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Post by moviemouth on Oct 30, 2021 22:33:05 GMT
It is because the Jason character literally isn't the killer in the first movie and people are dead wrong. The analogy is like saying that people think the name of the mother is Jason. Now I agree that many people think the name of the monster is Frankenstein, which is part of the marketing. Just look at most of the posters. It is Frankenstein with a big picture of the monsters face. The one movie that makes it clear is the James McAvoy movie Victor Frankenstein. I will say that the Peter Cushing movies do make a bigger distinction. There is a place for being pedantic and I don't think the name of the monster is that place. In conversation the name Frankenstein is goijng to come up either way, you need to say his name first when referring to the monster or people aren't going to know what monster you are talking about. I think my argument is apt, though I sort of understand your POV. Arguing over whether Jason is the killer in the first movie isn't nitpicky. It is language vs. an actual character. These people think Jason has always been the killer and that is a much bigger issue. The difference is that I know the name of the character isn't literally Frankenstein and I think my POV has been made quite clear about why I think it is acceptable to call him Frankenstein and I don't think I am being unreasonable. You even point out how you even posed the question of whether the monster has ever adopted the name and that seems to leave ambiguity even in your mind. I agree that it's not the world's biggest issue, I'm just stumbling over why it's not incorrect. I think the majority of people who call him Frankenstein think his name is actually Frankenstein, rather than self-aware shorthand for "Frankenstein's monster". Also, couldn't you use the same argument for "Jason's mom"? I don't see how. I don't think anybody is referring to the mom when they say Jason and there is no ambiguity there imo. Again, I didn't say it isn't technically incorrect. What is acceptable is just what I am not bothered by and can understand where the argument is coming from. Maybe I was too hard one of the other replies, because what someone finds acceptable is subjective. Even the name Adam isn't his name, it is just a comparison to the Adam of the Bible. He isn't speaking literally.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Oct 30, 2021 22:42:24 GMT
I agree that it's not the world's biggest issue, I'm just stumbling over why it's not incorrect. I think the majority of people who call him Frankenstein think his name is actually Frankenstein, rather than self-aware shorthand for "Frankenstein's monster". Also, couldn't you use the same argument for "Jason's mom"? I don't see how. I don't think anybody is referring to the mom when they say Jason and there is no ambiguity there imo. Again, I didn't say it isn't technically incorrect. What is acceptable is just what I am not bothered by and can understand where the argument is coming from. Maybe I was too hard one of the other replies, because what someone finds acceptable is subjective. Even the name Adam isn't his name, it is just a comparison to the Adam of the Bible. He isn't speaking literally. I think that poster got that from the book where he goes around calling himself Adam. Haven't read it in awhile, though. I suppose "acceptable" is an extreme word. Like we need to round up anyone who calls him Frankenstein and shoot them.
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Post by moviemouth on Oct 30, 2021 22:56:01 GMT
I don't see how. I don't think anybody is referring to the mom when they say Jason and there is no ambiguity there imo. Again, I didn't say it isn't technically incorrect. What is acceptable is just what I am not bothered by and can understand where the argument is coming from. Maybe I was too hard one of the other replies, because what someone finds acceptable is subjective. Even the name Adam isn't his name, it is just a comparison to the Adam of the Bible. He isn't speaking literally. I think that poster got that from the book where he goes around calling himself Adam. Haven't read it in awhile, though. I suppose "acceptable" is an extreme word. Like we need to round up anyone who calls him Frankenstein and shoot them.I just assumed that he called himself Adam at some point in the movie and just don't remember. I am the type of idiot who would call him Frankensetein at the threat of a gun just out of spite. I don't think it is acceptable to go around saying Jason Vorhees is the antagonist in Friday the 13th. That is the difference. That is something I will have to correct someone about or it will drive me nuts.
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Post by damngumby on Oct 31, 2021 13:27:50 GMT
More importantly these days - what is the acceptable pronoun when referring to the monster?
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Post by Vits on Oct 31, 2021 14:13:32 GMT
I mean... "Acceptable"? It's a mistake, but I wouldn't insult anyone for making it.
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Post by marianne48 on Oct 31, 2021 18:53:58 GMT
More importantly these days - what is the acceptable pronoun when referring to the monster? In this case, "they" is completely appropriate as the monster is made up of several different people.
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