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Post by mrbeale on Feb 20, 2017 19:55:47 GMT
I'm happy to make this both my first post on these boards and the first post for this film.
I rewatched this film about a week ago for perhaps the 30th time. I will never get the hate for this. It boasts a great story, breakthrough effects, fascinating characters, riveting editing, a phenomenal score from John Williams, and brilliant sound design. The CGI has dated a little in spots but on the whole it holds up remarkably well. Jar Jar and Watto look completely realistic, and the Pod Race sequence is just insane. In the grander scheme of the Star Wars universe, it brings a fascinating look as to how supposedly banal politicking can serve as the catalyst for drastic change.
It's also filled with small touches that you might not notice on first viewing but which add so much to the film (i.e. an ostensibly shamed Palpatine just starting to smile as the film wipes to the next scene; the music for the celebration of the finale being the Emperor's theme in major key, underlining that while the characters are all celebrating, they're in fact sealing their doom).
I only wish more people could get out of this wonderful film as much as I do.
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Post by kuatorises on Feb 20, 2017 20:34:17 GMT
I can say confidently that I feel this is easily the best prequels, but I wouldn't call it underrated, or even good. Using words like breakthrough, fascinating, and riveting don't help your point IMO. It can pass for okay if you ignore Jar Jar, kid Anakin single-handedly taking down a ship, some of the more bland/wooden acting, and humor that only a three-year-old would find funny. It does have the best light saber duels, most practical effects, and probably the best performances of the three movies. The music is pretty good now that you mention it. Easily the best of that trilogy.
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Post by sov on Feb 21, 2017 6:27:32 GMT
It isn't my least favorite prequel, and there's a lot I enjoy about it (and some I don't). I love me some Liam Neeson and Darth Maul, though. I would've loved if Darth Maul had been a bigger antagonist, and survived into Revenge of the Sith, and sitting through Episodes II and III the first time, I kinda wanted to see Qui-Gon Jinn pop up as a Force Ghost somewhere.
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Post by deeznutz on Feb 22, 2017 4:52:42 GMT
I thought it was ok, alright it wasn't a classic but I'm sure if I were younger I would of thought differently about it eneterily, good fights good villain, which is a shame we had so little of him I thought he could of been used more overall it's a half decent attempt
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Post by darthabe on Feb 23, 2017 5:31:06 GMT
I watched it recently and the flaws aren't as many as people claim but the ones I notice sure do stick out like a sore thumb. People say Jar Jar was bad, and he was, but the thing that I can't get past is Lloyd as young Anakin. Not sure what Lucas was thinking, this character should have been at least 14 or 15.
Other than that, it's an okay film.
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Post by MooseNugget on Feb 23, 2017 20:53:55 GMT
Like others said it's an okay film. The score is great and Darth Maul is really cool. But it pals in comparison to the original trilogy or even the newer movies.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 17:21:19 GMT
This film feels like a story the creator never really had down fully in his head, but he just decided to make it anyway.
Glad you enjoy it, but it ranks near the bottom of the film series for me....
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Post by twothousandonemark on Mar 9, 2017 17:43:58 GMT
B-
I'll say it does feel the most linear of the prequels, without jumping around. That helps because jumping around AOTC felt skittish. Alas, TPM's final act, the Saturday morning cartoon show that is the ground battle, takes me right out of it. The droid army is fine, it's the stumbling bumbling Gungan army with its giant cartoon blue balls + Jar Jar's accident prone success which sucks.
I know ppl wanted more Darth Maul because he's awesome in battle. I wanted more of him because of how stealthy & sophisticated he seemed - like his search on Tatooine. He should've been much more than window dressing.
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Post by sjg on Mar 9, 2017 18:56:27 GMT
I've never had a problem with this film or with Jar Jar.
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Post by ryboto on Mar 9, 2017 19:50:56 GMT
B-I'll say it does feel the most linear of the prequels, without jumping around. That helps because jumping around AOTC felt skittish. Alas, TPM's final act, the Saturday morning cartoon show that is the ground battle, takes me right out of it. The droid army is fine, it's the stumbling bumbling Gungan army with its giant cartoon blue balls + Jar Jar's accident prone success which sucks. I know ppl wanted more Darth Maul because he's awesome in battle. I wanted more of him because of how stealthy & sophisticated he seemed - like his search on Tatooine. He should've been much more than window dressing. If you're interested in Maul, watch his arc in Star Wars Rebels, the animated series, as well as his first appearance on the Clone Wars animated series. Pretty good stuff!
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 10, 2017 6:27:21 GMT
This film feels like a story the creator never really had down fully in his head, but he just decided to make it anyway.Glad you enjoy it, but it ranks near the bottom of the film series for me.... It's obviously fine that TPM just isn't one of your favorites, but I don't think that's a fair statement, honestly. Lucas has spoken at length about his reason(s) for making the film the way he did, particularly with respect to the the extended the length of time between this and its sequels as well as the choice to make Anakin a young boy. It's nothing if not his definitive vision of the events it depicts. (Cue trolls, suuuper lame/one-note Jar Jar jokes, the same tired prequel fights, the subsequent TFA/Disney shit, etc.)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 20:38:46 GMT
TPM is a gorgeous film (visually). I will give it that. The cinematography and golden age style directing are both stellar. It is also brimming with creativity and imagination. So far so good. I wish TFA and the other two prequels had those things going for them.
BUT... The story is a mess. Who is the protagonist here? It's not Anakin. He's not introduced until well into act two. Is it Padme? It is after all the story of her planet yet she is often the least important character on screen. So it's Qui Gonn then. But WHY? He dies at the end and has no part in the next two movies! What an odd choice.
The pod race, while visually magnificent, is a self indulgent diversion from the story. Is it about Naboo anymore? Or is it now about Anakin? How many things are they trying to do in this movie??
WHY is Anakin a child?? How can you build a trilogy when the main character switches actors??
WHY is Obi Wan so unimportant here???
How bout that dialogue? Wooden and flat.
And I must of course mention the Gungans and Jar Jar. Infantile and cringe worthy.
Still, year after year I find myself watching this again because of the pros I mentioned up top. If only the script could match the visuals and imagination this would've been a masterpiece.
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Post by Commander_Jim on Mar 14, 2017 20:42:50 GMT
Ghostbusters (2016)
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Post by shinnickneth on Mar 15, 2017 13:25:44 GMT
I wouldn't say it's terrible like others do on the Internet. Whenever I watch the franchise, I always include Episode 1 in the lineup (I watch all of the PT actually). One thing I'll say about George Lucas is that he's excellent at an overall story/synopsis/idea man. What he really needed work on was his dialogue and flushing out characters. I will say it's a shame Frank Darabont (The Shawshank Redemption, The Green Mile) had to turn down George Lucas' offer for him to co-write on Episode 1's screenplay due to Lucas' longstanding issues with the film unions. I bet they could have come up with some excellent content together!
If I truly had my way with the franchise, I would have wished Episode 1 started at the point Episode 2 starts in the timeline. This would solve the issue of the age gap between Anakin and Padme in Episode 1 (him being a little boy while she was a teenager), so when they proclaim their love for each other later in the trilogy, it's less...odd. Drop the "kill Padme" storyline. Make it so Padme was never a Queen and she was just a senator or princess. Then Anakin could get to know Padme through their personal-yet-reserved dealings with each other during their Jedi/Senator affairs - with things eventually getting romantically involved over the course of the trilogy. Their relationship would build organically instead of going from barely knowing each other as kids, to professing how life is unbearable without each other in the course of a few scenes. I think that would be more believable.
Episode 1 and 2 would also heavily build on Obi-Wan and Anakin's relationship. The Anakin/Obi-Wan scenes are my favorite in the PT...which sadly, they get so few together in the trilogy! I think that was a mistake. In my fantasy version, their relationship would be one of the driving forces of the trilogy. The trilogy would follow their Jedi missions together - providing lots of opportunities for them to bond together on screen when Anakin wasn't with Padme or Palpatine. We would also see the various members on the Jedi Council more (flush each one out to be unique) and the Jedi way of life in general. The Jedi path would be shown to be too restrictive for Anakin, who becomes increasingly obsessed with abilities/power. Darth Maul would be Sidious' apprentice for the trilogy until Darth Vader comes along.
Then Episode 3 could stay more or less the same.
Anyway, I feel people are overly critical of Episode 1. Yet I do see how the precious film time could have been better used on an older Anakin and Padme from the get-go.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 13:30:51 GMT
If I truly had my way with the franchise, I would have wished Episode 1 started at the point Episode 2 starts in the timeline. I agree with this. However, I probably then would have split Episode 3 over two movies giving it more time to develop, but also time to show a little more of the aftermath and Jedi purge....
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Post by shinnickneth on Mar 15, 2017 13:39:22 GMT
If I truly had my way with the franchise, I would have wished Episode 1 started at the point Episode 2 starts in the timeline. I agree with this. However, I probably then would have split Episode 3 over two movies giving it more time to develop, but also time to show a little more of the aftermath and Jedi purge.... Interesting. Yeah, that would have been great too. Ever since the original Star Wars movie came out, I had always dreamed of what the Clone Wars were like and the subsequent hunting down of the Jedi that Ben Kenobi told Luke about. It was little disappointing to finally see how little of that was included in Episode 3.
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Post by miike80 on Mar 15, 2017 13:42:45 GMT
Well, I like TPM more than TFA, that's for sure. And I find it way more rewatchable. Jar Jar is just as annoying as Finn, not more
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Post by politicidal on Mar 19, 2017 17:07:52 GMT
I wouldn't say underrated but I do think it's overly criticized. The problems that people levy at the movie like stilted dialogue, special effects overload, or cutesy sidekicks were complaints with some of the original films. It's ultimately an uneven but serviceable space opera.
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Post by bb15 on Mar 20, 2017 3:39:06 GMT
I've found that some people's opinions about TPM are all over the map. - On the TFA Board I praised a couple of things about TPM. 1. In TPM Palpatine ordered the droid army to wipe everyone out on Naboo. This is classic Palpatine. (Ian McDiarmid is always wonderful in SW.) One of Palpatine's major motivations in the Star Wars films was to use genocide as a terror weapon. In his regime with "Rogue One" Tarkin wipes out a city. With ANH the Death Star wiped out Alderaan. I tried to point out a classic Palpatine motivation in three Star Wars movies. Result? I was called an "elitist". 2. I also praised another TPM sequence where young Anakin had instant expert space ship pilot skills when he blew up the Droid Control Ship. Another classic Star Wars moment where the hero destroys a central machine / weapon and prevents genocide. One of my favorite parts of TPM. Result? I'm called an "Apologist". Oh well. * Besides these parts of TPM which are classic Star Wars (which I appreciate), I also liked Liam Neesen and McGregor in TPM. The Darth Maul fight was good until the end. And young Natalie Portman did a fine job. There are many things to enjoy in TPM. Imo at least, BB ;-)
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 25, 2017 1:39:25 GMT
There are many things to enjoy in TPM. Imo at least, BB ;-) Yeah, it's such a rewarding movie on multiple viewings. My favorite thing about it would be its general aesthetic and the glimpse it provides us of the last days of the pre-Palpatine Old Republic. It really has a feeling of antiquity absent in all the other films.
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