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Post by Nora on Jan 6, 2022 21:35:09 GMT
also now I am in the middle of the show, so here is my recap of my loyalties> LoveTyrion Arya Jon Snow Sam Like a lot Ned Stark Rob Stark Brianna Bren Jorah those are my favorite ones. Neutral: Sansa - she needs to man up and DO SOMETHING. Jamie - I used to hate him but his subplot with saving Brianna of course moved him up a bit. Hound - hated him but like Jamie he is on a somewhat redeeming arc "Reek" - until he burned Winterfell I was really rooting for him, then I hated him, now I am willing to give him another chance after what he has been through. Dislike and dont respectDaenerys Stannis Cat Stark - she is the reasons it went tits up. Releasing Jamie behind Robs back was a big mistake. Dislike but respect/find intriguingVarys LittleFinger - he is awful but you gotta admire his ability to get what he wants Tiwin - horrible horrible father but seems to be a really skilled commander. HateGeofrey Cercei Red Lady Shay (liked her till she betrayed Tyrion) Jons Snows stupid wild wife Predictions: What I want: Arya to be the new king but thats unlikely so Tyrion to be the King, happily married to someone else but Sansa, or Sansa realizing he is the best thing that could ever happen to her and loving him genuinely and Lannisters and Starks becoming one house and Arya his head of kings-guard, Jon Snow head of rangers changing the way the Night Watch is run. Cercei dead, Jamie married to Brianna, and Daenerys back in whatever hole she cam from. With her dragons. She can rule there. Bren could be a good king too. What I am afraid will happen: Daenerys will sit on the Iron throne. Maybe with John Snow. God I hope not. Jon Snow deserves so much better than this powerhungy moany girl with a messiah complex. Bren will save the world with his magic powers. I told my husband that I am QUITTING watching the show the MINUTE my darling Tirion dies. Unless its the finale or up to 3 episodes to a finale. F this stupid shit if they kill the best character ever and my darling lion (I know this sounds weird me getting so passionate about a show that all of yous have seen five-10 years ago and went through all of it already, but for me its all brand new)
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jan 6, 2022 22:05:39 GMT
The trial was a farce. I was so outraged. We all know he did it. We saw it happen. Now he's got a chance to wiggle his way out of it again…
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Post by Nora on Jan 6, 2022 23:13:32 GMT
The trial was a farce. I was so outraged. We all know he did it. We saw it happen. Now he's got a chance to wiggle his way out of it again… oh I CANT WAIT to see all the memes once I am done watching. I bet a lot of them are really funny ...
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jan 7, 2022 10:42:59 GMT
Neutral: Sansa - she needs to man up and DO SOMETHING. Jamie - I used to hate him but his subplot with saving Brianna of course moved him up a bit. Hound - hated him but like Jamie he is on a somewhat redeeming arc "Reek" - until he burned Winterfell I was really rooting for him, then I hated him, now I am willing to give him another chance after what he has been through. Dislike and dont respectCat Stark - she is the reasons it went tits up. Releasing Jamie behind Robs back was a big mistake. HateJons Snows stupid wild wife There is not much Sansa could have done, really. Agreeing to marry Loras to end in a strong position in a powerful family was one of these things and she did. After that failed, plotting with Tyrion and Olenna to have Joffrey murdered wasn't bad either. It's just that Littlefinger derailed the plans a little. It seems he always does Jaime cares for his image. He saved Brienne because she is one who listened to his story but it also looks like Jaime never told it to anyone anyway. He is the kind who over-interprets people's words or even silences and turns them into a judgement. The Hound is just a realistic brute who's trying to get something. He only wanted to ransom Arya to her family. Cat' blundered around but she was not alone in this. The real reason Robb fell was Theon. When news arrived that Winterfell was taken and Robb's brothers were missing, Bolton knew Robb was the last head he had to cut to have it all. He started to move his own pieces immediately, sending his bastard to retake the place with Robb's blessing. Then Robb stupidly married against his own engagement and the Freys were lost as well. Tywin could buy their alliance by offering them things he didn't even own himself. Smart. Ygritte is unbearable. She abused him in that cave and no one cared.
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Post by Nora on Jan 9, 2022 2:58:30 GMT
nooo not Jon Snow (( my Jon. This show is trying to make their viewers jump out of the vindows or what? And such a horrible way to go .... argh like Ned he died such horrible death I am OUTRAGED. Were you outraged when you first saw it and Jon died?
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Post by Sarge on Jan 9, 2022 3:37:04 GMT
You're making me want to watch it again.
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Post by Nora on Jan 9, 2022 4:22:38 GMT
You're making me want to watch it again. and now I find out Arya is blind. this show is pissing me off I tell you. I am still sad over Jon Snow and they blind my Top favorite character. Aaargh. I have half the mind to give up watching the show… but I like Tyrion too much and want to see what becomes of him. Aargh. But I feel like they go overboard with killing all the likable character and in such horrific ways too. Season 1 was awesome. I would say unparalleled or equal to the best season of Breaking Bad. (which I deem the best show overall). Season 2+3 were good too but declining, too much time spent on STUPID Daenerys. Who gave me exactly zero reason to like her. She was born with superpowers. Thats all. She doesnt know when to show mercy and when to be strong. She chained her children. She sucks. And I am supposed to watch her for 2 more seasons and probably see her on the Iron Throne in the end? I wonder if most people rooted for her. I cant stand her. But not in the way one couldnt stand Skylar White in Breaking Bad, that was a really good character even though she was meant to be disliked I think. But Daenerys clearly is supposed to be the hero we are supposed to root for, especially since Jon Snow is dead. But she offers NOTHING other than her insane lust to conquer the word/return her dynasty to the throne and command armies. Thats not enough for me. And Tywin was more interesting to watch for that. Rant over. Sorry. I am still reeling from Jon Snow and Aryas misfortune…. Sucks to be a Stark I tell ya.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jan 9, 2022 5:04:39 GMT
I have half the mind to give up watching the show… but I like Tyrion too much and want to see what becomes of him. … Season 2+3 were good too but declining, too much time spent on STUPID Daenerys. Who gave me exactly zero reason to like her. She was born with superpowers. Thats all. … I wonder if most people rooted for her. I cant stand her. … But Daenerys clearly is supposed to be the hero we are supposed to root for, especially since Jon Snow is dead. But she offers NOTHING other than her insane lust to conquer the word/return her dynasty to the throne and command armies. Thats not enough for me. And Tywin was more interesting to watch for that. The end of Season 5 is the right time to jump off. Writing quality takes a nose dive and I couldn't finish S6 myself when it aired (I caught up later on, still hated most of it). Daenerys, as you say, is the super-powered hero written to thrill the stupid and it worked perfectly. A large part of the audience loves her for all the wrong reasons, basically for being a super-powered woman who will stick it to the men in charge, no matter how justified or desirable it is. Tywin ruled to keep the realm at peace and his family in power (after ending a rebellion others had started). Daenerys wants to start wars of conquest because she feels entitled to something and told Hizdahr his city "could return to the dirt for a good reason". She is Stalin with tits and dragons.
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Post by Sarge on Jan 9, 2022 5:04:50 GMT
You're making me want to watch it again. and now I find out Arya is blind. this show is pissing me off I tell you. I am still sad over Jon Snow and they blind my Top favorite character. Aaargh. I have half the mind to give up watching the show… but I like Tyrion too much and want to see what becomes of him. Aargh. But I feel like they go overboard with killing all the likable character and in such horrific ways too. Season 1 was awesome. I would say unparalleled or equal to the best season of Breaking Bad. (which I deem the best show overall). Season 2+3 were good too but declining, too much time spent on STUPID Daenerys. Who gave me exactly zero reason to like her. She was born with superpowers. Thats all. She doesnt know when to show mercy and when to be strong. She chained her children. She sucks. And I am supposed to watch her for 2 more seasons and probably see her on the Iron Throne in the end? I wonder if most people rooted for her. I cant stand her. But not in the way one couldnt stand Skylar White in Breaking Bad, that was a really good character even though she was meant to be disliked I think. But Daenerys clearly is supposed to be the hero we are supposed to root for, especially since Jon Snow is dead. But she offers NOTHING other than her insane lust to conquer the word/return her dynasty to the throne and command armies. Thats not enough for me. And Tywin was more interesting to watch for that. Rant over. Sorry. I am still reeling from Jon Snow and Aryas misfortune…. Sucks to be a Stark I tell ya. I'm with you, Daenerys was a spoiled brat with powers. I think that is what we are supposed to think but so many people latched onto her as a strong female character, when she wasn't meant to be.
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Post by Nora on Jan 10, 2022 2:03:24 GMT
Wow Jon Snow is back!!!
I am happy because I like him a lot but worried because it was the Red Woman who did it and who I think is of satanic presence..
You guys had to wait for a year right? This would kill me...
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jan 10, 2022 2:36:14 GMT
Wow Jon Snow is back!!! I am happy because I like him a lot but worried because it was the Red Woman who did it and who I think is of satanic presence.. You guys had to wait for a year right? This would kill me... 10 months of people debating Schrödinger's Crow, then it all became silly.
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Post by Nora on Jan 10, 2022 4:52:12 GMT
And Arya can see! Alright the show is good again
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Post by Marv on Jan 10, 2022 5:42:40 GMT
And Arya can see! Alright the show is good again Worth a footnote but this is about where the show runs out of book material. If you think waiting a year for the show to come back was bad...book readers have been left hanging with Jon Snows death since 2011.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jan 10, 2022 6:39:21 GMT
And Arya can see! Alright the show is good again Worth a footnote but this is about where the show runs out of book material. If you think waiting a year for the show to come back was bad...book readers have been left hanging with Jon Snows death since 2011. The show rode the dragon in S5E09. It was the first junk episode.
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Post by Nora on Jan 11, 2022 4:57:59 GMT
Worth a footnote but this is about where the show runs out of book material. If you think waiting a year for the show to come back was bad...book readers have been left hanging with Jon Snows death since 2011. The show rode the dragon in S5E09. It was the first junk episode. Wondering if I start to notice any decline. Further I mean. Hodors death made me very sad. Beautifuly done I admit, the time travel was a nice touch as was his loayality. But such a sad moment anyway. I will miss Hodor very much. It was so complex and clever the whole thing of how he started to say onmy Hodor that I presume thats from the books as well?
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jan 11, 2022 5:30:19 GMT
The show rode the dragon in S5E09. It was the first junk episode. Wondering if I start to notice any decline. Further I mean. Hodors death made me very sad. Beautifuly done I admit, the time travel was a nice touch as was his loayality. But such a sad moment anyway. I will miss Hodor very much. It was so complex and clever the whole thing of how he started to say onmy Hodor that I presume thats from the books as well? I started noticing a decline in logic in S5. The first obvious thing everybody complained about back then was Ellaria's motivation to avenge Oberyn. Of all Dornish people, she was the one who knew Oberyn had come looking for trouble and volunteered to fight the Mountain only so he could have him publicly accuse Tywin. She had been introduced as the more level-tempered one restraining him too so her stance made no sense. Then the coincidence of Jaime and the Sand Snakes running into each other to take Myrcella was contrived too. The writers were making unlikely things happen just because they needed to. This continued with Jorah's story: his decision to join the fighting games made no other sense than having him where the writers wanted him to be so he could help Daenerys escape. He knew nothing of the Sons of the Harpy or their plans, so he was only defying her by coming back. Davos locking himself up together with Jon's worthless corpse was of the same quality. Even Davos wanting Jon to be brought back made no sense. Why should he even care, let alone conceive of the possibility? The books have not reached the point of Hodor's reveal but it was one of three things the author told the showrunners had to happen. A 2nd of these things was the sacrifice of Shireen. The third happens further down the line.
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Post by Nora on Jan 11, 2022 14:51:20 GMT
Wondering if I start to notice any decline. Further I mean. Hodors death made me very sad. Beautifuly done I admit, the time travel was a nice touch as was his loayality. But such a sad moment anyway. I will miss Hodor very much. It was so complex and clever the whole thing of how he started to say onmy Hodor that I presume thats from the books as well? I started noticing a decline in logic in S5. The first obvious thing everybody complained about back then was Ellaria's motivation to avenge Oberyn. Of all Dornish people, she was the one who knew Oberyn had come looking for trouble and volunteered to fight the Mountain only so he could have him publicly accuse Tywin. She had been introduced as the more level-tempered one restraining him too so her stance made no sense. Then the coincidence of Jaime and the Sand Snakes running into each other to take Myrcella was contrived too. The writers were making unlikely things happen just because they needed to. This continued with Jorah's story: his decision to join the fighting games made no other sense than having him where the writers wanted him to be so he could help Daenerys escape. He knew nothing of the Sons of the Harpy or their plans, so he was only defying her by coming back. Davos locking himself up together with Jon's worthless corpse was of the same quality. Even Davos wanting Jon to be brought back made no sense. Why should he even care, let alone conceive of the possibility? The books have not reached the point of Hodor's reveal but it was one of three things the author told the showrunners had to happen. A 2nd of these things was the sacrifice of Shireen. The third happens further down the line. interesting! yes I agree re Oberyns gf, I was also thinking “well this time the lannisters didnt actually wrong him, he volunteered”. Same with Jorah, I kept asking my husband who has already seen it “why is he there, why did he do This exactly, was the winner to be awarded dinner with the queen or something?” I am glad the writer told them about the hodor thing and that it must happen. It was very touching and clever at the same time. Still have goosebumps.
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Post by Nora on Jan 12, 2022 4:04:37 GMT
so... Rickons death seemed pointless and the execution felt sloppy. Why wouldnt he at least Try to zig zag? He just bolted a perfectly straight line... The character was dome dirty overall I think, not enough space, zero development... Oh well. One more Stark down. But Littlefingers army coming in for the rescue at the very last momet Was a powerfull moment I give them that. I kept thinking, who could it be, who could swoop in at the last second. Forgot about LittelFinger.
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Post by Marv on Jan 12, 2022 4:21:08 GMT
so... Rickons death seemed pointless and the execution felt sloppy. Why wouldnt he at least Try to zig zag? He just bolted a perfectly straight line... The character was dome dirty overall I think, not enough space, zero development... Oh well. One more Stark down. But Littlefingers army coming in for the rescue at the very last momet Was a powerfull moment I give them that. I kept thinking, who could it be, who could swoop in at the last second. Forgot about LittelFinger. To be fair Rickon is a nothing of a character in the books as well so far. So the show portrayed his character accurately. Although at this point in the books his whereabouts are somewhat unknown. Last anyone heard he was with a wildling group of cannibals or something. That was the Tullys. Little fingers yes, but Jon Arryns more so. Sansa and Aryas cousin who was still suckling his moms teet at the age of about 10. Edit…I think his name is Robin Arryn actually. Jon was his father.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Jan 12, 2022 5:20:17 GMT
Starks are zigonly. All of them. Will they all be shot down?
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