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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2022 2:23:02 GMT
Infinity Cones was kind of a cute gag. I smiled at that one.
I also liked the whole idea of Asgard being a major tourist destination.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jul 15, 2022 5:10:40 GMT
One angle why the humour was a bit much for most... Ragnarok came out of no expectations, after the first 2 Thor movies. Its humour was a release of sorts.
Like I mentioned in my review, Love & Thunder felt like a live action Lego Movie, for better or worse.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 15, 2022 5:33:17 GMT
One angle why the humour was a bit much for most... Ragnarok came out of no expectations, after the first 2 Thor movies. Its humour was a release of sorts. Like I mentioned in my review, Love & Thunder felt like a live action Lego Movie, for better or worse. Well Ragnarok was funny but it wasn’t irreverent. At least outside of one or two scenes. Yeah there were jokes, a lot of them, but you could still take the movie seriously. L&T, as has been commonly mentioned, feels like a spoof. Like it was making fun of the movie itself and its characters. That's the big difference.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 18, 2022 15:40:53 GMT
This was not a good movie. It was like a spoof of a spoof of itself. Every joke was stretched beyond its breaking point, if it was even funny to begin with. All over the place tonally, Bale was in a completely different film. It was borderline incoherent. The entire city of the gods sequence made no sense at all and featured some kind of emoji or something as a character. What the actual fuck. They 'killed' Zeus and just walk away. Zeus, who is also played like a clown (just like Thor), whom Thor apparently admired more than his own father. We've gone from fat slob loser Thor to single dad with a little girl sidekick Thor. Credits read, 'Thor will return.' At this point, I don't think I care if he does. This is the sixth movie in phase four and I can't say I'm dying to see any of them again anytime soon. Between this and the continued downward spiral of the Disney+ shows, I'm seriously concerned for the future of the MCU. I think I'm pretty much done with the MCU for now. I tried to hold on to hope throughout phase 4 but the one-two punch of Ms. Marvel and Thor L&T has finally done me in. I'll still watch their future movies but I'll probably just wait for them on D+. No more opening weekend excitement for me. Right now I'm regretting wasting a date night with my wife watching this instead of seeing Top Gun instead. Btw, how goes your ranking of the phase 4 movies? I don't know if I can even rank them. None of them are very good. I actually enjoyed Eternals more than most people did, if only because it was something completely different. But Black Widow and Shang-Chi were stale and forgettable, No Way Home was a nostalgiafest for movies I didn't like the first time around, and MoM didn't come close to fulfilling its potential. Still, I didn't actively dislike any of those movies the way I do Love & Thunder. It's just a bad movie, Taika is completely off the rails here. I'm worried they gave Gunn the same gonzo creative freedom and now GOTG 3 will be a shit show as well.
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Post by Marv on Jul 18, 2022 16:12:32 GMT
Saw it last night and loved it. Thor, Jane and Gorr all had well developed arcs and stories here. The visuals were fantastic, comedy and action on point and dramatic beats hit proper when needed (which is something Ragnarok didn't do). It was a blast.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 18, 2022 17:13:49 GMT
Saw it last night and loved it. Thor, Jane and Gorr all had well developed arcs and stories here. The visuals were fantastic, comedy and action on point and dramatic beats hit proper when needed (which is something Ragnarok didn't do). It was a blast. Are you sure about this? Ragnarok had multiple dramatic scenes that weren't ruined by ill-timed jokes. Odin's death, Hela taking out Thor's eye, Loki and Thor arguing about Odin's death, even something as simple as Hulk raging after Thor because he wanted his friend to stay. In comparison, T&L had scenes like Valkyrie tickling Thor's nose as Thor is trying to calm down a bunch of children held captive in the shadow realm. That's way worse than Korg joking about Asgard's destruction in Ragnarok. Jane's death hit home, but I think that was the only dramatic scene in T&L that had any gravity to it.
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Post by Marv on Jul 18, 2022 18:42:26 GMT
Saw it last night and loved it. Thor, Jane and Gorr all had well developed arcs and stories here. The visuals were fantastic, comedy and action on point and dramatic beats hit proper when needed (which is something Ragnarok didn't do). It was a blast. Are you sure about this? Ragnarok had multiple dramatic scenes that weren't ruined by ill-timed jokes. Odin's death, Hela taking out Thor's eye, Loki and Thor arguing about Odin's death, even something as simple as Hulk raging after Thor because he wanted his friend to stay. In comparison, T&L had scenes like Valkyrie tickling Thor's nose as Thor is trying to calm down a bunch of children held captive in the shadow realm. That's way worse than Korg joking about Asgard's destruction in Ragnarok. Jane's death hit home, but I think that was the only dramatic scene in T&L that had any gravity to it. Thor giving the kids a sitrep doesn't even compare to the emotional weight of Asgards destruction. The Asgard joke in Ragnarok completely undercut one of the biggest emotional moments of the film. I don't remember that happening to anything surrounding Gorr or Jane, who's stories here were both filled with tragedy and serious moments.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 18, 2022 18:44:25 GMT
Are you sure about this? Ragnarok had multiple dramatic scenes that weren't ruined by ill-timed jokes. Odin's death, Hela taking out Thor's eye, Loki and Thor arguing about Odin's death, even something as simple as Hulk raging after Thor because he wanted his friend to stay. In comparison, T&L had scenes like Valkyrie tickling Thor's nose as Thor is trying to calm down a bunch of children held captive in the shadow realm. That's way worse than Korg joking about Asgard's destruction in Ragnarok. Jane's death hit home, but I think that was the only dramatic scene in T&L that had any gravity to it. Thor giving the kids a sitrep doesn't even compare to the emotional weight of Asgards destruction. The Asgard joke in Ragnarok completely undercut one of the biggest emotional moments of the film. I don't remember that happening to anything surrounding Gorr or Jane, who's stories here were both filled with tragedy and serious moments. Korg's joke came AFTER Asgard was destroyed, not during. Unlike Valkyrie tickling Thor's nose WHILE he was trying to calm down children who were in an extremely horrible situation. And even then, what other dramatic moments in Ragnarok were undercut with jokes? That movie had a lot of jokes but they at least allowed dramatic scenes to play out without putting punchlines all over the place.
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Post by Marv on Jul 18, 2022 18:57:17 GMT
Thor giving the kids a sitrep doesn't even compare to the emotional weight of Asgards destruction. The Asgard joke in Ragnarok completely undercut one of the biggest emotional moments of the film. I don't remember that happening to anything surrounding Gorr or Jane, who's stories here were both filled with tragedy and serious moments. Korg's joke came AFTER Asgard was destroyed, not during. Unlike Valkyrie tickling Thor's nose WHILE he was trying to calm down children who were in an extremely horrible situation. And even then, what other dramatic moments in Ragnarok were undercut with jokes? That movie had a lot of jokes but they at least allowed dramatic scenes to play out without putting punchlines all over the place. I didn't feel anything was undercut in Thor 4. The scene you keep mentioning was a nothing moment of Thor relaying intel to children. The scene Im mentioning was the destruction of Asgard whereing right before it's undeniably destroyed Korg makes a joke about the foundations. I thought the latter was much more of an undercut of emotion at the time. None of the major moments in Thor 4 were undercut by jokes. The movie itself is full of jokes, but I don't remember anything ruining the vibe when it got emotional. But to each their own. A lot of people don't enjoy the humor in Watitis style. I loved it for the most part.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 18, 2022 23:46:12 GMT
Korg's joke came AFTER Asgard was destroyed, not during. Unlike Valkyrie tickling Thor's nose WHILE he was trying to calm down children who were in an extremely horrible situation. And even then, what other dramatic moments in Ragnarok were undercut with jokes? That movie had a lot of jokes but they at least allowed dramatic scenes to play out without putting punchlines all over the place. I didn't feel anything was undercut in Thor 4. The scene you keep mentioning was a nothing moment of Thor relaying intel to children. The scene Im mentioning was the destruction of Asgard whereing right before it's undeniably destroyed Korg makes a joke about the foundations. I thought the latter was much more of an undercut of emotion at the time. None of the major moments in Thor 4 were undercut by jokes. The movie itself is full of jokes, but I don't remember anything ruining the vibe when it got emotional. But to each their own. A lot of people don't enjoy the humor in Watitis style. I loved it for the most part. I felt like there were so many jokes there was no tension to undercut. JokeJokeJokeJokeJokeJokeJokeJokeJokeJoke "Jane is dying." JokeJokeJokeJokeJokeJokeJokeJoke "The children have been kidnapped. JokeJokeJokeJokeJokeJokeJokeJokeJokeJoke Roll credits. The villagers lost their children to disgusting creatures, cut to a scene of Jane confronting her impending death, cut to a scene of Valkyrie pumping some hiphop through a portable speaker as they both bob their heads. Just bizarre. It's out of character for both of them and out of place in that scene. The entire movie is like that, just a bunch of bad SNL sketch ideas thrown into a superhero story. I loved Ragnarok despite its offbeat nature, but I understood why it turned some people off. Love and Thunder cranks all of that goofiness to eleven and never lets up. Gorr was in a completely different movie, it was so strange. There is no straight man for the goofballs to bounce off of, every single character is a clown. The Korg joke at the end of Ragnarok seemed beside the point to me. They had already lost their homeland and barely escaped extinction; simply getting away was a win. A moron making an off color joke could be excused. But the Queen (excuse me, King [?]) making jokes with Jane immediately after all of the children in her kingdom were kidnapped by a monster? If none of the characters can take anything seriously, how am I supposed to feel like anything is at stake? Like you said, to each their own, but I had a really tough time with how this one turned out.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 18, 2022 23:59:11 GMT
I didn't feel anything was undercut in Thor 4. The scene you keep mentioning was a nothing moment of Thor relaying intel to children. The scene Im mentioning was the destruction of Asgard whereing right before it's undeniably destroyed Korg makes a joke about the foundations. I thought the latter was much more of an undercut of emotion at the time. None of the major moments in Thor 4 were undercut by jokes. The movie itself is full of jokes, but I don't remember anything ruining the vibe when it got emotional. But to each their own. A lot of people don't enjoy the humor in Watitis style. I loved it for the most part. I felt like there were so many jokes there was no tension to undercut. JokeJokeJokeJokeJokeJokeJokeJokeJokeJoke "Jane is dying." JokeJokeJokeJokeJokeJokeJokeJoke "The children have been kidnapped. JokeJokeJokeJokeJokeJokeJokeJokeJokeJoke Roll credits. The villagers lost their children to disgusting creatures, cut to a scene of Jane confronting her impending death, cut to a scene of Valkyrie pumping some hiphop through a portable speaker as they both bob their heads. Just bizarre. It's out of character for both of them and out of place in that scene. The entire movie is like that, just a bunch of bad SNL sketch ideas thrown into a superhero story. I loved Ragnarok despite its offbeat nature, but I understood why it turned some people off. Love and Thunder cranks all of that goofiness to eleven and never lets up. Gorr was in a completely different movie, it was so strange. There is no straight man for the goofballs to bounce off of, every single character is a clown. The Korg joke at the end of Ragnarok seemed beside the point to me. They had already lost their homeland and barely escaped extinction; simply getting away was a win. A moron making an off color joke could be excused. But the Queen (excuse me, King [?]) making jokes with Jane immediately after all of the children in her kingdom were kidnapped by a monster? If none of the characters can take anything seriously, how am I supposed to feel like anything is at stake? Like you said, to each their own, but I had a really tough time with how this one turned out. I think this highlights a good bit of the difference in humor between Ragnarok and L&T. Ragnarok is one of my favorite MCU movies and I enjoyed quite a lot of its humor, but there were a few red flags in there, like how Thor screamed like a little girl. It just didn't make sense that a 1500 year old hardened warrior god would beg and scream like a little girl just because his hair was about to get cut off. It was completely out of character. In comparison, Korg's joke about Asgard's foundations might have been ill-timed but it wasn't out of character for Korg to make a joke like that, and that's why it was something I could easily dismiss. The problem with L&T is that majority of the humor is completely out of character. Whatever red flags Ragnarok had was dialed up to 11. Heck, the jokes weren't just out-of-character, they even felt out-of-movie, as in so self-aware and meta that it could have belonged in a Deadpool movie. That out-of-character humor combined with the frequency of the jokes made this movie very frustrating to watch. It's like there was a good movie in there somewhere, if only that noisy kid making jokes in the backseat would shut up for 5 minutes to let you enjoy the movie.
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Post by SuperDevilDoctor on Jul 20, 2022 0:11:33 GMT
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Post by scabab on Jul 20, 2022 18:33:09 GMT
Finally saw it today. I liked it but yeah it wasn't as good as the last one. Everyone has pretty much said it already but there were too many jokes. They could have done with removing say a third of the jokes especially during some of the more serious moments.
Christian Bale gave a great performance, he could have been a top MCU villain if only he had more to work with.
It was good visually, it was good to see the other Gods, to see Jane and Sif again. The action was largely pretty good but I didn't care for the Kid Thors bit. Some of the humour was good, I liked the jealous Stormbreaker but then the goats were overdone. So the humour was a bit here and there but yeah I could have done with less of it.
I was concerned that Thor was gonna get some Homer Simpsons treatment and he'd be nerfed to make Jane and Valkryie look better but that didn't happen thankfully.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 20, 2022 19:38:46 GMT
This guy says something quite profound, that L&T is basically a $250 million dollar vanity project for Taika and Hemsworth. That's exactly how it feels like.
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Post by Marv on Jul 21, 2022 1:42:38 GMT
This guy says something quite profound, that L&T is basically a $250 million dollar vanity project for Taika and Hemsworth. That's exactly how it feels like. “Vanity project” is quickly becoming one of these phrases that makes me immediately roll my eyes.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jul 21, 2022 2:13:31 GMT
This guy says something quite profound, that L&T is basically a $250 million dollar vanity project for Taika and Hemsworth. That's exactly how it feels like. “Vanity project” is quickly becoming one of these phrases that makes me immediately roll my eyes.
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Post by Spike Del Rey on Jul 21, 2022 21:08:15 GMT
Maybe someone here has a theory on this. When last we saw Thor, he was in possession of Mjolinar from 2013 as well as Stormbreaker. So where was that Mjolinar now? I doubt he'd have left it with Steve when he joined the Guardians, so why wouldn't he have had it still?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2022 21:10:05 GMT
Maybe someone here has a theory on this. When last we saw Thor, he was in possession of Mjolinar from 2013 as well as Stormbreaker. So where was that Mjolinar now? I doubt he'd have left it with Steve when he joined the Guardians, so why wouldn't he have had it still? No. Cap returned it to the original timeline along with the stones.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jul 21, 2022 21:10:37 GMT
Maybe someone here has a theory on this. When last we saw Thor, he was in possession of Mjolinar from 2013 as well as Stormbreaker. So where was that Mjolinar now? I doubt he'd have left it with Steve when he joined the Guardians, so why wouldn't he have had it still? No. Cap returned it to the original timeline along with the stones. OH!
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Post by Spike Del Rey on Jul 21, 2022 21:11:04 GMT
Maybe someone here has a theory on this. When last we saw Thor, he was in possession of Mjolinar from 2013 as well as Stormbreaker. So where was that Mjolinar now? I doubt he'd have left it with Steve when he joined the Guardians, so why wouldn't he have had it still? No. Cap returned it to the original timeline along with the stones. Yeah that makes sense. Thor was still going to need it back then as well.
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