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Post by hehatesshe on Jan 16, 2024 3:32:22 GMT
If we burn, you burn with us!
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Post by movielover on Jan 16, 2024 4:16:35 GMT
Watching the Eagles get their ass kicked in the playoffs made my day. They started the season 10-1, then lost 6 of 7. That’s an even bigger choke than the Cowboys.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 16, 2024 4:21:31 GMT
Watching the Eagles get their ass kicked made my day. They started the season 10-1, then lost 6 of 7. That’s even a bigger choke than the Cowboys. Watching them both go down in pathetic fashion in consecutive days was rather nice.
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Post by tristramshandy on Jan 16, 2024 4:39:36 GMT
Bills may need a punter for next week. Matt Ariza is available.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Jan 16, 2024 4:39:59 GMT
And for a Cowboys fan watching the Eagles and Steelers go out today talked me off the ledge.
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Post by Shane Falco on Jan 16, 2024 5:03:57 GMT
Dak should never be confused with Tom Brady or Peyton Manning but he's better than, say, Kirk Cousins. If Jones had hired a competent coach instead of Mike McCarthy things could have worked out differently. I just don't understand why teams keep doing the same things over and over again yet expect different results. Exactly! All these talking heads saying get rid of Dak and get rid of McCarthy. McCarthy, yes. Didn't like the hire and he is maddening to watch. Plus look at the names out there like Belichick, Vrabel, Harbaugh, etc. McCarthy should be fired by lunch and they should have already reached out to all of those guys. I'm actually rooting for not only Buff but Philly to win also so if gives Dallas this week to get one of them. If Buff or Philly lose, they'll be in on them too. Easy to say replace Dak but with who? Who is out there? I'll keep him with a good coach. Had on ESPN radio while driving to a Doctor appointment this morning and I believe the show is called Unsportsmanlike and one of the talking heads was Chris Canty with a girl and another guy. I forget which one suggested it but they floated trading Dak to New England for the #3 pick and taking a QB. They imo gave it way to much thought as I thought to myself, why would New England do this in this weird scenario? I get the knee jerk reaction to wanting to get rid of Dak its what gives these shows something to talk about. It just gets annoying when they suggest the idea but never suggest a better option. Its always just a blank "draft a guy" as if that will automatically make the Cowboys better. McCarthy should definitely be let go but I dont see where or how they can just upgrade from Dak. He is still in the top 10 range of QBs in the league and more than half the league would be lucky to have him. The only realistic options are Cousins, Fields, Rus and I'd take Dak over all three of them. The talking heads seem to never understand it could be a lot worse than Dak. Its just a far too easy thing to suggest moving on.
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Post by NJtoTX on Jan 16, 2024 5:48:38 GMT
Ravens favored by 9 1/2 49ers favored by 9 1/2
Lions favored by 6 Bills favored by 2 1/2
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Post by tristramshandy on Jan 16, 2024 7:00:21 GMT
Exactly! All these talking heads saying get rid of Dak and get rid of McCarthy. McCarthy, yes. Didn't like the hire and he is maddening to watch. Plus look at the names out there like Belichick, Vrabel, Harbaugh, etc. McCarthy should be fired by lunch and they should have already reached out to all of those guys. I'm actually rooting for not only Buff but Philly to win also so if gives Dallas this week to get one of them. If Buff or Philly lose, they'll be in on them too. Easy to say replace Dak but with who? Who is out there? I'll keep him with a good coach. Had on ESPN radio while driving to a Doctor appointment this morning and I believe the show is called Unsportsmanlike and one of the talking heads was Chris Canty with a girl and another guy. I forget which one suggested it but they floated trading Dak to New England for the #3 pick and taking a QB. They imo gave it way to much thought as I thought to myself, why would New England do this in this weird scenario? I get the knee jerk reaction to wanting to get rid of Dak its what gives these shows something to talk about. It just gets annoying when they suggest the idea but never suggest a better option. Its always just a blank "draft a guy" as if that will automatically make the Cowboys better. McCarthy should definitely be let go but I dont see where or how they can just upgrade from Dak. He is still in the top 10 range of QBs in the league and more than half the league would be lucky to have him. The only realistic options are Cousins, Fields, Rus and I'd take Dak over all three of them. The talking heads seem to never understand it could be a lot worse than Dak. Its just a far too easy thing to suggest moving on. Isn't Prescott now 2-5 in the playoffs? He seems like a Kirk Cousins/Derek Carr level of player. This feels like the ceiling. Next year, he is taking up almost 24% of Dallas's cap - - $59 million. Lamb and Parsons need to get paid. For me, such a trade seems more puzzling for New England than Dallas.
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Post by Winston Wolfe on Jan 16, 2024 15:22:30 GMT
Kelce retiring.
Not the Swift one, the other one.
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Post by Shane Falco on Jan 16, 2024 16:24:53 GMT
Had on ESPN radio while driving to a Doctor appointment this morning and I believe the show is called Unsportsmanlike and one of the talking heads was Chris Canty with a girl and another guy. I forget which one suggested it but they floated trading Dak to New England for the #3 pick and taking a QB. They imo gave it way to much thought as I thought to myself, why would New England do this in this weird scenario? I get the knee jerk reaction to wanting to get rid of Dak its what gives these shows something to talk about. It just gets annoying when they suggest the idea but never suggest a better option. Its always just a blank "draft a guy" as if that will automatically make the Cowboys better. McCarthy should definitely be let go but I dont see where or how they can just upgrade from Dak. He is still in the top 10 range of QBs in the league and more than half the league would be lucky to have him. The only realistic options are Cousins, Fields, Rus and I'd take Dak over all three of them. The talking heads seem to never understand it could be a lot worse than Dak. Its just a far too easy thing to suggest moving on. Isn't Prescott now 2-5 in the playoffs? He seems like a Kirk Cousins/Derek Carr level of player. This feels like the ceiling. Next year, he is taking up almost 24% of Dallas's cap - - $59 million. Lamb and Parsons need to get paid. For me, such a trade seems more puzzling for New England than Dallas.I thought the same as stated above. NE is not in a win now mode so it made no sense. I just have an issue with talking heads acting like any random rookie you draft will somehow be an improvement on Dak as if rookie QBs don't have high bust rates. Truth is Dak is still a top 3rd QB. Unlike Cousins or Carr, Dak is coming off an MVP caliber best year of his career. Sure, he didn't play well in the playoffs but its just not as easy to move on and get better as tv analysts want you to believe. I understand possibly not eager to extend him but the idea that you could easily upgrade on him imo is delusional. He is still their best shot at a Super Bowl with an upgrade at head coach. Truth is, its not like the defense did their part against GB either. It wasn't just Dak that played bad, Dallas collectively shit the bed and thats on coaching and preparation.
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Post by mtbg on Jan 16, 2024 17:23:33 GMT
Exactly! All these talking heads saying get rid of Dak and get rid of McCarthy. McCarthy, yes. Didn't like the hire and he is maddening to watch. Plus look at the names out there like Belichick, Vrabel, Harbaugh, etc. McCarthy should be fired by lunch and they should have already reached out to all of those guys. I'm actually rooting for not only Buff but Philly to win also so if gives Dallas this week to get one of them. If Buff or Philly lose, they'll be in on them too. Easy to say replace Dak but with who? Who is out there? I'll keep him with a good coach. Had on ESPN radio while driving to a Doctor appointment this morning and I believe the show is called Unsportsmanlike and one of the talking heads was Chris Canty with a girl and another guy. I forget which one suggested it but they floated trading Dak to New England for the #3 pick and taking a QB. They imo gave it way to much thought as I thought to myself, why would New England do this in this weird scenario? I get the knee jerk reaction to wanting to get rid of Dak its what gives these shows something to talk about. It just gets annoying when they suggest the idea but never suggest a better option. Its always just a blank "draft a guy" as if that will automatically make the Cowboys better. McCarthy should definitely be let go but I dont see where or how they can just upgrade from Dak. He is still in the top 10 range of QBs in the league and more than half the league would be lucky to have him. The only realistic options are Cousins, Fields, Rus and I'd take Dak over all three of them. The talking heads seem to never understand it could be a lot worse than Dak. Its just a far too easy thing to suggest moving on. They talk just to fill time on those shows. Show me an actual plan. I would take Dak over those guys as well. The price has to be considered though. How much could you get those guys for over what you are going to have to pay Dak? Lamb and Parsons need to get paid too. I don't know how much those QBs would cost so I can't say they should or shouldn't.
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Post by mtbg on Jan 16, 2024 17:25:32 GMT
Had on ESPN radio while driving to a Doctor appointment this morning and I believe the show is called Unsportsmanlike and one of the talking heads was Chris Canty with a girl and another guy. I forget which one suggested it but they floated trading Dak to New England for the #3 pick and taking a QB. They imo gave it way to much thought as I thought to myself, why would New England do this in this weird scenario? I get the knee jerk reaction to wanting to get rid of Dak its what gives these shows something to talk about. It just gets annoying when they suggest the idea but never suggest a better option. Its always just a blank "draft a guy" as if that will automatically make the Cowboys better. McCarthy should definitely be let go but I dont see where or how they can just upgrade from Dak. He is still in the top 10 range of QBs in the league and more than half the league would be lucky to have him. The only realistic options are Cousins, Fields, Rus and I'd take Dak over all three of them. The talking heads seem to never understand it could be a lot worse than Dak. Its just a far too easy thing to suggest moving on. Isn't Prescott now 2-5 in the playoffs? He seems like a Kirk Cousins/Derek Carr level of player. This feels like the ceiling. Next year, he is taking up almost 24% of Dallas's cap - - $59 million. Lamb and Parsons need to get paid. For me, such a trade seems more puzzling for New England than Dallas. I think he's definitely better than Carr. I could see Cousins though, depending on the price difference. If you could get Cousins for much cheaper than Dak, you do it. If the price is the same or close, you' don't imo. I agree in that I don't see the Pats doing this.
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Post by tristramshandy on Jan 16, 2024 17:40:30 GMT
Isn't Prescott now 2-5 in the playoffs? He seems like a Kirk Cousins/Derek Carr level of player. This feels like the ceiling. Next year, he is taking up almost 24% of Dallas's cap - - $59 million. Lamb and Parsons need to get paid. For me, such a trade seems more puzzling for New England than Dallas.I thought the same as stated above. NE is not in a win now mode so it made no sense. I just have an issue with talking heads acting like any random rookie you draft will somehow be an improvement on Dak as if rookie QBs don't have high bust rates. Truth is Dak is still a top 3rd QB. Unlike Cousins or Carr, Dak is coming off an MVP caliber best year of his career. Sure, he didn't play well in the playoffs but its just not as easy to move on and get better as tv analysts want you to believe. I understand possibly not eager to extend him but the idea that you could easily upgrade on him imo is delusional. He is still their best shot at a Super Bowl with an upgrade at head coach. Truth is, its not like the defense did their part against GB either. It wasn't just Dak that played bad, Dallas collectively shit the bed and thats on coaching and preparation. If you extrapolate Cousin's stats to the whole season, he's almost exactly Dak: Prescott: 4516 yards, 36 touchdowns, 9 interceptions, 105.9 QB rating. Cousins: 4662 yards, 36 touchdowns, 10 interceptions, 103.8 QB rating (for 16 games - - he played 8, so I just doubled everything). Both are above average quarterbacks. But who would you take over them? Mahomes Allen Burrow Jackson Stroud Love Then you get into questions. Hurts got to a Super Bowl. So did Goff. Stafford won a Super Bowl. Is Rodgers too old now? What do you think of Herbert? What about Tua? Lawrence? So I can buy top third of the league - - but you have to say top third because you can't say top quarter. One more comparison: here are Dak's career numbers: 114 games; 29,459 yards, 202 touchdowns, 74 interceptions, 99.0 passer rating, 73-41 record as starter, 2-5 in the playoffs. Here is another quarterback's numbers: 156 games; 34,183 yards, 248 touchdowns, 117 interceptions, 97.1 passer rating, 78-49 record as starter, 2-4 in the playoffs. The second quarterback is Tony Romo. Dallas just went through this. As much as anyone, they should be able to see a quarterback with a ceiling. It's an unenviable position to be in. Do you keep on throwing more money at a quarterback who is somewhere around the 10th-12th best quarterback in the league?
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Post by tristramshandy on Jan 16, 2024 17:45:56 GMT
Isn't Prescott now 2-5 in the playoffs? He seems like a Kirk Cousins/Derek Carr level of player. This feels like the ceiling. Next year, he is taking up almost 24% of Dallas's cap - - $59 million. Lamb and Parsons need to get paid. For me, such a trade seems more puzzling for New England than Dallas. I think he's definitely better than Carr. I could see Cousins though, depending on the price difference. If you could get Cousins for much cheaper than Dak, you do it. If the price is the same or close, you' don't imo. I agree in that I don't see the Pats doing this. To be clear, I think he's better than Carr too. And I also think he's better than Cincinnati Andy Dalton. But the idea that somebody can take you to the playoffs but can never do anything once you get there is more the curse. I'm living this right now at the coaching level. Yeah, 17 straight years of not having a losing season is nice. But when 24 organizations have more recently won a playoff game than your team has, it's not enough. Most Steelers fans are ready to move on from Tomlin. 9-8 records with playoff curb stomps lose their appeal over time.
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Post by NJtoTX on Jan 16, 2024 17:52:07 GMT
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Post by mtbg on Jan 16, 2024 17:57:33 GMT
I think he's definitely better than Carr. I could see Cousins though, depending on the price difference. If you could get Cousins for much cheaper than Dak, you do it. If the price is the same or close, you' don't imo. I agree in that I don't see the Pats doing this. To be clear, I think he's better than Carr too. And I also think he's better than Cincinnati Andy Dalton. But the idea that somebody can take you to the playoffs but can never do anything once you get there is more the curse. I'm living this right now at the coaching level. Yeah, 17 straight years of not having a losing season is nice. But when 24 organizations have more recently won a playoff game than your team has, it's not enough. Most Steelers fans are ready to move on from Tomlin. 9-8 records with playoff curb stomps lose their appeal over time. I hear you. A Steeler fan buddy of mine asked if I would want Tomlin, knowing I can't stand McCarthy. My response was, why bother? Dallas doesn't need help making the playoffs. McCarthy is winning 12 games a year. Dallas needs help in the Postseason, in which Tomlin isn't an upgrade, imo.
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Post by Shane Falco on Jan 16, 2024 18:32:09 GMT
I thought the same as stated above. NE is not in a win now mode so it made no sense. I just have an issue with talking heads acting like any random rookie you draft will somehow be an improvement on Dak as if rookie QBs don't have high bust rates. Truth is Dak is still a top 3rd QB. Unlike Cousins or Carr, Dak is coming off an MVP caliber best year of his career. Sure, he didn't play well in the playoffs but its just not as easy to move on and get better as tv analysts want you to believe. I understand possibly not eager to extend him but the idea that you could easily upgrade on him imo is delusional. He is still their best shot at a Super Bowl with an upgrade at head coach. Truth is, its not like the defense did their part against GB either. It wasn't just Dak that played bad, Dallas collectively shit the bed and thats on coaching and preparation. If you extrapolate Cousin's stats to the whole season, he's almost exactly Dak: Prescott: 4516 yards, 36 touchdowns, 9 interceptions, 105.9 QB rating. Cousins: 4662 yards, 36 touchdowns, 10 interceptions, 103.8 QB rating (for 16 games - - he played 8, so I just doubled everything). Both are above average quarterbacks. But who would you take over them? Mahomes Allen Burrow Jackson Stroud Love Then you get into questions. Hurts got to a Super Bowl. So did Goff. Stafford won a Super Bowl. Is Rodgers too old now? What do you think of Herbert? What about Tua? Lawrence? So I can buy top third of the league - - but you have to say top third because you can't say top quarter. One more comparison: here are Dak's career numbers: 114 games; 29,459 yards, 202 touchdowns, 74 interceptions, 99.0 passer rating, 73-41 record as starter, 2-5 in the playoffs. Here is another quarterback's numbers: 156 games; 34,183 yards, 248 touchdowns, 117 interceptions, 97.1 passer rating, 78-49 record as starter, 2-4 in the playoffs. The second quarterback is Tony Romo. Dallas just went through this. As much as anyone, they should be able to see a quarterback with a ceiling. It's an unenviable position to be in. Do you keep on throwing more money at a quarterback who is somewhere around the 10th-12th best quarterback in the league? A QBs record I will never give merit because those are team stats not a single players. These are who I would take over Dak. Mahomes Allen Lamar Burrow Stroud Herbert Hurts Love Thats probably it. You then get to the category of Dak, Stafford, Cousins, Goff, Purdy. (Not going to include Rodgers based on injuries last 2 years) All of which are good but can be interchangeable on a whim. So Dak can easily rank anywhere from 8 to 13. Just doubling Cousins numbers is an easy thing to do but we can't just assume that's how the rest of his season would have gone. I agree that id be hesitant to continue throwing money at him. However my issue as I've stated is you better have a clear cut upgrade/plan because just moving on for the sake of moving on isn't a good one. Out of the options available he imo is still their best chance at winning unless they have seen something in Trey Lance. If they had a coach top tier like a Kyle Shanahan I'd be more convinced they can upgrade quickly like 9ers did with Purdy. Which is why I think best case to compete next year is upgrading at HC but sticking with Dak.
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Post by Shane Falco on Jan 16, 2024 18:51:45 GMT
Had on ESPN radio while driving to a Doctor appointment this morning and I believe the show is called Unsportsmanlike and one of the talking heads was Chris Canty with a girl and another guy. I forget which one suggested it but they floated trading Dak to New England for the #3 pick and taking a QB. They imo gave it way to much thought as I thought to myself, why would New England do this in this weird scenario? I get the knee jerk reaction to wanting to get rid of Dak its what gives these shows something to talk about. It just gets annoying when they suggest the idea but never suggest a better option. Its always just a blank "draft a guy" as if that will automatically make the Cowboys better. McCarthy should definitely be let go but I dont see where or how they can just upgrade from Dak. He is still in the top 10 range of QBs in the league and more than half the league would be lucky to have him. The only realistic options are Cousins, Fields, Rus and I'd take Dak over all three of them. The talking heads seem to never understand it could be a lot worse than Dak. Its just a far too easy thing to suggest moving on. They talk just to fill time on those shows. Show me an actual plan. I would take Dak over those guys as well. The price has to be considered though. How much could you get those guys for over what you are going to have to pay Dak? Lamb and Parsons need to get paid too. I don't know how much those QBs would cost so I can't say they should or shouldn't. Cousins I think gets a similar Dak number so a move to him at best is a lateral one which makes no sense. Rus likely cheaper but is seemingly in a decline so I wouldn't invest in him at all. Fields you have to factor in the trade to get him (my guess is a 2nd rounder) as well as the contract extension he will require which he hasn't earned yet imo. So none of these realistic options to move on from Dak are viable upgrades to me. Ryan Tannehill would be cheaper too but again I dont view that as an upgrade even if cheaper. You'd be banking on a Baker Mayfield like year from him at cheap. The Bucs really had no choice. The Cowboys would actively be making that decision to view it as an upgrade. I would let Dak play next season in the last year of his deal. Upgrade at HC and see how it goes next year. This year was likely their best shot so the loss is horrible. I just don't see a path to currently upgrade over Dak. Also we can't forget what dead cap would cost the Cowboys from moving on from Dak. According to spotrac his dead cap next year is $61 million. Eating that plus signing a guy for cheaper isn't really cheaper at all. Which again is why next year Dak is their best option.
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Post by Tim05 on Jan 16, 2024 19:06:33 GMT
Had on ESPN radio while driving to a Doctor appointment this morning and I believe the show is called Unsportsmanlike and one of the talking heads was Chris Canty with a girl and another guy. I forget which one suggested it but they floated trading Dak to New England for the #3 pick and taking a QB. They imo gave it way to much thought as I thought to myself, why would New England do this in this weird scenario? I get the knee jerk reaction to wanting to get rid of Dak its what gives these shows something to talk about. It just gets annoying when they suggest the idea but never suggest a better option. Its always just a blank "draft a guy" as if that will automatically make the Cowboys better. McCarthy should definitely be let go but I dont see where or how they can just upgrade from Dak. He is still in the top 10 range of QBs in the league and more than half the league would be lucky to have him. The only realistic options are Cousins, Fields, Rus and I'd take Dak over all three of them. The talking heads seem to never understand it could be a lot worse than Dak. Its just a far too easy thing to suggest moving on. Isn't Prescott now 2-5 in the playoffs? He seems like a Kirk Cousins/Derek Carr level of player. This feels like the ceiling. Next year, he is taking up almost 24% of Dallas's cap - - $59 million. Lamb and Parsons need to get paid. For me, such a trade seems more puzzling for New England than Dallas. Yeah, I don't think New England ever does this, with them bringing in a new coach too. New coach, draft a QB and start the slate clean. If Belichick stayed, I could see this as being a potential "try to win now" scenario, but I don't think the Patriots reloading at coach after 2 decades gives any indication they'd ever do that. The Cowboys somewhat remind me of the Bears with Jay Cutler - albeit the teams are better than the Bears had, but the Bears were constantly in the decision every offseason of what to do with Cutler. In that mid area of a top 8-15 quarterback, and the decision of trying to shoot your shot and move up to the elite levels vs the downside (and more probably) of getting someone worse. It's not a great spot to be, but I think you stick with Dak. I sort of love how the conversation is about Dak when your top tier defense had no answer early on - that defense folded, and I'm not sure anyone behind center was bringing them back in that game.
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Post by Shane Falco on Jan 16, 2024 19:13:25 GMT
Isn't Prescott now 2-5 in the playoffs? He seems like a Kirk Cousins/Derek Carr level of player. This feels like the ceiling. Next year, he is taking up almost 24% of Dallas's cap - - $59 million. Lamb and Parsons need to get paid. For me, such a trade seems more puzzling for New England than Dallas. Yeah, I don't think New England ever does this, with them bringing in a new coach too. New coach, draft a QB and start the slate clean. If Belichick stayed, I could see this as being a potential "try to win now" scenario, but I don't think the Patriots reloading at coach after 2 decades gives any indication they'd ever do that. The Cowboys somewhat remind me of the Bears with Jay Cutler - albeit the teams are better than the Bears had, but the Bears were constantly in the decision every offseason of what to do with Cutler. In that mid area of a top 8-15 quarterback, and the decision of trying to shoot your shot and move up to the elite levels vs the downside (and more probably) of getting someone worse. It's not a great spot to be, but I think you stick with Dak. I sort of love how the conversation is about Dak when your top tier defense had no answer early on - that defense folded, and I'm not sure anyone behind center was bringing them back in that game.Thats my feeling as well. Nobody came out of that game feeling they did their part. From top to bottom they shat the bed. From McCarthy to Quinn to Dak to everyone. They seemed entirely unprepared and that speaks to coaching for me. The Cowboys are not in an enviable spot but this is not entirely Daks fault.
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