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Post by The Social Introvert on May 11, 2017 7:46:35 GMT
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4MN3XnqhQU&t=11sWatching the two recently again, and I'm not saying Aliens is better (the two films complement each other very well) but I think Aliens has a lot to offer but gets an unfair amount of hate recently.
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Post by bb15 on May 11, 2017 19:34:25 GMT
No. Each movie is a different sub genre of science fiction. Alien is a thriller horror film. Aliens is a modern action / horror movie.
Both remain very effective.
Imo at least, BB ;-)
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 22:42:07 GMT
I never compare the two because they are, as BB15 says, two different genres. It's like asking whether Life of Brian is a better movie than Gladiator.
Alien holds up extremely well, IMO, with a few exceptions. The chestburster scene is great of course, but the scene of the little fella on the table going "raaaaawr!" doesn't look very realistic, and him running across the table looks silly. I saw the director's cut in a cinema a while back and people actually laughed at that point.
Also, Ash's head is reeeeealy badly done. The transition from plastic head to real head sticking through table is horribly obvious and just doesn't work.
Oh, and the computer system is soooo 1970s.
It's a very solid movie otherwise, though.
Aliens has fewer issues. One or two iffy effects shots, and the Newt doll Ripley carries round is kinda obvious once you know to look at it. On that basis, I guess you could say that it's stood the test of time better in a narrow technical sense.
But they're both still great movies. And both miles better than anything that came afterwards.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 3:27:40 GMT
I love both films equally and they remain two of my top five SF films ever. I cannot choose one over the other. They are very different films but both masterpieces. Both benefit from excellent casts where the chemistry felt real. I contrast that chemistry with a film like Prometheus where there was almost no chemistry at all, which makes it impossible to care when a character is killed. I hope Covenant is at least better than Prometheus.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 18:01:06 GMT
No. I don't dislike Aliens but I can watch Alien once a year and never get bored and I can't say the same about Aliens.
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Post by xystophoros on Jun 5, 2017 20:10:29 GMT
I have no problem with the analog control panels and monochrome GUIs in Alien, just like I don't have a problem with them in Star Wars. In fact, I love shit like that.
Some films intentionally make the choice to go with older-looking equipment, in an effort to capture that feeling of retrofuturism, or just because it looks cool. Event Horizon came out almost 20 years after Alien did, but if you look at the flight deck of the Lewis and Clarke, it's almost all analog panels and dials.
It just doesn't feel right to make everything sparkling new, or forgo the use of tactile and physical controls altogether in favor of Minority Report-style holographic displays. The old scuffed and worn stations on the Nostromo flight deck look exactly the way you'd expect them to look on an old commercial freighter that's been crossing interstellar space for 50 years.
Besides, Aliens' tech props are very much a product of their time. Cameron loved to use those LCD displays, which are very 80s, and the designs of the APC, the guns and the drop ship are all designs that looked futuristic to audiences in the 1980s.
Overall though, Ridley Scott's Alien didn't even have dialog for 5+ minutes to open the film, while Cameron is incapable of subtlety. If Ridley Scott has a scene where a character is running down the corridors of a starship with an alien hunting them down, James Cameron would have the same scene with explosions, automatic weapons fire, asteroid debris poking holes in the hull, and cheesy Spanish-inflected one-liners like: "Game over, muchacho! You just got served, pendejo, five by five!"
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Post by drystyx on Aug 15, 2017 14:37:44 GMT
I would claim both hold up well. One person noted they are different genres, though he misidentified the genre of ALIENS. ALIEN is sci-fi, and quite obviously on the playing field of "It, The Terror From Beyond Space", but leaned a bit towards fantasy, too, as initially we had a "Beauty and the Beast" theme that critics wanted people to forget. It was clear the alien could have killed the survivor a few times, but the "pet" factor was symbolized by the cat, and it was "Beauty killed the beast".
ALIENS was almost totally a "war" film, a throwback to the old forties and fifties war films of soldiers isolated behind enemy lines.
Both are remarkable, IMO. Of the next two, Alien 4 was easily third best, and succeeded in the "no respect of persons" theme that Alien III tried too hard to contrive. Alien III was so Hollywood formula that a billion writers could have won law suits against it for plagiarism. Alien 4 will stand up a lot better, though not as well as 1 or 2, because of the dark humor and the "no respect of persons" theme done without contrivance.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Sept 14, 2017 20:47:35 GMT
Do you think Aliens maybe holds up better than Alien?
Actually I think its the reverse. IMO
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Post by PreachCaleb on Sept 20, 2017 16:17:57 GMT
Both hold up very well, but for different reasons.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Sept 20, 2017 16:22:31 GMT
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4MN3XnqhQU&t=11sWatching the two recently again, and I'm not saying Aliens is better (the two films complement each other very well) but I think Aliens has a lot to offer but gets an unfair amount of hate recently. Really? For a long time it seemed like Aliens was easily the fan favorite. I prefer the first film, although I like most of the films in the series.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2018 1:28:02 GMT
Aliens is slightly overrated but I think it's an easier movie to watch. It's been so long since I saw Alien but I remember it being too slow-moving.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Feb 5, 2018 3:01:47 GMT
Alien is an adjective, Aliens is a plural noun.
Personally, I think Alien holds up better. Aliens has too many 80s-references (hairstyles etc) while Alien feels more timeless.
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Post by politicidal on Feb 5, 2018 22:23:43 GMT
It's more of a straight up action film and there's more characters to watch play off each other. In terms of atmosphere and suspense, sure Alien is better. But I did have more fun watching Aliens.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2018 1:56:44 GMT
Aliens is slightly overrated but I think it's an easier movie to watch. It's been so long since I saw Alien but I remember it being too slow-moving. Update: I take back what I said about Aliens being overrated. I think its a great movie with an almost-perfect script. I still haven't gone back to rewatch Alien to do the comparison.
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