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Post by thisguy4000 on May 11, 2022 17:08:25 GMT
The screening I went to had a bigger response to Mr. Fantastic than they did with Professor X. Part of that might’ve been because the marketing already revealed that Patrick Stewart would be in the movie.
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Post by Marv on May 11, 2022 18:11:40 GMT
The screening I went to had a bigger response to Mr. Fantastic than they did with Professor X. Part of that might’ve been because the marketing already revealed that Patrick Stewart would be in the movie. Same...most of the illuminati got a grumble, Prof X and Captain Carter got a little pop but Mr Fantastic got a big one.
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Post by Lux on May 11, 2022 23:40:59 GMT
Well, that Captain Marvel wasn’t Carol though, it was Monica Rambo, played by the same actress who played her in Captain Marvel. And Xavier was like the Spider-Man’s in NWH. We knew them already from other movies. Doing a one off fan casting might indeed be what this was, but if so I don’t really understand the point of it. That's my point though. If it can be an entirely different person in another universe, it definitely doesn't mean it has to be the same actor in every universe. And I don't understand the point of introducing an actor you intend on using in the future just to have him immediately killed off in humiliating fashion. Are audiences supposed to be excited the next time he shows up? "Oh hey, it's that dude who was killed in a matter of seconds the last time we saw him! He literally did nothing, watched his friend get killed, and got turned into ribbons until his head exploded." I'm not a FF fan, but if I was I would've hated the treatment he got in this movie. The whole thing felt like a gag to me, not something to be taken seriously. I read they tried to get Tom Cruise to play Iron Man in this universe but he was busy filming Mission Impossible movies. Everything in that universe was a wink to the audience, there doesn't seem to be anything substantial to it. I say this with kindness but you really need to get over this Fantastic Four hate there's really no difference between them and other superhero teams other than they are a family. That they wear the same costumes is what makes them different, their powers are pretty standard superhero superpowers and the names are pretty superhero related too I'm trying to understand the hate you have for them and nothing is working. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2022 0:38:48 GMT
Saw it again today and I still struggled to get on board with this version of Wanda. More than that, she really takes over the narrative and prevents this from being the Stephen Strange-centric movie it should’ve been. And I feel like there really is a great Dr Strange movie in here somewhere.
I was excited when they first announced she’d be in this movie, but now I kind of wish they had gone with one of Dr Strange’s villains instead.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 12, 2022 1:48:05 GMT
That's my point though. If it can be an entirely different person in another universe, it definitely doesn't mean it has to be the same actor in every universe. And I don't understand the point of introducing an actor you intend on using in the future just to have him immediately killed off in humiliating fashion. Are audiences supposed to be excited the next time he shows up? "Oh hey, it's that dude who was killed in a matter of seconds the last time we saw him! He literally did nothing, watched his friend get killed, and got turned into ribbons until his head exploded." I'm not a FF fan, but if I was I would've hated the treatment he got in this movie. The whole thing felt like a gag to me, not something to be taken seriously. I read they tried to get Tom Cruise to play Iron Man in this universe but he was busy filming Mission Impossible movies. Everything in that universe was a wink to the audience, there doesn't seem to be anything substantial to it. I say this with kindness but you really need to get over this Fantastic Four hate there's really no difference between them and other superhero teams other than they are a family. That they wear the same costumes is what makes them different, their powers are pretty standard superhero superpowers and the names are pretty superhero related too I'm trying to understand the hate you have for them and nothing is working. I didn't say anything about hating them in this post. I said I'd be annoyed with the scene if I was a fan.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 13, 2022 12:44:25 GMT
A complaint I heard from a podcaster:
"Why didn't they have magic handcuffs for Wanda like they had for Strange?"
I'm sure they did, but Strange was drugged and cuffed while he was out. Wanda came in guns blazing, kind of tough to throw a pair of cuffs on her when she's tearing up your greatest heroes.
My plot hole: Why doesn't Wanda just make her kids again? What's stopping her from creating a hex that doesn't require the brainwashing of a town? Create a localized hex where your children are real.
Why does she have to invade other universes, kill everyone and steal their children? How is that easier?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2022 16:53:37 GMT
A complaint I heard from a podcaster: "Why didn't they have magic handcuffs for Wanda like they had for Strange?" I'm sure they did, but Strange was drugged and cuffed while he was out. Wanda came in guns blazing, kind of tough to throw a pair of cuffs on her when she's tearing up your greatest heroes. My plot hole: Why doesn't Wanda just make her kids again? What's stopping her from creating a hex that doesn't require the brainwashing of a town? Create a localized hex where your children are real. Why does she have to invade other universes, kill everyone and steal their children? How is that easier? Also, if she’s so desperate to be a single mother, why not just go to a sperm bank?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2022 16:57:28 GMT
Actually this is another great example of the show hurting the movie. This would’ve worked so much better if they hadn’t previously established her ability to create the kids through magic.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 13, 2022 17:02:55 GMT
Actually this is another great example of the show hurting the movie. This would’ve worked so much better if they hadn’t previously established her ability to create the kids through magic. Yeah or they should've had Agatha use the Darkhold to make the kids on the show or something. There should be an established reason why she can't just make them again.
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Post by merh on May 13, 2022 18:15:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2022 18:30:01 GMT
Actually this is another great example of the show hurting the movie. This would’ve worked so much better if they hadn’t previously established her ability to create the kids through magic. Yeah or they should've had Agatha use the Darkhold to make the kids on the show or something. There should be an established reason why she can't just make them again. I think it’s one of the most glaring examples of inconsistency between MCU projects. Not just in terms of plot, but also in character. They clearly had no plan here. You’d think Feige would’ve made sure the show actually setup the movie, or that the movie could stand on its own. It’s just plain sloppy.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 13, 2022 19:06:59 GMT
It's a bit of a throwaway scene, but I love the flashback of the Illuminati dealing with their Dr. Strange. I'm almost sad they used it here because that could've been a powerful scene at the end of a darker, more dramatic movie. "I'm sorry." Hoping we get a legitimate take of the Inhumans someday.
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Post by Lux on May 13, 2022 22:11:55 GMT
It's a bit of a throwaway scene, but I love the flashback of the Illuminati dealing with their Dr. Strange. I'm almost sad they used it here because that could've been a powerful scene at the end of a darker, more dramatic movie. "I'm sorry." Hoping we get a legitimate take of the Inhumans someday. That scene was just gross on top of gross the Thanos cameo with him stabbed and the blatant tacky copy and paste scenery from Infinity War was so cringeworthy it hurt. Leave the spoofs and wacky screen placements in other movies to Deadpool. But credit where credit is due Blackbolt's voice is the loudest sound in cinema history. That they got right. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2022 22:32:13 GMT
It's a bit of a throwaway scene, but I love the flashback of the Illuminati dealing with their Dr. Strange. I'm almost sad they used it here because that could've been a powerful scene at the end of a darker, more dramatic movie. "I'm sorry." Hoping we get a legitimate take of the Inhumans someday. That scene was just gross on top of gross the Thanos cameo with him stabbed and the blatant tacky copy and paste scenery from Infinity War was so cringeworthy it hurt. Leave the spoofs and wacky screen placements in other movies to Deadpool. But credit where credit is due Blackbolt's voice is the loudest sound in cinema history. That they got right. That shit hurt my ears. (And the bad green screen hurt my eyes!  )
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Post by Skaathar on May 14, 2022 2:07:07 GMT
There's 3 flavors of Raimi in this movie. There's the Spiderman-Raimi, which I thought was pretty good in this movie although some tactics were a bit dated.
There's also the Drag me to hell Raimi, which I thought was great. Those horror elements gave this movie a much needed kick to make it better than the average MCU flick.
But then there's Evil Dead Raimi, and I didn't like that at all in an MCU film. It's dated and made the movie feel cheap.
In the end, a better movie than I expected. Just could have used a little less of the 90's zombie flick feel.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2022 2:55:41 GMT
There's 3 flavors of Raimi in this movie. There's the Spiderman-Raimi, which I thought was pretty good in this movie although some tactics were a bit dated. There's also the Drag me to hell Raimi, which I thought was great. Those horror elements gave this movie a much needed kick to make it better than the average MCU flick. But then there's Evil Dead Raimi, and I didn't like that at all in an MCU film. It's dated and made the movie feel cheap. In the end, a better movie than I expected. Just could have used a little less of the 90's zombie flick feel. More than anything i think it’s very similar to Spider-Man 3: a very fun movie full of great ideas and a hefty does of Raiminess, but ultimately dragged down with a mediocre screenplay packed full of too many ideas and some very obvious studio mandates.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on May 14, 2022 12:12:13 GMT
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Post by twothousandonemark on May 14, 2022 14:43:36 GMT
Yeah or they should've had Agatha use the Darkhold to make the kids on the show or something. There should be an established reason why she can't just make them again. I think it’s one of the most glaring examples of inconsistency between MCU projects. Not just in terms of plot, but also in character. They clearly had no plan here. You’d think Feige would’ve made sure the show actually setup the movie, or that the movie could stand on its own. It’s just plain sloppy. It's a win for the likes of me, who isn't watching their Disney+ stuff. I'll wiki spoil/recap, yet the MCU for me is feature length film. Period.
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Post by Marendil on May 14, 2022 16:26:08 GMT
B+High highs, alas some mediocre lows for me too... +- I really liked the horror aspects of it all. I'd always heard fans of the comics had been clambering for that for this MCU Dr. Strange, & for me, they didn't disappoint. Even if they were admittedly pulling their punches just enough to keep it PG-13. - The actual depictions of multiverse was also handled quite well, for my expectations. Fun, weird, silly, strange, brooding... & yet not too much of any. - Sorcerer vs Witch was cool throughout. Olson was pretty tremendous, carrying most of the weird stuff rather solidly. That stuff could've been goofy, it wasn't, she bought it & delivered. It's a shame Scarlet Witch wasn't at least co-headlining in the film's title. - All in all, I was quite entertained by most of its visuals & major plot points. I had set myself up putting it on a pedestal as if this would feel a major MCU tentpole chapter... it didn't feel quite that, & yet I'm still putting it top half MCU. I guess I was more expecting grand macro universe stakes than trying to reconcile Wanda stuff. Then again, the mid-credit tease maybe seems we're on that major path anyways. -- The 2nd 5th of the film if you will, I wasn't feeling it at all. That stretch of conventional stuff wasn't doing anything for me, not least this America Chavez girl's intro. She just felt like some Disney fangirl dropped into the MCU & I'm supposed to care? We're a long way from Tony Stark rolling up to AC/DC... a long, way. I did like her backstory though, her Spanish, 2 mothers, & not being some cocky hotshot was redeeming for me. She's a female Ned for me. There, I said it. She's the new Ned. Maybe those 2 will hook up. - The cameo stuff for what it was didn't feel all that special, considering we're talking about one of an infinite number of universes. Until Wolverine carves someone's face off in this universe with stakes at play, the gravitas wasn't quite there. Xavier was a pleasant treat though - they handled him with dignity & gave him something very cool to do. His matrix style moment with Wanda was boss, & I'm glad we have that, fan service or not. She had a great Evil Disney Queen vibe going for her and really pulled it off. Would've been nice to see her slow descent into madness (as opposed to being repentant at the end of her show and suddenly evil right out of the gate here), but there's only so much time to tell the story here. The Darkhold corrupts everyone, fair enough. But it's tough to see a character with such a compelling hero's journey turn to the dark side offscreen. That worked for me because in a sense we did see her decent into madness. We saw all the elements that could very well lead to a psychotic break, we just never put it together and figured she'd 'walk it off.' Stop and think of what we know of her life in the MCU. We know she grew up with a family that was killed and and spent those horrifying days waiting for the flashing Stark bomb to go off and finish her and her brother who was all she had left. Then we know she was subjected to murderous experiments by Baron Strucker that only she and her brother survived. Then she was orphaned again and found her way to Ultron who she worked with only until she realized her new patron wanted to extinguish all life on Earth--by dropping her poor devastated homeland on top of it. In defeating that threat she loses her brother and country but does find love and a team--which in short order she loses again after worldwide humiliation and being thrown in prison by half her team before becoming a fugitive. Then she's forced to kill her only love--a macabre fate for anyone but especially her--only to find that soul-crushing act was of no import whatsoever. Pretty much everyone else gets their loved ones back after the second snap, but not her....
We'd seen every step of how she could descend into madness--and then there was WandaVision where she pretty much did.
Frankly I was kinda rooting for her, I always liked the Witch better than Dr. Strange, though I find Cumberbatch's portrayal entertaining.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2022 17:30:48 GMT
I think it’s one of the most glaring examples of inconsistency between MCU projects. Not just in terms of plot, but also in character. They clearly had no plan here. You’d think Feige would’ve made sure the show actually setup the movie, or that the movie could stand on its own. It’s just plain sloppy. It's a win for the likes of me, who isn't watching their Disney+ stuff. I'll wiki spoil/recap, yet the MCU for me is feature length film. Period. The references to Westview and her magic kids didn’t feel awkward and/or confusing? I think the story actually would stand on its own if they didn’t force those lines in.
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