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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 17:27:04 GMT
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Post by politicidal on Nov 26, 2022 17:39:52 GMT
Not that he didn't screw up other stuff, but could that had been a deciding factor in his dismissal?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 18:27:49 GMT
Not that he didn't screw up other stuff, but could that had been a deciding factor in his dismissal? Sounds like straight up fraud. Should’ve canned him earlier. It’s pretty amazing though- streeeeaming is supposedly the future, and yet all of these “services” are in massive debt. D+ is 8 billion in debt! I mean, holy shit!
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Post by politicidal on Nov 26, 2022 21:11:27 GMT
Not that he didn't screw up other stuff, but could that had been a deciding factor in his dismissal? Sounds like straight up fraud. Should’ve canned him earlier. It’s pretty amazing though- streeeeaming is supposedly the future, and yet all of these “services” are in massive debt. D+ is 8 billion in debt! I mean, holy shit! Yeah, plus Netflix has its own problems. Wonder if the bubble is about to burst?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 22:01:42 GMT
Sounds like straight up fraud. Should’ve canned him earlier. It’s pretty amazing though- streeeeaming is supposedly the future, and yet all of these “services” are in massive debt. D+ is 8 billion in debt! I mean, holy shit! Yeah, plus Netflix has its own problems. Wonder if the bubble is about to burst? Maybe regular old television with commercials had the right idea after all!
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Post by James on Nov 26, 2022 22:36:28 GMT
That is very alarming. No wonder Chapek was fired.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 26, 2022 22:37:00 GMT
I think Disney went a little too crazy spending on Disney+
The amount of projects they greenlit was insane and the quality was mixed at best.
It Kinda reminds me a little of Telltale Games and how they spent way too much money on acquiring various licensed IP, only to end up closing down.
I wonder if we'll see something similar happen to Disney+?
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Post by Power Ranger on Nov 27, 2022 4:33:16 GMT
Not that he didn't screw up other stuff, but could that had been a deciding factor in his dismissal? Sounds like straight up fraud. Should’ve canned him earlier. It’s pretty amazing though- streeeeaming is supposedly the future, and yet all of these “services” are in massive debt. D+ is 8 billion in debt! I mean, holy shit! It’s their own fault for producing nothing but garbage. Plus any streaming service that doesn’t have a large library of classics is going to struggle. There is a wealth of proven material out there. Best to harness it. The most streamed show on Disney+ in 2021 was The Simpsons believe it or not. It wasn’t any of the Star Wars or Marvel shit.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2022 19:47:08 GMT
I think Disney went a little too crazy spending on Disney+ The amount of projects they greenlit was insane and the quality was mixed at best. It Kinda reminds me a little of Telltale Games and how they spent way too much money on acquiring various licensed IP, only to end up closing down. I wonder if we'll see something similar happen to Disney+? I’m not quite sure how these platforms end up in such massive debt. Does it really that cost that much to make these shows? The effects honestly don’t look all that much better than basic cable shows.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2022 19:49:12 GMT
Sounds like straight up fraud. Should’ve canned him earlier. It’s pretty amazing though- streeeeaming is supposedly the future, and yet all of these “services” are in massive debt. D+ is 8 billion in debt! I mean, holy shit! It’s their own fault for producing nothing but garbage. Plus any streaming service that doesn’t have a large library of classics is going to struggle. There is a wealth of proven material out there. Best to harness it. The most streamed show on Disney+ in 2021 was The Simpsons believe it or not. It wasn’t any of the Star Wars or Marvel shit. I can believe that. The only reason I ever feel tempted to sub again is for the classic Simpsons episodes. The old DVDs are really poor masters and unfortunately look like crap and I doubt they’ll ever see a blu ray release. I’ll certainly never give DisneyPlus another dime for their Star Wars and Marvel stuff. It’s all garbage.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 27, 2022 20:08:49 GMT
I think Disney went a little too crazy spending on Disney+ The amount of projects they greenlit was insane and the quality was mixed at best. It Kinda reminds me a little of Telltale Games and how they spent way too much money on acquiring various licensed IP, only to end up closing down. I wonder if we'll see something similar happen to Disney+? I’m not quite sure how these platforms end up in such massive debt. Does it really that cost that much to make these shows? The effects honestly don’t look all that much better than basic cable shows. Disney reportedly spent billions on Disney+ original content. It also didn't helped that movies and shows that weren't originally made for the service got dumped on Disney+, giving them little to no chance of making any kind of income. There is also the big elephant in the room, which is the fact that Disney decided not to release any exclusive movies or shows on DVD and Blue-Ray. Which could have been another way for them to profit off of Disney+ Hopefully Iger makes some much needed changes going forward. There's nothing entirely wrong with giving your company it's own streaming platform, but they could have handled it better. Especially spending wise.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2022 20:13:00 GMT
I’m not quite sure how these platforms end up in such massive debt. Does it really that cost that much to make these shows? The effects honestly don’t look all that much better than basic cable shows. Disney reportedly spent billions on Disney+ original content. It also didn't helped that movies and shows that weren't originally made for the service got dumped on Disney+, giving them little to no chance of making any kind of income. There is also the big elephant in the room, which is the fact that Disney decided not to release any exclusive movies or shows on DVD and Blue-Ray. Which could have been another way for them to profit off of Disney+ Hopefully Iger makes some much needed changes going forward. There's nothing entirely wrong with giving your company it's own streaming platform, but they could have handled it better. Especially spending wise. It would be nice if streeaming shows got physical disc releases. I hate the “pay forever if you want to see it again” model. And yeah I forgot about those Pixar releases. I still can’t believe they were straight to streeaming. They must’ve taken some big financial hits there
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 27, 2022 20:24:51 GMT
Wish they would have gone the HBO route with those shows. Air them on whatever cable platform they own and then drop the episode on disney+ the next day.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2022 23:42:15 GMT
Apparently they’re now “restructuring” their plans in accordance to feedback. Hopefully this means less shows in future phases.
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Post by darkpast on Dec 4, 2022 7:18:18 GMT
Apparently they’re now “restructuring” their plans in accordance to feedback. Hopefully this means less shows in future phases. hopefully a yearly Captain Marvel flick
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Post by Cat on Dec 4, 2022 17:34:36 GMT
Maybe people are going back outside. Now that people aren't on lock down anymore, all the streaming services are probably taking a hit. The conditions through which their popularity boomed are disappearing. In fact, I'll wager they're all sad or freaking out because they got spoiled and figured lock down numbers were normal numbers. It's what they get for taking a snapshot of a once in a lifetime surge and expecting it to be that way all the time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2022 18:36:57 GMT
Maybe people are going back outside. Now that people aren't on lock down anymore, all the streaming services are probably taking a hit. The conditions through which their popularity boomed are disappearing. In fact, I'll wager they're all sad or freaking out because they got spoiled and figured lock down numbers were normal numbers. It's what they get for taking a snapshot of a once in a lifetime surge and expecting it to be that way all the time. That’s definitely part of it too. I think, generally speaking, even without the pandemic people over-estimate the desire everyone has to just sit at home. You still see a lot of people talk about home entertainment like it’s something new. VHS and DVD have been around for decades. People used to go to movies simply to get out and have something to do. It wasn’t like “Oh if only we could stay at home instead to watch this.” The leaving home part was and still is a part of the desired experience.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 4, 2022 20:50:45 GMT
Maybe people are going back outside. Now that people aren't on lock down anymore, all the streaming services are probably taking a hit. The conditions through which their popularity boomed are disappearing. In fact, I'll wager they're all sad or freaking out because they got spoiled and figured lock down numbers were normal numbers. It's what they get for taking a snapshot of a once in a lifetime surge and expecting it to be that way all the time. That’s definitely part of it too. I think, generally speaking, even without the pandemic people over-estimate the desire everyone has to just sit at home. You still see a lot of people talk about home entertainment like it’s something new. VHS and DVD have been around for decades. People used to go to movies simply to get out and have something to do. It wasn’t like “Oh if only we could stay at home instead to watch this.” The leaving home part was and still is a part of the desired experience. I don't know. If that were true, theaters wouldn't be tanking the way they are. The problem isn't that nobody wants to watch at home, it's that no one studio has the power to pull in the subscription revenue to cover their outrageous spending. From the viewers' perspective, cable fees are exorbitant, but that method seems less archaic by the day. Premium channels showing films from across the spectrum of Hollywood, instead of viewers paying a separate fee for each megacorporation's content. The studios are surprised by streaming's current format's lack of appeal? The streamers are in debt because they bought up all of this IP and spent a shit ton of money in production of new content to entice people to pay for their service. But as it turns out, no one streamer is going to pull away from the pack because there are too many home entertainment options, including alternative methods of getting whatever it is the streamer thought of as 'exclusive' to their service. They aren't failing because nobody cares, they're failing because they're all spread too thin, and it's impossible to get the desired return on investment with this much competition for viewership. They think they have to produce new content at the same rate in which its consumed by their customers, which is literally impossible to do. Stop burning through cash at an exponential rate. Get ahold of your IP and figure out what people are willing to pay for instead of just pumping out trash for the sake of it. Better yet, figure out a package similar to cable that bundles all of the streamers at a reasonable price. I understand wanting to control your own IP, but like I said, no single studio's output is ever going to be worth paying extra for. Not even Marvel/Disney, not when the best stuff is also available in the form of physical media. A new series here or there is fine, but high VFX cost project after high VFX cost project is a recipe for disaster on a streaming service. Shit, even if your subscription was $30 a month, that's still less than it costs for four people to see a movie in the theater one time! Now your entire family or group can watch the movie (and these shows now have the budgets of films!!) a million times a month for $8, $10, $15, whatever the plan is. Surely Disney has an actuary they can ask to do the math for them! No ad revenue (how television makes a profit), no individual admission fees-- and repeat viewings equating to more ticket sales (how movie studios make a profit in theaters), where did they think the money would come from? It's incredible how short sighted this all was, just like the crypto fiasco. We truly live in an age of out of control speculation.
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Post by Cat on Dec 4, 2022 22:00:56 GMT
That’s definitely part of it too. I think, generally speaking, even without the pandemic people over-estimate the desire everyone has to just sit at home. You still see a lot of people talk about home entertainment like it’s something new. VHS and DVD have been around for decades. People used to go to movies simply to get out and have something to do. It wasn’t like “Oh if only we could stay at home instead to watch this.” The leaving home part was and still is a part of the desired experience.I don't know. If that were true, theaters wouldn't be tanking the way they are. The problem isn't that nobody wants to watch at home, it's that no one studio has the power to pull in the subscription revenue to cover their outrageous spending. From the viewers' perspective, cable fees are exorbitant, but that method seems less archaic by the day. Premium channels showing films from across the spectrum of Hollywood, instead of viewers paying a separate fee for each megacorporation's content. The studios are surprised by streaming's current format's lack of appeal? The streamers are in debt because they bought up all of this IP and spent a shit ton of money in production of new content to entice people to pay for their service. But as it turns out, no one streamer is going to pull away from the pack because there are too many home entertainment options, including alternative methods of getting whatever it is the streamer thought of as 'exclusive' to their service. They aren't failing because nobody cares, they're failing because they're all spread too thin, and it's impossible to get the desired return on investment with this much competition for viewership. They think they have to produce new content at the same rate in which its consumed by their customers, which is literally impossible to do. Stop burning through cash at an exponential rate. Get ahold of your IP and figure out what people are willing to pay for instead of just pumping out trash for the sake of it. Better yet, figure out a package similar to cable that bundles all of the streamers at a reasonable price. I understand wanting to control your own IP, but like I said, no single studio's output is ever going to be worth paying extra for. Not even Marvel/Disney, not when the best stuff is also available in the form of physical media. A new series here or there is fine, but high VFX cost project after high VFX cost project is a recipe for disaster on a streaming service. Shit, even if your subscription was $30 a month, that's still less than it costs for four people to see a movie in the theater one time! Now your entire family or group can watch the movie (and these shows now have the budgets of films!!) a million times a month for $8, $10, $15, whatever the plan is. Surely Disney has an actuary they can ask to do the math for them! No ad revenue (how television makes a profit), no individual admission fees-- and repeat viewings equating to more ticket sales (how movie studios make a profit in theaters), where did they think the money would come from? It's incredible how short sighted this all was, just like the crypto fiasco. We truly live in an age of out of control speculation. I think theaters have also gotten greedy. I'd always lauded theaters as a working class escape and a means of teleportation, but everything's too expensive. It's only starting to recapture the market that looks to theaters being less expensive than streaming services because the cost of the latter is rising. I think theaters, or at least chain theaters, are rightfully suffering for their greed; streaming services taught them a lesson, but now they're getting greedy too because they're losing money hand over fist. It seems to me like whatever the crowd-pleasing option is will inherently be a cash-burner. Netflix has been talking about bringing in a few minutes of ads here and there, and offering a version of itself without ads for a more expensive price. I think that's evil, but if those are the options then people will take them, especially if they want to stay with Netflix. I think it's recreating the old system that made everyone roll their eyes in the first place. I don't want ads, but that's where the real money comes in.
Disney and Marvel/Star Wars especially is pumping out so much content that none of it feels rare or special. There's so many possibilities why theaters might be tanking. I still think it's a consequence of greed, and streaming services happily picked up the pieces, but the movies being pumped out aren't anything special either. Indie movies don't get much of a chance and other movies go right to streaming because studios only seem interested in movies that are either a) 3D, IMAX, or some other spectacular method of viewing, and b) make near or more than a billion dollars in repeat viewings. The world is still slowly crawling back to theaters, but the elephant in the room (in my opinion) is a lot of movies are shit. This was a problem from at least the 2010's if not 2000's onward. A lot of movies are crap. I actually think it's easier to stay home than take a chance on a crap movie, and a lot of crap movies come from big studios with big names in them. They're just not good, even when they're star-studded.
It could be my imagination but I think people are looking to the past more than ever to fill their movie needs. Everywhere I look, people are into old movies because new ones aren't cutting it. Netflix and Disney + are great if you've never seen a movie before, but most of their catalogue are the hits everyone's seen. Movies are also easier to download than ever.
I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people are fed up with theaters and streaming services. I'm fed up with theaters but I'd still rather patronize them because they have something I want. I like your IP point. I do think there's a 'victory through sheer volume' that flings everything at the wall and see's what sticks. There's so much content it's almost nauseating. Not sure what my point is or if I have one. Just venting. Personally as a single guy, the price of a rental on Disney + amounting to less per person if you're a family of 4 doesn't work on me. These guys make so much money that pretty soon, a film like Avatar 2 or the next Avengers making only a billion will be a flop.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2022 23:16:03 GMT
It’s difficult for me to think of theaters as too expensive when EVERYTHING is too expensive now. I shake my head every time I get some take out now. 9 bucks for a matinee seat feels kind of reasonable next to a 25$ dinner and everything else I have to pay for. I also probably value that experience more than most. I work from home and watch a lot of tv at home. So it’s kind of nice to get out and watch something on a big public screen.
I also only watch about 5 movies a year in the theater so it’s kind of a treat, and far less than I’d spend on a streeeeamer per year
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