Hnefahogg
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Post by Hnefahogg on Jul 14, 2023 7:18:33 GMT
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Post by Admin on Jul 14, 2023 23:01:34 GMT
Oh, that's rich. Try admitting you're a Christian.
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jackbrock
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Post by jackbrock on Jul 15, 2023 0:40:08 GMT
This is comedy at it's best.
You make it sound like people come out of the closet as an athiest.
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Post by progressiveelement on Sept 21, 2023 11:59:19 GMT
Nope. I live in a civilized nation, not some backwater poophole. |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Sept 21, 2023 18:58:10 GMT
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Sept 29, 2023 0:22:47 GMT
No, why would i be afraid of admitting that ?
Is this some silly American thing?
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Post by amyghost on Sept 29, 2023 1:12:33 GMT
No, why would i be afraid of admitting that ? Is this some silly American thing? It somewhat is. In the US, christers fully expect their beliefs to be treated with utmost respect, but have no problem with trashing atheists and showing absolutely no respect for their views. I know believers who are very nice people generally, but who will become pretty vocally nasty when the topic of atheism is brought up. They really seem to feel that atheism has no right to exist and that no one should be able to voice an atheist viewpoint aloud in their hearing. And I suspect that's far more endemic to the US than to the European world. |
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Post by Admin on Sept 29, 2023 1:50:08 GMT
No, why would i be afraid of admitting that ? Is this some silly American thing? It somewhat is. In the US, christers fully expect their beliefs to be treated with utmost respect, but have no problem with trashing atheists and showing absolutely no respect for their views. I know believers who are very nice people generally, but who will become pretty vocally nasty when the topic of atheism is brought up. They really seem to feel that atheism has no right to exist and that no one should be able to voice an atheist viewpoint aloud in their hearing. And I suspect that's far more endemic to the US than to the European world. I haven't met many atheists who respect "christers" for their views, and most times the disrespect comes with a large side order of condescension right out of the gate. Atheist: Do you believe in God? Christer: Yes. Atheist: You're a delusional moron. Stop proselytizing and pull your head out of your indoctrinated ass. On the other hand... Atheist: Do you believe in Allah? Muslim: Yes. Atheist: Nice. Wanna get a coffee? It should also be noted that when a christer says what you just said but with the tables turned, s/he suddenly needs to get over their persecution complex. |
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Sept 29, 2023 2:01:24 GMT
It somewhat is. In the US, christers fully expect their beliefs to be treated with utmost respect, but have no problem with trashing atheists and showing absolutely no respect for their views. I know believers who are very nice people generally, but who will become pretty vocally nasty when the topic of atheism is brought up. They really seem to feel that atheism has no right to exist and that no one should be able to voice an atheist viewpoint aloud in their hearing. And I suspect that's far more endemic to the US than to the European world. I haven't met many atheists who respect "christers" for their views, and most times the disrespect comes with a large side order of condescension right out of the gate. Atheist: Do you believe in God? Christer: Yes. Atheist: You're a delusional moron. Stop proselytizing and pull your head out of your indoctrinated ass. On the other hand... Atheist: Do you believe in Allah? Muslim: Yes. Atheist: Nice. Wanna get a coffee? It should also be noted that when a christer says what you just said but with the tables turned, s/he suddenly needs to get over their persecution complex. My guess is that, this conversation did not happen in real life, but only in your mind. |
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Post by Admin on Sept 29, 2023 2:09:53 GMT
I haven't met many atheists who respect "christers" for their views, and most times the disrespect comes with a large side order of condescension right out of the gate. Atheist: Do you believe in God? Christer: Yes. Atheist: You're a delusional moron. Stop proselytizing and pull your head out of your indoctrinated ass. On the other hand... Atheist: Do you believe in Allah? Muslim: Yes. Atheist: Nice. Wanna get a coffee? It should also be noted that when a christer says what you just said but with the tables turned, s/he suddenly needs to get over their persecution complex. My guess is that, this conversation did not happen in real life, but only in your mind. Not word for word, of course, but that's the nutshell version of many discussions. "Only in your mind." Thanks for the underscore. |
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The Lost One
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Post by The Lost One on Sept 29, 2023 10:06:57 GMT
It somewhat is. In the US, christers fully expect their beliefs to be treated with utmost respect, but have no problem with trashing atheists and showing absolutely no respect for their views. I know believers who are very nice people generally, but who will become pretty vocally nasty when the topic of atheism is brought up. They really seem to feel that atheism has no right to exist and that no one should be able to voice an atheist viewpoint aloud in their hearing. And I suspect that's far more endemic to the US than to the European world. I haven't met many atheists who respect "christers" for their views, and most times the disrespect comes with a large side order of condescension right out of the gate. Atheist: Do you believe in God? Christer: Yes. Atheist: You're a delusional moron. Stop proselytizing and pull your head out of your indoctrinated ass. On the other hand... Atheist: Do you believe in Allah? Muslim: Yes. Atheist: Nice. Wanna get a coffee? It should also be noted that when a christer says what you just said but with the tables turned, s/he suddenly needs to get over their persecution complex. In my experience, most people are happy to leave people to their religious views or lack thereof in normal conversation. |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Sept 29, 2023 19:33:30 GMT
In my experience, most people are happy to leave people to their religious views or lack thereof in normal conversation. I'm certainly not aware of aggressive proselytizing by atheists in the same way I have experienced by various representatives of Christianity, standing in the street or knocking on my door. |
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Post by amyghost on Sept 30, 2023 1:11:07 GMT
It somewhat is. In the US, christers fully expect their beliefs to be treated with utmost respect, but have no problem with trashing atheists and showing absolutely no respect for their views. I know believers who are very nice people generally, but who will become pretty vocally nasty when the topic of atheism is brought up. They really seem to feel that atheism has no right to exist and that no one should be able to voice an atheist viewpoint aloud in their hearing. And I suspect that's far more endemic to the US than to the European world. I haven't met many atheists who respect "christers" for their views, and most times the disrespect comes with a large side order of condescension right out of the gate. Atheist: Do you believe in God? Christer: Yes. Atheist: You're a delusional moron. Stop proselytizing and pull your head out of your indoctrinated ass. On the other hand... Atheist: Do you believe in Allah? Muslim: Yes. Atheist: Nice. Wanna get a coffee? It should also be noted that when a christer says what you just said but with the tables turned, s/he suddenly needs to get over their persecution complex. Quite frankly, I've never met an atheist who, in my presence, behaved that way towards a believer. And the 'Allah' thing is getting to be boilerplate stereotype in my honest opinion. Perhaps some of the very young amongst the atheist tribe behave that poorly but then again that wouldn't be the only arena in which they do. That's all part of growing pains. BTW, I do hope you don't tend towards thinking Christians are persecuted in the US? I can assure you of their virulence towards atheists, as I work with a group of women who are otherwise quite decent people, but who definitely display the sort of bile I described above as far as atheism goes. And they are the majority at my workplace; no one casts aspersions on their beliefs, or would think of doing so. |
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Post by Admin on Sept 30, 2023 1:59:56 GMT
I haven't met many atheists who respect "christers" for their views, and most times the disrespect comes with a large side order of condescension right out of the gate. Atheist: Do you believe in God? Christer: Yes. Atheist: You're a delusional moron. Stop proselytizing and pull your head out of your indoctrinated ass. On the other hand... Atheist: Do you believe in Allah? Muslim: Yes. Atheist: Nice. Wanna get a coffee? It should also be noted that when a christer says what you just said but with the tables turned, s/he suddenly needs to get over their persecution complex. Quite frankly, I've never met an atheist who, in my presence, behaved that way towards a believer. And the 'Allah' thing is getting to be boilerplate stereotype in my honest opinion. Perhaps some of the very young amongst the atheist tribe behave that poorly but then again that wouldn't be the only arena in which they do. That's all part of growing pains. BTW, I do hope you don't tend towards thinking Christians are persecuted in the US? I can assure you of their virulence towards atheists, as I work with a group of women who are otherwise quite decent people, but who definitely display the sort of bile I described above as far as atheism goes. And they are the majority at my workplace; no one casts aspersions on their beliefs, or would think of doing so. Most atheists I've chatted and argued with over the years are ex-Christians of the Catholic variety. They claim they grew out of the childish nonsense of religion, after which it becomes apparent that their issue isn't really with religion in general, but rather Christianity - or more specifically, Catholicism and the people who run it. Personally, I don't blame them. If I were raised Catholic and got enlightened by a priest's dick in my ass, I would question the establishment as well. But only those who believe Catholicism is Christianity think leaving the former is the same as leaving the latter. I'm digressing a bit here, but my point is that I have yet to see an atheist go at Islam the way they go at Christianity, and I can only assume "enemy of my enemy" has something to do with it. I wasn't aware that we weren't speaking globally, but surely you don't think Christians aren't persecuted in the US? I don't think they have passed Jews in the persecution department just yet, but to suggest that atheists are even approaching the same level of persecution - let alone surpassing it - is laughable. Here a quick Google search result: www.forbes.com/sites/ewelinaochab/2019/11/30/recognizing-the-phenomenon-of-the-persecution-of-christians-globally/There are literally millions more where that came from. |
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djorno
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Post by djorno on Sept 30, 2023 2:22:07 GMT
Quite frankly, I've never met an atheist who, in my presence, behaved that way towards a believer. And the 'Allah' thing is getting to be boilerplate stereotype in my honest opinion. Perhaps some of the very young amongst the atheist tribe behave that poorly but then again that wouldn't be the only arena in which they do. That's all part of growing pains. BTW, I do hope you don't tend towards thinking Christians are persecuted in the US? I can assure you of their virulence towards atheists, as I work with a group of women who are otherwise quite decent people, but who definitely display the sort of bile I described above as far as atheism goes. And they are the majority at my workplace; no one casts aspersions on their beliefs, or would think of doing so. Most atheists I've chatted and argued with over the years are ex-Christians of the Catholic variety. They claim they grew out of the childish nonsense of religion, after which it becomes apparent that their issue isn't really with religion in general, but rather Christianity - or more specifically, Catholicism and the people who run it. Personally, I don't blame them. If I were raised Catholic and got enlightened by a priest's dick in my ass, I would question the establishment as well. But only those who believe Catholicism is Christianity think leaving the former is the same as leaving the latter. I'm digressing a bit here, but my point is that I have yet to see an atheist go at Islam the way they go at Christianity, and I can only assume "enemy of my enemy" has something to do with it. I wasn't aware that we weren't speaking globally, but surely you don't think Christians aren't persecuted in the US? I don't think they have passed Jews in the persecution department just yet, but to suggest that atheists are even approaching the same level of persecution - let alone surpassing it - is laughable. Here a quick Google search result: www.forbes.com/sites/ewelinaochab/2019/11/30/recognizing-the-phenomenon-of-the-persecution-of-christians-globally/There are literally millions more where that came from. Spirit of antichrist. That’s what that is. |
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Post by Admin on Sept 30, 2023 2:30:42 GMT
Most atheists I've chatted and argued with over the years are ex-Christians of the Catholic variety. They claim they grew out of the childish nonsense of religion, after which it becomes apparent that their issue isn't really with religion in general, but rather Christianity - or more specifically, Catholicism and the people who run it. Personally, I don't blame them. If I were raised Catholic and got enlightened by a priest's dick in my ass, I would question the establishment as well. But only those who believe Catholicism is Christianity think leaving the former is the same as leaving the latter. I'm digressing a bit here, but my point is that I have yet to see an atheist go at Islam the way they go at Christianity, and I can only assume "enemy of my enemy" has something to do with it. I wasn't aware that we weren't speaking globally, but surely you don't think Christians aren't persecuted in the US? I don't think they have passed Jews in the persecution department just yet, but to suggest that atheists are even approaching the same level of persecution - let alone surpassing it - is laughable. Here a quick Google search result: www.forbes.com/sites/ewelinaochab/2019/11/30/recognizing-the-phenomenon-of-the-persecution-of-christians-globally/There are literally millions more where that came from. Spirit of antichrist. That’s what that is. Well, it certainly isn't the spirit of antimuhammad. lol |
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The Lost One
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Post by The Lost One on Sept 30, 2023 8:32:15 GMT
I'm digressing a bit here, but my point is that I have yet to see an atheist go at Islam the way they go at Christianity, and I can only assume "enemy of my enemy" has something to do with it. Most of the New Atheist types argue Islam is worse than Christianity. |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Sept 30, 2023 9:55:32 GMT
I'm digressing a bit here, but my point is that I have yet to see an atheist go at Islam the way they go at Christianity, and I can only assume "enemy of my enemy" has something to do with it. Most of the New Atheist types argue Islam is worse than Christianity. I can only speak for myself but over on Reddit I have had quite a few vigorous and in depth debates with Muslims. On Imbd2 there is not much use in discussing Islam when, as far as I know, there are no Muslims here to answer back. As for the persecution of Christians, while it certainly exists in some countries around the world (as does persecution of all faiths by others) it is also true that they have told to expect it in scripture. Evidence for the deep value early Christians put on persecution may also be found in Acts 5:41 and Acts 8:1-4 (which states that even as Christians were persecuted, they spread the word). Additionally, in Luke 6:26, 40, Jesus speaks of coming hardship not just for himself, but for his followers. It can also be pointed out that, for large stretches of history, Christians did a good job in persecuting each other - just as today more Muslims kill fellow Muslims than are attacked by other faiths. |
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Post by amyghost on Oct 1, 2023 2:26:38 GMT
Quite frankly, I've never met an atheist who, in my presence, behaved that way towards a believer. And the 'Allah' thing is getting to be boilerplate stereotype in my honest opinion. Perhaps some of the very young amongst the atheist tribe behave that poorly but then again that wouldn't be the only arena in which they do. That's all part of growing pains. BTW, I do hope you don't tend towards thinking Christians are persecuted in the US? I can assure you of their virulence towards atheists, as I work with a group of women who are otherwise quite decent people, but who definitely display the sort of bile I described above as far as atheism goes. And they are the majority at my workplace; no one casts aspersions on their beliefs, or would think of doing so. Most atheists I've chatted and argued with over the years are ex-Christians of the Catholic variety. They claim they grew out of the childish nonsense of religion, after which it becomes apparent that their issue isn't really with religion in general, but rather Christianity - or more specifically, Catholicism and the people who run it. Personally, I don't blame them. If I were raised Catholic and got enlightened by a priest's dick in my ass, I would question the establishment as well. But only those who believe Catholicism is Christianity think leaving the former is the same as leaving the latter. I'm digressing a bit here, but my point is that I have yet to see an atheist go at Islam the way they go at Christianity, and I can only assume "enemy of my enemy" has something to do with it. I wasn't aware that we weren't speaking globally, but surely you don't think Christians aren't persecuted in the US? I don't think they have passed Jews in the persecution department just yet, but to suggest that atheists are even approaching the same level of persecution - let alone surpassing it - is laughable. Here a quick Google search result: www.forbes.com/sites/ewelinaochab/2019/11/30/recognizing-the-phenomenon-of-the-persecution-of-christians-globally/There are literally millions more where that came from. Good post overall, but, Forbes notwithstanding, no...I don't buy into the notion that Christians are suffering any manner of 'persecution' in the US that warrants the term. As to globally, I can only say: Welcome to the party, as one of religion's most unpleasant and most enduring aspects is the eagerness with which it tends to engage in persecutions of all those sectarian permutations of any and every stripe. "Persecute not, that ye be not persecuted in your turn" might have been a good precept for all religions to follow from the very outset--clearly, almost none did with the none too surprising result that none find themselves free from undergoing it in various places, at various times. |
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Post by Admin on Oct 1, 2023 4:36:53 GMT
Most atheists I've chatted and argued with over the years are ex-Christians of the Catholic variety. They claim they grew out of the childish nonsense of religion, after which it becomes apparent that their issue isn't really with religion in general, but rather Christianity - or more specifically, Catholicism and the people who run it. Personally, I don't blame them. If I were raised Catholic and got enlightened by a priest's dick in my ass, I would question the establishment as well. But only those who believe Catholicism is Christianity think leaving the former is the same as leaving the latter. I'm digressing a bit here, but my point is that I have yet to see an atheist go at Islam the way they go at Christianity, and I can only assume "enemy of my enemy" has something to do with it. I wasn't aware that we weren't speaking globally, but surely you don't think Christians aren't persecuted in the US? I don't think they have passed Jews in the persecution department just yet, but to suggest that atheists are even approaching the same level of persecution - let alone surpassing it - is laughable. Here a quick Google search result: www.forbes.com/sites/ewelinaochab/2019/11/30/recognizing-the-phenomenon-of-the-persecution-of-christians-globally/There are literally millions more where that came from. Good post overall, but, Forbes notwithstanding, no...I don't buy into the notion that Christians are suffering any manner of 'persecution' in the US that warrants the term. As to globally, I can only say: Welcome to the party, as one of religion's most unpleasant and most enduring aspects is the eagerness with which it tends to engage in persecutions of all those sectarian permutations of any and every stripe. "Persecute not, that ye be not persecuted in your turn" might have been a good precept for all religions to follow from the very outset--clearly, almost none did with the none too surprising result that none find themselves free from undergoing it in various places, at various times. Sometimes Christianity and Christians don't get along very well. lol. But the song remains the same: Turning away from religion isn't the same as turning away from God. Ironically, it seems churches have produced a lot of atheists, many with chips on their shoulders. |
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