support for chemical weapons on civilian populations No contest. There’s a lot of hyperbole there but I have one question for you: does America put people in jail for insulting a religion? Yes or no. America doesnt need a reason to imprison people. Chelsea Manning imprisonned for years without charge after being pardonned. At least 2 Iranians imprisonned for years, apparently awaiting convenient prisoner swaps. Dozens of Uyghar terrorists on CIA payroll, imprisonned after being accidentally purchased in Afghanistan but nowhere to send them Many more contributing to Americas fame as the worlds largest prison factory.
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Post by oftrollorigins on Sept 11, 2020 17:19:53 GMT
There’s a lot of hyperbole there but I have one question for you: does America put people in jail for insulting a religion? Yes or no. America doesnt need a reason to imprison people. Chelsea Manning imprisonned for years without charge after being pardonned. At least 2 Iranians imprisonned for years, apparently awaiting convenient prisoner swaps. Dozens of Uyghar terrorists on CIA payroll, imprisonned after being accidentally purchased in Afghanistan but nowhere to send them Many more contributing to Americas fame as the worlds largest prison factory. Can you please answer my question?
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Post by Hairynosedwombat on Sept 11, 2020 17:24:24 GMT
America doesnt need a reason to imprison people. Chelsea Manning imprisonned for years without charge after being pardonned. At least 2 Iranians imprisonned for years, apparently awaiting convenient prisoner swaps. Dozens of Uyghar terrorists on CIA payroll, imprisonned after being accidentally purchased in Afghanistan but nowhere to send them Many more contributing to Americas fame as the worlds largest prison factory. Can you please answer my question? No. Its worse. America imprisons people without trial for political purposes.
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Post by oftrollorigins on Sept 11, 2020 17:41:11 GMT
Can you please answer my question? No. Its worse. America imprisons people without trial for political purposes. Just answer yes or no.
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Post by Hairynosedwombat on Sept 11, 2020 19:50:08 GMT
No. Its worse. America imprisons people without trial for political purposes. Just answer yes or no. I did.
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Post by man_in_a_suitcase on Sept 11, 2020 22:57:26 GMT
Can you please answer my question? No. Its worse. America imprisons people without trial for political purposes. And I' m sure no Muslim countries do that...
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Post by Hairynosedwombat on Sept 12, 2020 4:30:08 GMT
No. Its worse. America imprisons people without trial for political purposes. And I' m sure no Muslim countries do that... If you think that you are even more naive than I thought, although no more stupid. So it is Islam, not Pakistan that is the problem. Why dont you give us some examples in Western Sydney where Christian proselytisers or anti Islam activists were executed, or even are illegal. Or Malaysia. Or Londonistan.
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Post by man_in_a_suitcase on Sept 12, 2020 4:41:27 GMT
And I' m sure no Muslim countries do that... If you think that you are even more naive than I thought, although no more stupid. So it is Islam, not Pakistan that is the problem. Why dont you give us some examples in Western Sydney where Christian proselytisers or anti Islam activists were executed, or even are illegal. Or Malaysia. Or Londonistan. Yes, Islam is a problem, as evidenced by the fact that every single Muslim majority country is more repressive and less free than any Western democracy. Or do you deny this?
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Post by Hairynosedwombat on Sept 12, 2020 8:16:51 GMT
If you think that you are even more naive than I thought, although no more stupid. So it is Islam, not Pakistan that is the problem. Why dont you give us some examples in Western Sydney where Christian proselytisers or anti Islam activists were executed, or even are illegal. Or Malaysia. Or Londonistan. Yes, Islam is a problem, as evidenced by the fact that every single Muslim majority country is more repressive and less free than any Western democracy. Or do you deny this? You saw my list of Americas freedoms, leading with locking up more people than any other country. But being good christians they let prisoners eat pork. Is Pakistan using the military to stop protests about repressive policies against minorities? Is America? I forgot. Pakistan has a law against people calling its prophet a paedophile. Of course good Christians and Jews allow their Priests and Rabbis to be paedophiles. Ah freedom!
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Post by man_in_a_suitcase on Sept 12, 2020 9:37:45 GMT
Yes, Islam is a problem, as evidenced by the fact that every single Muslim majority country is more repressive and less free than any Western democracy. Or do you deny this? You saw my list of Americas freedoms, leading with locking up more people than any other country. But being good christians they let prisoners eat pork. Is Pakistan using the military to stop protests about repressive policies against minorities? Is America? I forgot. Pakistan has a law against people calling its prophet a paedophile. Of course good Christians and Jews allow their Priests and Rabbis to be paedophiles. Ah freedom! Since you’re focusing on the blasphemy angle, I’ll ask another simple question - which country has greater religious freedom, the USA or Pakistan?
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