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Post by lowtacks86 on Jun 16, 2022 17:27:43 GMT
Or was she just "doing her job"? In the movie it's pretty much stated she was just following protocol, though it does look like she derived some pleasure from controlling and manipulating her patients.
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Post by kolchak92 on Jun 16, 2022 17:50:49 GMT
I don't know about "evil" in the sense of someone like Amon Goeth or Hannibal Lector, but I think she's certainly a mean-spirited and vindictive person who let her own arrogance get in the way of the mental health of the people she was supposedly caring for.
The fact that there's so much debate on this I think mostly stems from the fact that she's pretty calm and collected throughout the whole movie, never even raising her voice. If she'd been portrayed as some ranting maniac, the power of the film would be lost.
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 16, 2022 19:15:34 GMT
I wouldn't say evil, but she isn't a good person by any means.
She is doing her job in part, but she clearly likes the control she has over people and picks the worst ways to deal with the situations in the movie.
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Post by politicidal on Jun 16, 2022 19:40:15 GMT
I don't know about "evil" in the sense of someone like Amon Goeth or Hannibal Lector, but I think she's certainly a mean-spirited and vindictive person who let her own arrogance get in the way of the mental health of the people she was supposedly caring for. The fact that there's so much debate on this I think mostly stems from the fact that she's pretty calm and collected throughout the whole movie, never even raising her voice. If she'd been portrayed as some ranting maniac, the power of the film would be lost. This ^^^^
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Post by Captain Spencer on Jun 16, 2022 20:02:37 GMT
I'd say the three words that describe her best are mean, cold-hearted and cruel.
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Post by mgmarshall on Jun 16, 2022 20:32:53 GMT
She was authority, and all the abuses and indignities that can represent. So, as far as her personal motivations, I don't think it went anywhere beyond controlling those men and keeping them quiet. McMurphy threatened that, he had to go.
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Post by Penn Guinn on Jun 16, 2022 20:39:03 GMT
For me, she is the epitomy of evil. Cruel, vindictive, safe from retribution in her authority over others weaker than she is.
When this question first popped up ages ago, I assumed it was a joke because the answer is so obvious ...she is Evil Maximus !
Her ultimate act of curelty and pure evil is here:
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 16, 2022 23:28:44 GMT
At the very least, she’s very cold and enjoys having control over her patients. I hear she’s worse in the book.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jun 16, 2022 23:43:21 GMT
Did her job necessitate telling Billy's mom he got laid? She's obviously not very pleased with the result of that, so I wouldn't say she's evil, but she represents every person who's ever used their job or position to wave power over you and that's why she's one of the most hated characters ever. Not every day you meet someone like Emperor Palpatine, but there's a Nurse Ratched just down the street at the fast food joint or grocery store.
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Post by Penn Guinn on Jun 16, 2022 23:48:17 GMT
Did her job necessitate telling Billy's mom he got laid? She's obviously not very pleased with the result of that, so I wouldn't say she's evil, but she represents every person who's ever used their job or position to wave power over you and that's why she's one of the most hated characters ever. Not every day you meet someone like Emperor Palpatine, but there's a Nurse Ratched just down the street at the fast food joint or grocery store. SHE enjoyed the process of threatening Billy with telling his mom !
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 17, 2022 0:17:57 GMT
For me, she is the epitomy of evil. Cruel, vindictive, safe from retribution in her authority over others weaker than she is. When this question first popped up ages ago, I assumed it was a joke because the answer is so obvious ...she is Evil Maximus ! Her ultimate act of curelty and pure evil is here: The reason I wouldn't say she is evil is because she didn't realize what her action were going to cause Billy to do. If her intention was for him to commit suicide, then yes, I would say she is evil. There is a big difference between being a cruel person and being an evil person imo. I think that is where you are differing from the other people who are responding.
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Post by kolchak92 on Jun 17, 2022 0:26:52 GMT
For me, she is the epitomy of evil. Cruel, vindictive, safe from retribution in her authority over others weaker than she is. When this question first popped up ages ago, I assumed it was a joke because the answer is so obvious ...she is Evil Maximus ! Her ultimate act of curelty and pure evil is here: The reason I wouldn't say she is evil is because she didn't realize what her action were going to cause Billy to do. If her intention was for him to commit suicide, then yes, I would say she is evil. There is a big difference between being a cruel person and being an evil person imo. I think that is where you are differing from the other people who are responding. Yes, I agree. She was clearly furious at him and wanted to get a rise out of him by saying that, however I don't believe she said it with the intent that it would cause him to commit suicide, although I doubt she was too upset by it happening.
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 17, 2022 0:29:56 GMT
The reason I wouldn't say she is evil is because she didn't realize what her action were going to cause Billy to do. If her intention was for him to commit suicide, then yes, I would say she is evil. There is a big difference between being a cruel person and being an evil person imo. I think that is where you are differing from the other people who are responding. Yes, I agree. She was clearly furious at him and wanted to get a rise out of him by saying that, however I don't believe she said it with the intent that it would cause him to commit suicide, although I doubt she was too upset by it happening. I actually think she was upset, but to what extent I am not sure. I have always seen the very end of the movie as her learning from the incident she caused with Billy. Notice how she seems nicer when she is handing out the medication at the end. She had never actually experienced the consequences of her behavior until the final confrontation. Not only did she cause someone's death, but that almost resulted in her own death.
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 17, 2022 0:33:16 GMT
At the very least, she’s very cold and enjoys having control over her patients. I hear she’s worse in the book. The books always seem worse. I have heard that Annie Wilkes is worse in the Misery novel than in the movie as well. Annie Wilkes is evil, though how sane she is is up for debate.
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Post by jonesjxd on Jun 17, 2022 0:35:44 GMT
I think the correct term for her is authoritarian, and it's up to you if you consider authoritarianism to be evil or pragmatic. I fall on the side of anti-Authoritarian, but I'm also not the type of person that needs nor wants supervision. I know some people that absolutely need their every movement dictated.
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 17, 2022 0:38:52 GMT
I think the correct term for her is authoritarian, and it's up to you if you consider authoritarianism to be evil or pragmatic. I fall on the side of anti-Authoritarian, but I'm also not the type of person that needs nor wants supervision. I know some people that absolutely need their every movement dictated. I think every person needs some kind of supervision. At least within a society. Whether they want it or not is a different matter. Some people do want it and some people don't. There needs to be a balance and I think most countries have a balance. Places like North Korea, the Middle East and China is where the balance is out of whack. If you live alone off the grid or something, then you probably don't require any supervision.
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Post by Penn Guinn on Jun 17, 2022 2:18:33 GMT
For me, she is the epitomy of evil. Cruel, vindictive, safe from retribution in her authority over others weaker than she is. When this question first popped up ages ago, I assumed it was a joke because the answer is so obvious ...she is Evil Maximus ! Her ultimate act of cruelty and pure evil is here: The reason I wouldn't say she is evil is because she didn't realize what her action were going to cause Billy to do. If her intention was for him to commit suicide, then yes, I would say she is evil. There is a big difference between being a cruel person and being an evil person imo. I think that is where you are differing from the other people who are responding. she didn't intend for him to commit suicide* but she did want to hurt and control him via his fear of his mother .. she enjoyed doing her spiteful "little " control things like the baseball game on the TV ... to me one has to be evil to be that cruel . *if he killed himself she would have one victim to play cat and mouse with... he was especially vulnerable because of the connection between Rached and his mother.
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 17, 2022 2:47:16 GMT
The reason I wouldn't say she is evil is because she didn't realize what her action were going to cause Billy to do. If her intention was for him to commit suicide, then yes, I would say she is evil. There is a big difference between being a cruel person and being an evil person imo. I think that is where you are differing from the other people who are responding. she didn't intend for him to commit suicide* but she did want to hurt and control him via his fear of his mother .. she enjoyed doing her spiteful "little " control things like the baseball game on the TV ... to me one has to be evil to be that cruel . *if he killed himself she would have one victim to play cat and mouse with... he was especially vulnerable because of the connection between Rached and his mother. It is what I suspected. A disagreement about the term evil. That is a word a save for very extreme immoral acts. Nurse Ratchet is no doubt a bad person, but she doesn't fit my definition of evil. Hitler, Ted Bundy, etc.
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Post by Penn Guinn on Jun 17, 2022 2:50:12 GMT
she didn't intend for him to commit suicide* but she did want to hurt and control him via his fear of his mother .. she enjoyed doing her spiteful "little " control things like the baseball game on the TV ... to me one has to be evil to be that cruel . *if he killed himself she would have one victim to play cat and mouse with... he was especially vulnerable because of the connection between Rached and his mother. It is what I suspected. A disagreement about the term evil. That is a word a save for very extreme immoral acts. Tormenting patients under your control in a mental institution and obviously enjoying the act of tormenting seems to me to fit the description of "immoral act" .. but maybe that's just me !
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Post by moviemouth on Jun 17, 2022 2:54:58 GMT
It is what I suspected. A disagreement about the term evil. That is a word a save for very extreme immoral acts. Tormenting patients under your control in a mental institution and obviously enjoying the act of tormenting seems to me to fit the description of "immoral act" .. but maybe that's just me ! You missed 2 very important words. Do you draw a line between a bad person and an evil person? Both are immoral, one is much worse than the other. Did you purposely keep the words very and extreme out of your reply back to me? Seems sort of, I don't know, dishonest. Acting like I didn't say that what she does in the movie is immoral, when that is nowhere near what I said.
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