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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 3, 2017 21:22:46 GMT
We all know the MCU peaked financially with The Avengers in 2012. That was five long years ago. In that time the mighty and beloved and critically lauded DCEU has launched, and the X-movies have had a string of smash successes with Days of Future Past, Deadpool, and Logan. Can Marvel/Disney ever get back to their previous peak, or will they continue to decline in perpetuity?
I'm worried that the MCU will fade into obscurity and become second-rate, you guys.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2017 21:24:44 GMT
We all know the MCU peaked financially with The Avengers in 2012. That was five long years ago. In that time the mighty and beloved and critically lauded DCEU has launched, and the X-movies have had a string of smash successes with Days of Future Past, Deadpool, and Logan. Can Marvel/Disney ever get back to their previous peak, or will they continue to decline in perpetuity? I'm worried that the MCU will fade into obscurity and become second-rate, you guys. Infinity War will top every other CBM ever made financially. And yes I am fully aware this may (well next year in May) come back and bite me. So be it.
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Post by blockbusted on Jun 3, 2017 22:51:51 GMT
We all know the MCU peaked financially with The Avengers in 2012. That was five long years ago. In that time the mighty and beloved and critically lauded DCEU has launched, and the X-movies have had a string of smash successes with Days of Future Past, Deadpool, and Logan. Can Marvel/Disney ever get back to their previous peak, or will they continue to decline in perpetuity? I'm worried that the MCU will fade into obscurity and become second-rate, you guys. Infinity War will top every other CBM ever made financially. And yes I am fully aware this may (well next year in May) come back and bite me. So be it. Has OP forgot about 'X-Men: Apocalypse'?
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 3, 2017 22:55:23 GMT
Infinity War will top every other CBM ever made financially. And yes I am fully aware this may (well next year in May) come back and bite me. So be it. Has OP forgot about 'X-Men: Apocalypse'? It wasn't a flop and doesn't discount the success of the others I mentioned.
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Post by Surly on Jun 3, 2017 23:45:23 GMT
I wouldn't quite say it's in a nosedive yet. I mean, Age of Ultron, Iron Man 3, and Capt. America: Civil War all made strong box office showings! I think MCU's biggest problem right now is that it basically has 2 series characters carrying it's success: Iron Man and Captain America. You can add the Avengers but they've partially felt like Captain America/Iron Man tie-ins. And the last 2 Captain America films have felt like Avengers tie-ins. That's the recent history anyway.
X-men has been respectable. But at one time it seemed that Wolverine and X-men were pillars. The Hulk looked like it had such potential in the start. And the Toby McGuire Spider-Man series seemed like it would permanently establish the Spider-Man franchise no matter what decisions that they made with it.
Wolverine apparently ran it's course. The X-men has suffered from too many alternate timelines. And the Hulk could've stood a little writing improvement. Plus they could never nail down a dependable lead actor for the title role.
Spider-Man has suffered from reboot-itis. It's killing the continuation of the character and his universe.
Well that's what I think anyway. If they can get someone else to carry the weight besides Cap and Iron Man then that might improve the future outlook.
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Post by skribb on Jun 4, 2017 1:18:44 GMT
the MCU will become even more popular come Infinity War, when all the kiddies who have been exposed to Holland's Friendly Neighborhood yet again (post-Civil War) will clamor for more Webhead! And to be quite frank, I don't think we have enough data to sufficiently predict this whole thing. cinematic universes and comic book movies haven't been around for very long and I don't think there's any societal indicators that we as a society would suddenly stop wanting to watch fantasy/sci-fi/matiné movies (i.e these types of movies) at the theater and at home. As long as the movies are qualitative people will want to see them. Hell, with CBMs they don't even have to be THAT good to succeed (lookin' at you, Fail of Ultron, X-Meh Apocalypse)
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Post by merh on Jun 4, 2017 10:34:44 GMT
We all know the MCU peaked financially with The Avengers in 2012. That was five long years ago. In that time the mighty and beloved and critically lauded DCEU has launched, and the X-movies have had a string of smash successes with Days of Future Past, Deadpool, and Logan. Can Marvel/Disney ever get back to their previous peak, or will they continue to decline in perpetuity? I'm worried that the MCU will fade into obscurity and become second-rate, you guys. Try harder next time
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 4, 2017 12:54:07 GMT
We all know the MCU peaked financially with The Avengers in 2012. That was five long years ago. In that time the mighty and beloved and critically lauded DCEU has launched, and the X-movies have had a string of smash successes with Days of Future Past, Deadpool, and Logan. Can Marvel/Disney ever get back to their previous peak, or will they continue to decline in perpetuity? I'm worried that the MCU will fade into obscurity and become second-rate, you guys. Try harder next time So, just to be clear: I assert that the MCU peaked at the box office with the first Avengers flick. You go to the trouble of demonstrating that for me by copying and pasting proof of just that and then post a pithy follow-up. I don't get it.
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Post by merh on Jun 4, 2017 16:57:19 GMT
So, just to be clear: I assert that the MCU peaked at the box office with the first Avengers flick. You go to the trouble of demonstrating that for me by copying and pasting proof of just that and then post a pithy follow-up. I don't get it. The Marvel titles are seen as Marvel movies, hence the MCU logo segment change. Nor have they done as well as Marvel has. Guardians has been in theaters a month & has $800 mill worldwide. Rank Title/Studio Lifetime Gross / Theaters Date 1---Marvel's The Avengers-----$623,357,910- 5/4/122---The Dark Knight---------------$534,858,444-7/18/083---Avengers: Age of Ultron---$459,005,868-5/1/154---The Dark Knight Rises------$448,139,099-7/20/125---Iron Man 3------------------------$409,013,994-5/3/13 6---Captain America: Civil War--$408,084,349-5/6/167---Spider-Man--------------------$403,706,375-5/3/02 8---Spider-Man 2-----------------$373,585,825-6/30/04 9---Deadpool-----------------------$363,070,709-2/12/16 10--Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2-$355,474,332-5/5/1711--Spider-Man 3----------------$336,530,30-5/4/07 12--Guardians of the Galaxy--$333,176,600-8/1/1413--Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice-$330,360,194-3/25/16 14--Suicide Squad---$325,100,054-8/5/1615--Iron Man--$318,412,101-5/2/08 16--Iron Man 2--$312,433,331-5/7/1017--Man of Steel--- $291,045,518-6/14/1318--The Amazing Spider-Man-$262,030,663-7/3/12 19--The Incredibles--- $261,441,092-11/5/04 20--Captain America: The Winter Soldier--$259,766,572-4/4/14There is a lot more red than blue up there, dude. Guardians of the Galaxy beat BatsVSupes. A team of unknown heroes.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 4, 2017 17:03:07 GMT
hmm...
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jun 4, 2017 17:20:31 GMT
So, just to be clear: I assert that the MCU peaked at the box office with the first Avengers flick. You go to the trouble of demonstrating that for me by copying and pasting proof of just that and then post a pithy follow-up. I don't get it. The Marvel titles are seen as Marvel movies, hence the MCU logo segment change. Nor have they done as well as Marvel has. Guardians has been in theaters a month & has $800 mill worldwide. Rank Title (click to view) Studio Lifetime Gross / Theaters Opening / Theaters Date 1 Marvel's The Avengers BV $623,357,910 4,349 $207,438,708 4,349 5/4/12 2 The Dark Knight WB $534,858,444 4,366 $158,411,483 4,366 7/18/08 3 Avengers: Age of Ultron BV $459,005,868 4,276 $191,271,109 4,276 5/1/15 4 The Dark Knight Rises WB $448,139,099 4,404 $160,887,295 4,404 7/20/12 5 Iron Man 3 BV $409,013,994 4,253 $174,144,585 4,253 5/3/13 6 Captain America: Civil War BV $408,084,349 4,226 $179,139,142 4,226 5/6/16 7 Spider-Man Sony $403,706,375 3,876 $114,844,116 3,615 5/3/02 8 Spider-Man 2 Sony $373,585,825 4,166 $88,156,227 4,152 6/30/04 9 Deadpool Fox $363,070,709 3,856 $132,434,639 3,558 2/12/16 10 Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 BV $355,474,332 4,347 $146,510,104 4,347 5/5/17 11 Spider-Man 3 Sony $336,530,303 4,324 $151,116,516 4,252 5/4/07 12--Guardians of the Galaxy--$333,176,600-8/1/14 13--Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice-$330,360,194-3/25/16 14--Suicide Squad---$325,100,054-8/5/1615--Iron Man--$318,412,101-5/2/08 16--Iron Man 2--$312,433,331-5/7/10 17--Man of Steel--- $291,045,518-6/14/1318--The Amazing Spider-Man-$262,030,663-7/3/12 19--The Incredibles--- $261,441,092-11/5/04 20--Captain America: The Winter Soldier--$259,766,572-4/4/14 I think you may have accidentally proven his point. I'm a little confused.
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Post by merh on Jun 4, 2017 17:32:58 GMT
The Marvel titles are seen as Marvel movies, hence the MCU logo segment change. Nor have they done as well as Marvel has. Guardians has been in theaters a month & has $800 mill worldwide. Rank Title/Studio Lifetime Gross / Theaters Date 1---Marvel's The Avengers-----$623,357,910- 5/4/122---The Dark Knight---------------$534,858,444-7/18/083---Avengers: Age of Ultron---$459,005,868-5/1/154---The Dark Knight Rises------$448,139,099-7/20/125---Iron Man 3------------------------$409,013,994-5/3/13 6---Captain America: Civil War--$408,084,349-5/6/167---Spider-Man--------------------$403,706,375-5/3/02 8---Spider-Man 2-----------------$373,585,825-6/30/04 9---Deadpool-----------------------$363,070,709-2/12/16 10--Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2-$355,474,332-5/5/1711--Spider-Man 3----------------$336,530,30-5/4/07 12--Guardians of the Galaxy--$333,176,600-8/1/1413--Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice-$330,360,194-3/25/16 14--Suicide Squad---$325,100,054-8/5/1615--Iron Man--$318,412,101-5/2/08 16--Iron Man 2--$312,433,331-5/7/1017--Man of Steel--- $291,045,518-6/14/1318--The Amazing Spider-Man-$262,030,663-7/3/12 19--The Incredibles--- $261,441,092-11/5/04 20--Captain America: The Winter Soldier--$259,766,572-4/4/14I think you may have accidentally proven his point. I'm a little confused. Give me a bit. 57 yr old gal just started on her morning coffee. Point being, there is way more red in my finished post than blue. BATMAN AND SUPERMAN PLUS WONDER WOMAN and they get beat by a team of unknown heroes? Cap has done better with each movie
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 18:36:19 GMT
Fact is that after Avengers there hasnt been a MCU movie with a higher BO take.
But decend in obscurity... That aint so if you still brought out 3 movies that crossed the 1 billion mark.
And I like I said its more than likely that Avengers 3 and/or 4 will beat the first Avengers movie on that front.
But still I dont care because I like the MCU and what they are doing.
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Post by merh on Jun 4, 2017 18:39:55 GMT
Fact is that after Avengers there hasnt been a MCU movie with a higher BO take. But decend in obscurity... That aint so if you still brought out 3 movies that crossed the 1 billion mark. And I like I said its more than likely that Avengers 3 and/or 4 will beat the first Avengers movie on that front. But still I dont care because I like the MCU and what they are doing. Avengers was a bit of a fluke. No one thought it was going to be that big & the momentum carried it sort of like Avatar. It was the right movie at the right time.
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Post by politicidal on Jun 4, 2017 18:41:46 GMT
We'll see how Infinity War pans out I guess.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 7, 2017 3:52:14 GMT
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jun 7, 2017 3:58:31 GMT
Only half of the Top 10 are MCU?
Wow.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 16:50:00 GMT
Only half of the Top 10 are MCU? Wow. I think the point is not one is DCEU... And the other half is Sony, Fox and WB combined. Unless you are being sarcastic, in that case, carry on.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 15, 2017 20:26:49 GMT
Bump!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 4:07:45 GMT
I'm pretty sure its not a downward spiral. If you look at the list below, there are plenty of ups and downs in the grosses for various reasons.
Phase 1: 1. Ironman: 585.2 million USD 2. The Incredible Hulk: 263.4 million USD 3. Ironman 2: 623.9 million USD 4. Thor: 449.3 million USD 5. Captain America 1: 370.6 million USD 6. The Avengers: 1.5 billion USD
Phase 2: 7. Ironman 3: 1.215 billion USD 8. Thor: TDW: 644.6 million USD 9. Captain America: WS: 714.3 million USD 10. Guardians of the Galaxy: 773.3 million USD 11. Avengers: AoU: 1.405 billion USD 12. Ant-Man: 519.3 million USD
Phase 3: 13. Captain America: CW: 1.132 billion USD 14. Doctor Strange: 677.7 million USD
Age of Ultron made less than The Avengers, but... Every Non-Avengers Phase 2 Film consistently made more money than every Non-Avengers Phase 1 Film, with the sole exception of Ant-Man, which clocked in with less than the first two Ironman films. But it still made more than Incredible Hulk, Thor, and Cap: TFA. Ironman 3 is the most successful Ironman film to date. Thor: The Dark World, despite easily being the worst MCU film, still beat its predecessor. Captain America: The Winter Soldier beat its predecessor to a bloody pulp and then buried the carcass. The Guardians of the Galaxy outdid Ironman 2, Phase 1's most financially successful Non-Avengers film by over a hundred million.
And so far every Non-Avengers Phase 3 Film has continued the trend. Captain America: Civil War outpaced The Winter Soldier by $400 million. No, it's not an Avengers film. It is an Captain America film. The next Avengers film will be Infinity War. Doctor Strange, the new weird character on the block performed as well as everyone was expecting him to. Like Thor, Cap: TFA, and Ant-Man before it, it pulled a healthy, but average box office. In fact, its the most successful new sub-franchise in the series second only to the first Guardians. And yes, the other previously new properties (Ironman 1, Hulk, Thor, Cap: TFA, Guardians, and Ant-Man) are the films to compare it to. Just as Black Panther and Captain Marvel will be compared to the other previously new properties when they come out. And Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 has already beaten its predecessor at the box office, and still isn't done yet.
So this is not a downward spiral. This is a series of franchises that are consistently performing better and better.
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