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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2020 12:43:05 GMT
I don’t mean “The Ten Commandments” or “Prince of Egypt” or “The Passion of the Christ”
I’m talking about “Faith Based” films. You know, “Gods Not Dead” or “War Room” or “Left Behind” etc...
You can make an amazing film with indie budgets.
“Lost in Translation”
“Winters Bone”
“Whiplash”
“Parasite”
“Little Miss Sunshine”
Why don’t they get an up and coming director? Why can’t they use good camera angles, cinematography, good acting (some of these films have famous people), better writing, dialogue.
It just feels like they aren’t putting the effort into it. Like a low budget SyFy film or a Hallmark Movie.
So it’s not just because it’s low budget, I’ve seen some amazing films made on a low budget.
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Post by moviemouth on Dec 2, 2020 13:16:27 GMT
Because those films are propaganda in the worst sense of the word.
No good filmmaker would make one of those movies. They are movies made specifically for fundamentalist Christians.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 2, 2020 15:19:10 GMT
Aren’t those all made by that same company that caters to the fundamentalist crowd? If so, there’s your answer. There are a few recent exceptions from the last five, six years like Hacksaw Ridge, All Saints, Risen, and Captive though. I hadn’t seen the Two Popes yet but it has to be better than the PureFlix crap.
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Post by ck100 on Dec 2, 2020 15:23:44 GMT
Neil Breen makes Steven Seagal look like Laurence Olivier.
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Post by kolchak92 on Dec 2, 2020 15:47:25 GMT
Isn't The Ten Commandments a Jewish-based film?
But anyway, I think those films you're talking about first and foremost have an agenda to push. The aim more than anything is to push fundamentalist Christianity, so any desire to actually make a good film is secondary to that. I'm generalizing a bit of course, but I think that's what it comes down to.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 2, 2020 15:47:32 GMT
Neil Breen makes Steven Seagal look like Laurence Olivier. Are his films religious or Christian-oriented though? From what clips I've seen of his work, it seems more like a cult of personality/New Age hogwash.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2020 16:18:00 GMT
Isn't The Ten Commandments a Jewish-based film? But anyway, I think those films you're talking about first and foremost have an agenda to push. The aim more than anything is to push fundamentalist Christianity, so any desire to actually make a good film is secondary to that. I'm generalizing a bit of course, but I think that's what it comes down to. But my title said Christian / Faith Based I mean any faith. Plus, the Torah is the Old Testament for Christians, so it covers both. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2020 16:18:32 GMT
Aren’t those all made by that same company that caters to the fundamentalist crowd? If so, there’s your answer. There are a few recent exceptions from the last five, six years like Hacksaw Ridge, All Saints, Risen, and Captive though. I hadn’t seen the Two Popes yet but it has to be better than the PureFlix crap. Hacksaw Ridge was excellent. |
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Post by Vits on Dec 2, 2020 18:19:21 GMT
I think those films you're talking about first and foremost have an agenda to push. The aim more than anything is to push fundamentalist Christianity, so any desire to actually make a good film is secondary to that. I'm generalizing a bit of course, but I think that's what it comes down to. Well said. SAVING CHRISTMAS is arguably the most egregious example. It's mainly 80 minutes of 2 guys chatting in a car, where one tries to convince the other that Christmas is still a Christian holiday despite its origins. Sure, it's refreshing to hear that from a fanatic (they tend to say the opposite), but it's not the right approach (for a movie). There's also the GOD'S NOT DEAD trilogy. I haven't seen the 3rd one yet, but the first 2 only exist as a response to the so-called war on Christians.
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Post by onethreetwo on Dec 2, 2020 18:25:23 GMT
Calling them bad is subjective. We know a lot of people like Christian films because they speak to their faith. I think the question is, are they "cinema"? Are totally unrealistic and schmaltzy propaganda pieces cinematic art? I don't know. If not then neither are Christmas or Hallmark love stories.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2020 19:09:09 GMT
Calling them bad is subjective. We know a lot of people like Christian films because they speak to their faith. I think the question is, are they "cinema"? Are totally unrealistic and schmaltzy propaganda pieces cinematic art? I don't know. If not then neither are Christmas or Hallmark love stories. That’s what I mean. Film execution. |
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Post by Archelaus on Dec 2, 2020 19:25:16 GMT
I think the problem is that the message of the film comes first and it appeals only to a Christian audience. Unplanned was made from the ground up to be anti-abortion, and there was hardly any argument to counterbalance the film's theme with something logical. That said, I did enjoy I Can Only Imagine, a musical biopic about Bart Millard, the lead singer of the Christian band MercyMe. The message of personal salvation didn't feel forced and the performances were adequate. The music had cross-over appeal.
So, I chalk it up that Christian films, for the lack of a better phrase, tend to "preach to the choir" and their production values are equivalent to that of a television movie.
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Post by marianne48 on Dec 2, 2020 22:18:41 GMT
Breakthrough (2019) is pretty good. I thought it could hsve different interpretations for different people, from fundamentalist Christian to agnostic/atheist, which would be fair to either side.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Dec 2, 2020 22:31:06 GMT
They lack the skill set that wicked Hollywood productions do.
And when those wicked Hollywood productions decide to do something religious, they have a hard time doing a good one because of their dark, evil, and demonic influence.
That's why good directors turned out crappy stuff like Noah and Moses.
Hollywood's best bet is to do a Samsom movie but they don;t listen to me. It's got everything the godless hordes want.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 2, 2020 22:45:37 GMT
Probably because they put about as much effort into them as a typical made for TV movie. Something like "God's not Dead" has about the same effort and production as a typical Lifetime Movie. On top of that they do tend to be rather hamfisted with their messaging and just comes off as propaganda. The best route to go really is movies based on Bible stories, that way you don't risk alientating people that aren't Christian/religious. It's probably no coincidence 1Ten Commandements, Noah, and The Last Temptation are held in much higher regard than a typical Pure Flix film.
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Post by onethreetwo on Dec 2, 2020 22:49:48 GMT
Calling them bad is subjective. We know a lot of people like Christian films because they speak to their faith. I think the question is, are they "cinema"? Are totally unrealistic and schmaltzy propaganda pieces cinematic art? I don't know. If not then neither are Christmas or Hallmark love stories. That’s what I mean. Film execution. Right. But if they're not cinema and only fluff entertainment, then their quality is moot. |
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Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 2, 2020 22:50:20 GMT
They lack the skill set that wicked Hollywood productions do. And when those wicked Hollywood productions decide to do something religious, they have a hard time doing a good one because of their dark, evil, and demonic influence. That's why good directors turned out crappy stuff like Noah and Moses. Hollywood's best bet is to do a Samsom movie but they don;t listen to me. It's got everything the godless hordes want. I'm guessing you meant a high budget film with actual A-listers (no offense to Billy Zane) and flashy CGI. Essentially a Marvel Comics Universe type movie. I don't see that happening, there's probably more money in making a Hercules film (the 90s Disney film and the one with Dwayne Johnson did pretty well at the box office, the Kevin Sorbo TV show was quite successful).
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Dec 2, 2020 23:13:07 GMT
They lack the skill set that wicked Hollywood productions do. And when those wicked Hollywood productions decide to do something religious, they have a hard time doing a good one because of their dark, evil, and demonic influence. That's why good directors turned out crappy stuff like Noah and Moses. Hollywood's best bet is to do a Samsom movie but they don;t listen to me. It's got everything the godless hordes want. I'm guessing you meant a high budget film with actual A-listers (no offense to Billy Zane) and flashy CGI. Essentially a Marvel Comics Universe type movie. I don't see that happening, there's probably more money in making a Hercules film (the 90s Disney film and the one with Dwayne Johnson did pretty well at the box office, the Kevin Sorbo TV show was quite successful). ewww. God fearing people may has well made that one. A true film about Judges or Samson in particular would need to be R rated. You can’t PG a story about killing an army with a jawbone or a woman hammering a spike through someone’s skull. |
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Post by novastar6 on Dec 3, 2020 7:15:30 GMT
I liked Left Behind, the others mentioned, haven't seen them, have no interest in seeing them.
Now, one I thought was rather interesting, The Moment After, of all people, a Jewish man at temple (the ONLY person at temple) is one of the first to realize what's going on.
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Dec 3, 2020 10:10:18 GMT
Because they are dull, extremely preachy and void of any creativity. Plus many have bigoted, twisted and dangerous messages.
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