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Post by transfuged on Feb 4, 2024 20:01:41 GMT
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Post by amyghost on Feb 4, 2024 20:28:39 GMT
A longwinded way of showing your lack of historical perspective. Blacks were being lynched, terrorized, burnt out of their homes, denied voting rights and the most basic of civil liberties, and more during the period in question. Whites aren't experiencing anything remotely resembling this; but of course the fact of an all-Black swim team, to the rightwinger, is at least equal to that sort of violence if not worse. Conservatives sure do like to pull out the fainting couch quite a lot, I realize, but try to get some sort of grip on this before drawing comparisons between pre-Civil Rights Act southern Blacks and current-era Whites. The sort of pearl-clutching show of hysterics that tries to make the two somehow equivalent in heinousness is so absurd as to come across as surreal. I have historical perspective. You do not have historical perspective. Segregation is seen as evil, discriminatory and racist both historically and presently. Something deemed too white is something that needs to be fixed today. It's typical of leftists to go on about diversity and inclusion, the horrors of segregation and racism while promoting and celebrating racism and segregation or at the very least downplaying it. people like that are massive hypocrites and racist. And it's typical of rightists--White rightists, at any rate--to equate a juridical thorn in their side with decades of oppression and brutality against a non-White group. If you call that 'perspective' you need new glasses.
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Feb 4, 2024 20:33:56 GMT
I have historical perspective. You do not have historical perspective. Segregation is seen as evil, discriminatory and racist both historically and presently. Something deemed too white is something that needs to be fixed today. It's typical of leftists to go on about diversity and inclusion, the horrors of segregation and racism while promoting and celebrating racism and segregation or at the very least downplaying it. people like that are massive hypocrites and racist. And it's typical of rightists--White rightists, at any rate--to equate a juridical thorn in their side with decades of oppression and brutality against a non-White group. If you call that 'perspective' you need new glasses. You learn from history so as not to repeat. We learned segregation was bad so that we don't segregate today. I denounce segregated swim classes based on race. I don't see how anyone can excuse segregation based on race especially today.
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Post by amyghost on Feb 4, 2024 20:47:19 GMT
And it's typical of rightists--White rightists, at any rate--to equate a juridical thorn in their side with decades of oppression and brutality against a non-White group. If you call that 'perspective' you need new glasses. You learn from history so as not to repeat. We learned segregation was bad so that we don't segregate today. I denounce segregated swim classes based on race. I don't see how anyone can excuse segregation based on race especially today. And I don't see how anyone can equate the historical fact of a brutalizing of a people with a group having it's own swim team, so I guess that leaves us at a bit of an impasse.
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Post by transfuged on Feb 4, 2024 20:54:00 GMT
You learn from history so as not to repeat. We learned segregation was bad so that we don't segregate today. I denounce segregated swim classes based on race. I don't see how anyone can excuse segregation based on race especially today. And I don't see how anyone can equate the historical fact of a brutalizing of a people with a group having it's own swim team, so I guess that us us at a bit of an impasse. A group ? A collection of individuals who share only some similar pigment in their skin is a group ? To whom eyes ?
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Feb 4, 2024 20:58:59 GMT
You learn from history so as not to repeat. We learned segregation was bad so that we don't segregate today. I denounce segregated swim classes based on race. I don't see how anyone can excuse segregation based on race especially today. And I don't see how anyone can equate the historical fact of a brutalizing of a people with a group having it's own swim team, so I guess that us us at a bit of an impasse. One of the brutalities that faced blacks was segregation. Why is it ok to have a segregated swim class?
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Post by amyghost on Feb 5, 2024 13:36:20 GMT
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Post by transfuged on Feb 5, 2024 16:40:47 GMT
I beg to differ Amyghost, Feelings put aside. Offtheboatpsycho is right on at least one count. Segregation is evil. It worked in every place colonialism took place. Before South Africa could get rid of it, India did. You know that the problem is not about comparing levels in violence. It’s the lack of humanity and thoughlessness at work. It is emptiness of thought that sends à whole jewish familly to the gaz chamber because they are jewish. Being Jewish will never be wrong. But crimes against humanity happened because of that thoughtlessness. It is thoughtless to refer to à group on race ground as it comes to individuals. Hugs
History is full of violent deeds against europeans by europeans for europeans. That is called war. I suspect one could call them ”whites” without thinking.
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Post by Prime etc. on Feb 5, 2024 18:10:09 GMT
Canada doesn't have a big african population so they need someone to use as an outsider agitator against the European population. Thus they use the tribes (as they import millions of foreigners who will not respect treaties or their land claims). The tribes have high crime rates and the RCMP cannot do anything. There was a particularly egregious case where a single mother was murdered by a tribesman and the son wrote a letter about all the privileges and perks the killer got in prison--even got married and released. It is an anti-white agenda---that is why they have black faces in commercials EXCEPT for assisted suicide--they use white people for that.
Ironically Canada has been ass-kissing diversity for a long time. Even the word Canada is a non-European word.
Ottawa, Toronto, etc.
And segregation works. That is why Iceland has the lowest crime rate in the world. Diversity creates destabilization.
It is common sense. It may promote xenophobia but it does keep the society more stable. People with shared backgrounds will naturally have more trust and common interests.
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Feb 5, 2024 20:23:19 GMT
Nice deflection. I'm saying segregation is wrong no matter the time or place. Segregation is segregation. You seem to have provided links from all over the place and going back centuries. Are you saying blacks in 2024 need a safe space to swim because of violent white people? If you want to go down that road think you might to want to check out recent American race crime stats.
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Post by amyghost on Feb 5, 2024 20:40:12 GMT
Nice deflection. I'm saying segregation is wrong no matter the time or place. Segregation is segregation. You seem to have provided links from all over the place and going back centuries. Are you saying blacks in 2024 need a safe space to swim because of violent white people? If you want to go down that road think you might to want to check out recent American race crime stats. You're still trying to equate centuries of brute repression of Blacks as being equivalent in awfulness to Whites being disallowed participation on a Black swim team. When you can stop attempting to push ridiculous narratives like that, I'll give you a hearing. And where's your history of doing or saying anything against White segregationist oppression of Blacks, historically? Maybe you have spoken against it, but I can't find any record of it here. Your posts always seem to be the same dreary whinge about how the White man is so put upon by those minorities seeking the selfsame equality you claim the Constitution and the law stand for. Of course, when all else fails, it's time to reach for the "We all know who the real criminals are" line. Typical. (BTW, check the dateline on some of those hits. Yes, Blacks are still confronted by White thugs--er, excuse me, patriots--threatening them with violence in public spaces in this first quarter of the 21st century.)
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Feb 5, 2024 20:55:32 GMT
Nice deflection. I'm saying segregation is wrong no matter the time or place. Segregation is segregation. You seem to have provided links from all over the place and going back centuries. Are you saying blacks in 2024 need a safe space to swim because of violent white people? If you want to go down that road think you might to want to check out recent American race crime stats. You're still trying to equate centuries of brute repression of Blacks as being equivalent in awfulness to Whites being disallowed participation on a Black swim team. When you can stop attempting to push ridiculous narratives like that, I'll give you a hearing. And where's your history of doing or saying anything against White segregationist oppression of Blacks, historically? Maybe you have spoken against it, but I can't find any record of it here. Your posts always seem to be the same dreary whinge about how the White man is so put upon by those minorities seeking the selfsame equality you claim the Constitution and the law stand for. Of course, when all else fails, it's time to reach for the "We all know who the real criminals are" line. Typical. (BTW, check the dateline on some of those hits. Yes, Blacks are still confronted by White thugs--er, excuse me, patriots--threatening them with violence in public spaces in this first quarter of the 21st century.) I didn't equate centuries of brutality against anyone with a swim class. Segregation is wrong. That's what we are told. Discrimination based on race is wrong and against the law. It is that simple. And if you want to bring up white thugs and their violence against blacks then I will always counter with racial crime stats that are more recent. You are deflecting because you can't admit that there is racial segregation that benefits blacks and discriminates against other groups including whites which is again something you won't admit. Blacks in Canada can have their own racially segregated swim class because of something that happened in 1920's Alabama. Good grief.
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Post by amyghost on Feb 5, 2024 21:36:18 GMT
You're still trying to equate centuries of brute repression of Blacks as being equivalent in awfulness to Whites being disallowed participation on a Black swim team. When you can stop attempting to push ridiculous narratives like that, I'll give you a hearing. And where's your history of doing or saying anything against White segregationist oppression of Blacks, historically? Maybe you have spoken against it, but I can't find any record of it here. Your posts always seem to be the same dreary whinge about how the White man is so put upon by those minorities seeking the selfsame equality you claim the Constitution and the law stand for. Of course, when all else fails, it's time to reach for the "We all know who the real criminals are" line. Typical. (BTW, check the dateline on some of those hits. Yes, Blacks are still confronted by White thugs--er, excuse me, patriots--threatening them with violence in public spaces in this first quarter of the 21st century.) I didn't equate centuries of brutality against anyone with a swim class. Segregation is wrong. That's what we are told. Discrimination based on race is wrong and against the law. It is that simple. And if you want to bring up white thugs and their violence against blacks then I will always counter with racial crime stats that are more recent. You are deflecting because you can't admit that there is racial segregation that benefits blacks and discriminates against other groups including whites which is again something you won't admit. Blacks in Canada can have their own racially segregated swim class because of something that happened in 1920's Alabama. Good grief. Don't be fatuous. Your whole line of argument on this thread has hinged on the notion that violent oppression of Blacks throughout American history is no worse than the fact that Whites are occasionally confronted with something like an all-Black swim team in the present, as though the two things held equal levels of moral weight. You're trying to deflect away from that fact by starting up with the 'Black people commit more crimes against Whites'--in point of fact, most Black-related crime figures pertain to Black on Black crime, which is more prevalent--and 'Black people get more societal benefits than anyone else' (i.e., of course, Whites). These arguments may go over big time in conservative land. Here, not so much.
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Feb 5, 2024 22:02:04 GMT
I didn't equate centuries of brutality against anyone with a swim class. Segregation is wrong. That's what we are told. Discrimination based on race is wrong and against the law. It is that simple. And if you want to bring up white thugs and their violence against blacks then I will always counter with racial crime stats that are more recent. You are deflecting because you can't admit that there is racial segregation that benefits blacks and discriminates against other groups including whites which is again something you won't admit. Blacks in Canada can have their own racially segregated swim class because of something that happened in 1920's Alabama. Good grief. Don't be fatuous. Your whole line of argument on this thread has hinged on the notion that violent oppression of Blacks throughout American history is no worse than the fact that Whites are occasionally confronted with something like an all-Black swim team in the present, as though the two things held equal levels of moral weight. You're trying to deflect away from that fact by starting up with the 'Black people commit more crimes against Whites'--in point of fact, most Black-related crime figures pertain to Black on Black crime, which is more prevalent--and 'Black people get more societal benefits than anyone else' (i.e., of course, Whites). These arguments may go over big time in conservative land. Here, not so much. No, you're deflecting away from the fact that segregation is considered racist and evil. People fought against it. There is racial segregation happening at Waterloo University in Canada. It's wrong and against the law. It even goes against their own code. You are trying to defend segregation by bringing up ancient history from a different era and country. Then you try and equate Canada 2024 with those incidents by implying they need their safe space in 2024 Canada because white people are violent. Just check again those racial crime stats in America. We're committed to creating a safe, inclusive space for everyone.uwaterloo.ca/future-students/student-life/inclusivity-diversity
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Post by amyghost on Feb 5, 2024 22:09:09 GMT
Don't be fatuous. Your whole line of argument on this thread has hinged on the notion that violent oppression of Blacks throughout American history is no worse than the fact that Whites are occasionally confronted with something like an all-Black swim team in the present, as though the two things held equal levels of moral weight. You're trying to deflect away from that fact by starting up with the 'Black people commit more crimes against Whites'--in point of fact, most Black-related crime figures pertain to Black on Black crime, which is more prevalent--and 'Black people get more societal benefits than anyone else' (i.e., of course, Whites). These arguments may go over big time in conservative land. Here, not so much. No, you're deflecting away from the fact that segregation is considered racist and evil. People fought against it. There is racial segregation happening at Waterloo University in Canada. It's wrong and against the law. It even goes against their own code. You are trying to defend segregation by bringing up ancient history from a different era and country. Then you try and equate Canada 2024 with those incidents by implying they need their safe space in 2024 Canada because white people are violent. Just check again those racial crime stats in America. We're committed to creating a safe, inclusive space for everyone.uwaterloo.ca/future-students/student-life/inclusivity-diversityAt the end of the day, you're equating decades of violent oppression of Blacks by a White majority with the supposedly heinous 'crime' of the fact of an exclusionary swim team. The comparison is ludicrous to anyone not committed to a Stormfront-style view on matters racial. Give it up already, it doesn't sound any better no matter how many times you repeat it.
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Feb 5, 2024 22:25:27 GMT
No, you're deflecting away from the fact that segregation is considered racist and evil. People fought against it. There is racial segregation happening at Waterloo University in Canada. It's wrong and against the law. It even goes against their own code. You are trying to defend segregation by bringing up ancient history from a different era and country. Then you try and equate Canada 2024 with those incidents by implying they need their safe space in 2024 Canada because white people are violent. Just check again those racial crime stats in America. We're committed to creating a safe, inclusive space for everyone.uwaterloo.ca/future-students/student-life/inclusivity-diversityAt the end of the day, you're equating decades of violent oppression of Blacks by a White majority with the supposedly heinous 'crime' of the fact of an exclusionary swim team. The comparison is ludicrous to anyone not committed to a Stormfront-style view on matters racial. Give it up already, it doesn't sound any better no matter how many times you repeat it. You're trying to equate racial violence in a different country or countries from decades ago to defend racial segregation in 2024. A segregated event in 2024 is wrong and against the law and against school policy. Why are you defending racial segregation?
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Post by amyghost on Feb 6, 2024 13:34:33 GMT
At the end of the day, you're equating decades of violent oppression of Blacks by a White majority with the supposedly heinous 'crime' of the fact of an exclusionary swim team. The comparison is ludicrous to anyone not committed to a Stormfront-style view on matters racial. Give it up already, it doesn't sound any better no matter how many times you repeat it. You're trying to equate racial violence in a different country or countries from decades ago to defend racial segregation in 2024. A segregated event in 2024 is wrong and against the law and against school policy. Why are you defending racial segregation? You're going to continue to beat that false equivalency narrative into the ground, because it's the only one you've got. When it fails to convince, you slip easily into the "you're defending (insert abomination of choice here)". Which is simply argument ad hominem, which is simply no argument at all. You have no counter-arguments beyond this; in Stormfront-land that's a workable tactic, I've no doubt. Outside of it you're going to have to do a little better than the ongoing spiel of 'decades of terroristic violence against a group/gee, they have an exclusionary swim team, that really annoys me' if you expect your arguments to be taken seriously.
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Feb 6, 2024 16:37:37 GMT
You're trying to equate racial violence in a different country or countries from decades ago to defend racial segregation in 2024. A segregated event in 2024 is wrong and against the law and against school policy. Why are you defending racial segregation? You're going to continue to beat that false equivalency narrative into the ground, because it's the only one you've got. When it fails to convince, you slip easily into the "you're defending (insert abomination of choice here)". Which is simply argument ad hominem, which is simply no argument at all. You have no counter-arguments beyond this; in Stormfront-land that's a workable tactic, I've no doubt. Outside of it you're going to have to do a little better than the ongoing spiel of 'decades of terroristic violence against a group/gee, they have an exclusionary swim team, that really annoys me' if you expect your arguments to be taken seriously. The policy in itself of racial segregation is evil and racist. Doesn't matter in 1954 or 2024. Doesn't matter about violence. The policy of racial segregation is wrong, against the law and school policy. it's a social taboo. So yeah, there is no difference in regard to segregation be it in 1954 Alabama or a Canadian University in 2024. Do you condemn the illegal practice of racial segregation at Waterloo University? You're not alone in turning a blind eye to racism as it seems the University administration, faculty and student body are looking the other way or even support the illegal practice of racial segregation. So much for their policy of diversity and inclusion. This is the kind of "racism' that causes outrage and calls for action and has the school and fraternity having to issue statements. A student wearing a black mask to a goth party. baylorlariat.com/2024/02/01/sorority-faces-backlash-for-member-in-blackface-mask/
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Post by amyghost on Feb 6, 2024 17:18:53 GMT
You're going to continue to beat that false equivalency narrative into the ground, because it's the only one you've got. When it fails to convince, you slip easily into the "you're defending (insert abomination of choice here)". Which is simply argument ad hominem, which is simply no argument at all. You have no counter-arguments beyond this; in Stormfront-land that's a workable tactic, I've no doubt. Outside of it you're going to have to do a little better than the ongoing spiel of 'decades of terroristic violence against a group/gee, they have an exclusionary swim team, that really annoys me' if you expect your arguments to be taken seriously. The policy in itself of racial segregation is evil and racist. Doesn't matter in 1954 or 2024. Doesn't matter about violence. The policy of racial segregation is wrong, against the law and school policy. it's a social taboo. So yeah, there is no difference in regard to segregation be it in 1954 Alabama or a Canadian University in 2024. Do you condemn the illegal practice of racial segregation at Waterloo University? You're not alone in turning a blind eye to racism as it seems the University administration, faculty and student body are looking the other way or even support the illegal practice of racial segregation. So much for their policy of diversity and inclusion. This is the kind of "racism' that causes outrage and calls for action and has the school and fraternity having to issue statements. A student wearing a black mask to a goth party. baylorlariat.com/2024/02/01/sorority-faces-backlash-for-member-in-blackface-mask/As I said before, you're not going to let go of the false equivalency narrative, because it's the only one you've got. The problem is, that at base, it's not a legitimate narrative and no amount of "you're turning a blind eye to racism" or "you support racism" does anything toward legitimizing it.
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Post by OffTheBoatPsycho on Feb 6, 2024 21:37:08 GMT
The policy in itself of racial segregation is evil and racist. Doesn't matter in 1954 or 2024. Doesn't matter about violence. The policy of racial segregation is wrong, against the law and school policy. it's a social taboo. So yeah, there is no difference in regard to segregation be it in 1954 Alabama or a Canadian University in 2024. Do you condemn the illegal practice of racial segregation at Waterloo University? You're not alone in turning a blind eye to racism as it seems the University administration, faculty and student body are looking the other way or even support the illegal practice of racial segregation. So much for their policy of diversity and inclusion. This is the kind of "racism' that causes outrage and calls for action and has the school and fraternity having to issue statements. A student wearing a black mask to a goth party. baylorlariat.com/2024/02/01/sorority-faces-backlash-for-member-in-blackface-mask/ As I said before, you're not going to let go of the false equivalency narrative, because it's the only one you've got. The problem is, that at base, it's not a legitimate narrative and no amount of "you're turning a blind eye to racism" or "you support racism" does anything toward legitimizing it. It is a fact. In 1954 if there was pool that didn't allow black people then that is racial discrimination and segregation. In 2024 if you're white and go for a swim and told it's for blacks only then that is also racial discrimination and segregation. In 2024 it's actually worse because we're supposed to know better and should have learned from past wrongs and also now it's against the law and in the case of Waterloo university it goes against their own policy of inclusion. How can a segregated class at a university be ok in 2024? We know that a chess club that doesn't have enough diversity and despite having no rules banning anyone based on race it still considered problematic and steps need to be taken. But blacks only? No problem. Nothing to see. Total racist hypocrisy.
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