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Post by djorno on Feb 21, 2023 21:46:35 GMT
Dude, how can you claim to be a Christian and pander to these people, when the bible explicitly states that those who practice homosexuality will not inherit the kingdom of God? How many of the rules and regulations defined in the Bible do you follow? Only a few. I am not a Jew. I do not need to follow any of these, as they do not apply to me. I am not under the old Covenant. I’m under the law of Christ. I do not believe the bible endorsed the kind of slavery you’re thinking of. More ad Homs, hate, bigotry and intolerance from you. No the truth is I follow the new covenant. Why do you take my view about homosexuality being unnatural and a sin soo personally? You’re the one coming across as a bigot here in all honesty.
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Post by general313 on Feb 21, 2023 22:01:55 GMT
Okay Pharisee... You keep judging the 'sins' of others. And you keep appeasing the sins of others and lead them to hell… Dude, how can you claim to be a Christian and pander to these people, when the bible explicitly states that those who practice homosexuality will not inherit the kingdom of God? One of us is warning them that their sin is going to lead them to hellfire. The other one is telling them to crack on anyway. Only one of us is being the good Christian here. Hint…..it ain’t you. I guess that means Donald Trump is heading to hellfire too.
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Post by djorno on Feb 21, 2023 22:09:56 GMT
And you keep appeasing the sins of others and lead them to hell… Dude, how can you claim to be a Christian and pander to these people, when the bible explicitly states that those who practice homosexuality will not inherit the kingdom of God? One of us is warning them that their sin is going to lead them to hellfire. The other one is telling them to crack on anyway. Only one of us is being the good Christian here. Hint…..it ain’t you. I guess that means Donald Trump is heading to hellfire too. Anyone living in sin, who does not repent will not inherit the kingdom of God. That includes the idiot Trump.
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Post by gadreel on Feb 21, 2023 22:30:24 GMT
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Post by djorno on Feb 21, 2023 23:34:49 GMT
That is precisely what I’m demonstrating. The unloving thing to do would be to believe homosexuality is a sin that will send someone to hell for eternity only to then reassure them that their lifestyle is perfectly fine, that they have nothing to worry about, all for the sake of not hurting their feelings in this life. And you’ve gotta be kidding me citing some ultra left-wing propaganda piece from a woke website masquerading as a religious blog and trying to pass it off as an objective scholarly argument. Nice try. BTW, there are 4 main types of love described in the bible. The highest level of which is Agape love. This is the type of love Jesus calls us to show our neighbours.
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Post by captainbryce on Feb 21, 2023 23:40:26 GMT
"The video doesn’t claim there’s an outright causation" That's because the person that made the video is at least smart enough to know they can't actually say there's direct causation, (again there's no actual scientific evidence). Instead what they do is hint at it and point people in that direction and then when called it out it they can just "Well I never said there was direct causation, I'm just reporting information!". It's essentially their way of pushing lies while maintaining plausible deniability. It's actually the same tactic Holocaust deniers like to use ("Well I'm not saying 6 million jews didn't die, but do we really have all the information!") "It merely suggests that based on data there seems to be a connection" Yeah, it's called correlation, not causation, I've already addressed this several times. Again, ice cream sales go up when crime increases, that's a correlation, not a direct causation. Well the numbers don’t lie. No, but people like you DO. Especially when you try to misuse the numbers so that you can manipulate people into thinking that they say something which they don't. lowtacks86 already explained to you multiple times now how correlation does NOT imply causation but you have yet to acknowledge this. You simply keep pointing to the correlation (as if it validates your argument). It doesn't! Data shows a disproportionately high number of gay men were sexually abused during childhood. This suggests that it had some sort of contribution to their sexual and emotional development. No it doesn't. Not unless you can PROVE that their sexual identity developed after the sexual abuse and AS A RESULT OF it. That's the data that you do not have! This is supported by a 2009 report which revealed that 74% of bisexuals had were sexually abused as kids. No it isn't - it's not "supported" at all (for the aforementioned reasons). And don't bother quoting statistics or mentioning "reports" if you're not going to bother showing your work. A 2001 article in the British journal of psychology revealed that children who are abused as children are much more likely than the average population to abuse other children in adulthood. “Among 747 males the risk of being a perpetrator was positively correlated with reported sexual abuse victim experiences … A high percentage of male subjects abused in childhood by a female relative became perpetrators. Having been a victim was a strong predictor of becoming a perpetrator, as was an index of parental loss in childhood.”Which has absolutely NOTHING to do with sexual orientation. Here’s a quote from a prominent lesbian feminist and academic Camille Paglia: ”“Every single gay person I know ...; The plural of anecdote is NOT data!
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Post by captainbryce on Feb 21, 2023 23:57:52 GMT
Maybe you would do well to understand the bible before you preach it, let me give you a hint, the greatest commandment is to love one another, not like you are demonstrating here. I'm afraid he has a point gadreel, and you are indeed in the WRONG here. The Bible is NOT a book of love! It uses the word "love" to describe a perverted, disgusting, one-dimensional concept of tribalism - not actual love as you understand it. The type of love that Jesus advocates for is something that any rational mind would recognize as hatred. The book literally has him saying "Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me". Matthew 10:34-35“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn “’a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—This is the same asshole who's advocate told slaves to "obey their masters" and obey the commandments (including those that involved stoning disobedient children and putting homosexuals to death). So you're just plain wrong! The type of love that Jesus was talking about was the "sucking his dick" kind of love. It was being a sycophant at the expense of your fellow man type of love. We can recognize that the Christians who picket with signs saying "God hates fags" are evil people, just like we can recognize the djorno is an evil person. But we're using secular standards of good and evil. He's using a biblical standard (which is evil). People like him actually believe that they are doing good because they don't know the difference between good an evil. Everything they learned about morality, they learned from a book written by anonymous, magic believing goat herders. And you’ve gotta be kidding me citing some ultra left-wing propaganda piece from a woke website masquerading as a religious blog and trying to pass it off as an objective scholarly argument. Nice try. Correct! That's exactly what he's doing because he's trying to offer some charity to Christianity which it doesn't deserve. It's an evil religion, and people ought to recognize it for what it is. Not try to sanitize it by pretending Jesus was some liberal, nice guy who loved everyone, or that Christianity is about peace and pacifism. It isn't! Biblical Christianity is about a hateful, vengeful, wrathful God throwing a soiled bone of human flesh out as a lifeboat to "save" a minority of God dick suckers from the danger that he created (by his design). God is the "hero" of his own story, which sees him both as someone saving you from himself. BTW, there are 4 main types of love described in the bible. The highest level of which is Agape love. This is the type of love Jesus calls us to show our. Not exactly. Agape love is the love of God (which is the LOWEST kind since God isn't real). It's the "special" kind of love that's exempt from all of the normal rules associate with love as described by Paul in 1 Corinthians 13:4-8. God's love of course FAILS to meet any of the criteria for real love, making it absolutely worthless. It's no wonder why that's the only kind of love you can show.
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Post by djorno on Feb 22, 2023 0:03:35 GMT
Maybe you would do well to understand the bible before you preach it, let me give you a hint, the greatest commandment is to love one another, not like you are demonstrating here. I'm afraid he has a point gadreel , and you are indeed in the WRONG here. The Bible is NOT a book of love! It uses the word "love" to describe a perverted, disgusting, one-dimensional concept of tribalism - not actual love as you understand it. The type of love that Jesus advocates for is something that any rational mind would recognize as hatred. The book literally has him saying "Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me". Matthew 10:34-35“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn “’a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—This is the same asshole who's advocate told slaves to "obey their masters" and obey the commandments (including those that involved stoning disobedient children and putting homosexuals to death). So you're just plain wrong! The type of love that Jesus was talking about was the "sucking his dick" kind of love. It was being a sycophant at the expense of your fellow man type of love. We can recognize that the Christians who picket with signs saying "God hates fags" are evil people, just like we can recognize the djorno is an evil person. But we're using secular standards of good and evil. He's using a biblical standard (which is evil). People like him actually believe that they are doing good because they don't know the difference between good an evil. Everything they learned about morality, they learned from a book written by anonymous, magic believing goat herders. And you’ve gotta be kidding me citing some ultra left-wing propaganda piece from a woke website masquerading as a religious blog and trying to pass it off as an objective scholarly argument. Nice try. Correct! That's exactly what he's doing because he's trying to offer some charity to Christianity which it doesn't deserve. It's an evil religion, and people ought to recognize it for what it is. Not try to sanitize it by pretending Jesus was some liberal, nice guy who loved everyone, or that Christianity is about peace and pacifism. It isn't! Biblical Christianity is about a hateful, vengeful, wrathful God throwing a soiled bone of human flesh out as a lifeboat to "save" a minority of God dick suckers from the danger that he created (by his design). God is the "hero" of his own story, which sees him both as someone saving you from himself. BTW, there are 4 main types of love described in the bible. The highest level of which is Agape love. This is the type of love Jesus calls us to show our. Not exactly. Agape love is the love of God (which is the LOWEST kind since God isn't real). It's the "special" kind of love that's exempt from all of the normal rules associate with love as described by Paul in 1 Corinthians 13:4-8. God's love of course FAILS to meet any of the criteria for real love, making it absolutely worthless. It's no wonder why that's the only kind of love you can show. The lack of self-awareness and level of irony and projection you’ve displayed with this post simply off the charts. Wow.
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Post by gadreel on Feb 22, 2023 0:15:51 GMT
That is precisely what I’m demonstrating. The unloving thing to do would be to believe homosexuality is a sin that will send someone to hell for eternity only to then reassure them that their lifestyle is perfectly fine, that they have nothing to worry about, all for the sake of not hurting their feelings in this life. And you’ve gotta be kidding me citing some ultra left-wing propaganda piece from a woke website masquerading as a religious blog and trying to pass it off as an objective scholarly argument. Nice try. BTW, there are 4 main types of love described in the bible. The highest level of which is Agape love. This is the type of love Jesus calls us to show our neighbours. I feel like that is an ironic statement given you have taken the right wing literal view which is demonstrably not correct. I feel like you just want to justify hating people, and I am shamed that I have to count you among our number as Christians when you clearly ignore the greatest teaching of Christ to satisfy your own bloodlust
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Post by djorno on Feb 22, 2023 0:22:06 GMT
That is precisely what I’m demonstrating. The unloving thing to do would be to believe homosexuality is a sin that will send someone to hell for eternity only to then reassure them that their lifestyle is perfectly fine, that they have nothing to worry about, all for the sake of not hurting their feelings in this life. And you’ve gotta be kidding me citing some ultra left-wing propaganda piece from a woke website masquerading as a religious blog and trying to pass it off as an objective scholarly argument. Nice try. BTW, there are 4 main types of love described in the bible. The highest level of which is Agape love. This is the type of love Jesus calls us to show our neighbours. I feel like that is an ironic statement given you have taken the right wing literal view which is demonstrably not correct. I feel like you just want to justify hating people, and I am shamed that I have to count you among our number as Christians when you clearly ignore the greatest teaching of Christ to satisfy your own bloodlust You’re being very disingenuous here bordering on dishonest. I do not hate anybody. Warning people about a certain sin is not hatred. If I hated these people I wouldn’t want them to repent. The people showing all of the hate here with the name calling, personal attacks, blasphemy and intolerance on this thread are the non-believers.
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Post by gadreel on Feb 22, 2023 0:26:16 GMT
Maybe you would do well to understand the bible before you preach it, let me give you a hint, the greatest commandment is to love one another, not like you are demonstrating here. I'm afraid he has a point gadreel , and you are indeed in the WRONG here. The Bible is NOT a book of love! It uses the word "love" to describe a perverted, disgusting, one-dimensional concept of tribalism - not actual love as you understand it. The type of love that Jesus advocates for is something that any rational mind would recognize as hatred. The book literally has him saying "Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me". Matthew 10:34-35“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn “’a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—This is the same asshole who's advocate told slaves to "obey their masters" and obey the commandments (including those that involved stoning disobedient children and putting homosexuals to death). So you're just plain wrong! The type of love that Jesus was talking about was the "sucking his dick" kind of love. It was being a sycophant at the expense of your fellow man type of love. We can recognize that the Christians who picket with signs saying "God hates fags" are evil people, just like we can recognize the djorno is an evil person. But we're using secular standards of good and evil. He's using a biblical standard (which is evil). People like him actually believe that they are doing good because they don't know the difference between good an evil. Everything they learned about morality, they learned from a book written by anonymous, magic believing goat herders. And you’ve gotta be kidding me citing some ultra left-wing propaganda piece from a woke website masquerading as a religious blog and trying to pass it off as an objective scholarly argument. Nice try. Correct! That's exactly what he's doing because he's trying to offer some charity to Christianity which it doesn't deserve. It's an evil religion, and people ought to recognize it for what it is. Not try to sanitize it by pretending Jesus was some liberal, nice guy who loved everyone, or that Christianity is about peace and pacifism. It isn't! Biblical Christianity is about a hateful, vengeful, wrathful God throwing a soiled bone of human flesh out as a lifeboat to "save" a minority of God dick suckers from the danger that he created (by his design). God is the "hero" of his own story, which sees him both as someone saving you from himself. BTW, there are 4 main types of love described in the bible. The highest level of which is Agape love. This is the type of love Jesus calls us to show our. Not exactly. Agape love is the love of God (which is the LOWEST kind since God isn't real). It's the "special" kind of love that's exempt from all of the normal rules associate with love as described by Paul in 1 Corinthians 13:4-8. God's love of course FAILS to meet any of the criteria for real love, making it absolutely worthless. It's no wonder why that's the only kind of love you can show. I was talking specifically about the homosexual stuff, it's simply not true, as I am pretty sure you are aware. As for the greatest commandment being to love aon another, that is very much Jesus' greatest commandment.
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Post by gadreel on Feb 22, 2023 0:31:03 GMT
I feel like that is an ironic statement given you have taken the right wing literal view which is demonstrably not correct. I feel like you just want to justify hating people, and I am shamed that I have to count you among our number as Christians when you clearly ignore the greatest teaching of Christ to satisfy your own bloodlust You’re being very disingenuous here bordering on dishonest. I do not hate anybody. Warning people about a certain sin is not hatred. If I hated these people I wouldn’t want them to repent. The people showing all of the hate here with the name calling, personal attacks, blasphemy and intolerance on this thread are the non-believers. ITS NOT A BIBLICAL SIN IN THEY WAY YOU ARE PORTRAYING IT. You really need to understand the bible better, and by the way the words you use clearly outline your hatred, a loving human would use the words of compassion.
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Post by djorno on Feb 22, 2023 0:37:17 GMT
You’re being very disingenuous here bordering on dishonest. I do not hate anybody. Warning people about a certain sin is not hatred. If I hated these people I wouldn’t want them to repent. The people showing all of the hate here with the name calling, personal attacks, blasphemy and intolerance on this thread are the non-believers. ITS NOT A BIBLICAL SIN IN THEY WAY YOU ARE PORTRAYING IT. You really need to understand the bible better, and by the way the words you use clearly outline your hatred, a loving human would use the words of compassion. Wanting gays to repent, be healed and made wholesome and inherit the kingdom of God is the compassionate thing to do. Bending over backwards to defend the sin of homosexuality for the sake of political correctness and sparing their feels is the foolish thing to do.
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Post by gadreel on Feb 22, 2023 0:38:35 GMT
ITS NOT A BIBLICAL SIN IN THEY WAY YOU ARE PORTRAYING IT. You really need to understand the bible better, and by the way the words you use clearly outline your hatred, a loving human would use the words of compassion. Wanting gays to repent, be healed and made wholesome and inherit the kingdom of God is the compassionate thing to do. Bending over backwards to defend the sin of homosexuality for the sake of political correctness and sparing their feels is the foolish thing to do. its not a biblical sin, how many times do you have to be told the same thing? Jesus no wonder you have such a childs take on Christianity
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Post by djorno on Feb 22, 2023 1:06:25 GMT
Wanting gays to repent, be healed and made wholesome and inherit the kingdom of God is the compassionate thing to do. Bending over backwards to defend the sin of homosexuality for the sake of political correctness and sparing their feels is the foolish thing to do. its not a biblical sin, how many times do you have to be told the same thing? Jesus no wonder you have such a childs take on Christianity “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.”Leviticus 18:22 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.”1 Corinthians 6:9-10
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Post by gadreel on Feb 22, 2023 1:12:39 GMT
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Post by djorno on Feb 22, 2023 1:28:19 GMT
Warn them to repent. That’s all. Repent from their true nature???
You seem to think it is a behavior that defies something you believe in, when the belief is only your own delusion right from the start and that you can't recognize it. This is your folly, not the homosexual.
That’s like saying a person with violent nature shouldn’t need to repent.
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Post by djorno on Feb 22, 2023 1:30:37 GMT
And you keep appeasing the sins of others and lead them to hell… Dude, how can you claim to be a Christian and pander to these people, when the bible explicitly states that those who practice homosexuality will not inherit the kingdom of God? One of us is warning them that their sin is going to lead them to hellfire. The other one is telling them to crack on anyway. Only one of us is being the good Christian here. Hint…..it ain’t you. So you want kudos and approval for being a good Christian, whatever that is. Those are the traits of a mentally ill narcissist. No you missed the point. I want people to be saved and enter the kingdom of God. I don’t wish for any one, straight or gay, to spend eternity in hellfire.
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Post by amyghost on Feb 22, 2023 1:51:25 GMT
The story doesn’t mean what you think it means, the actual opposite in fact. Okay Pharisee... You keep judging the 'sins' of others. It's evident the little jackass thinks he's the equal of his savior. In point of actual fact, were his savior to meet our lad, I think it's a safe bet he'd have a fairly poor opinion of him.
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Post by gadreel on Feb 22, 2023 8:02:32 GMT
How many of the rules and regulations defined in the Bible do you follow? Only a few. I am not a Jew. I do not need to follow any of these, as they do not apply to me. I am not under the old Covenant. I’m under the law of Christ. I do not believe the bible endorsed the kind of slavery you’re thinking of. More ad Homs, hate, bigotry and intolerance from you. No the truth is I follow the new covenant. Why do you take my view about homosexuality being unnatural and a sin soo personally? You’re the one coming across as a bigot here in all honesty. If you follow the new covenant, why did you quote leviticus? are you sure you have a handle on this?
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