The Lost One
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Post by The Lost One on Mar 9, 2024 3:08:01 GMT
If you happen to live in a country that is surrounded by neighbouring countries that are hell-bent on your own destruction, please let me know how your country handles this. Such reasoning could be used to justify Hamas' actions too - 'if Israel is hell-bent on the subjugation and slaughter of Palestinians, then Israel must be destroyed by any means necessary to protect Palestinian lives.' Maybe we should simply reject any plan of survival that requires the slaughter of innocents and support peaceful strategies instead. Apart from anything else, Israel's strategy only protects it temporarily anyway as it's reliant on continued support from the West. If the West's priorities change and it ends up abandoning Israel, it will be destroyed by its neighbours. A peaceful solution to the conflict would therefore be better for Israel too.
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Post by clusium on Mar 10, 2024 19:36:29 GMT
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Post by clusium on Mar 11, 2024 21:02:06 GMT
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Post by clusium on Mar 11, 2024 21:36:30 GMT
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Post by clusium on Mar 11, 2024 23:49:17 GMT
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Post by clusium on Mar 12, 2024 12:00:19 GMT
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Post by clusium on Mar 12, 2024 19:58:06 GMT
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Post by dividavi on Mar 25, 2024 21:14:01 GMT
Who says? Why do Jews have more right to the land than Palestinians? Genetic analysis suggests both have ties to the land going back thousands of years. Even if the Palestinians had no claim to the land though, it doesn't justify their treatment. The Gazans/Palestinians have made it clear that they want the physical extermination of all Jews, especially those in Israel. The Jews do not desire the 1-2 million Arabs in Israel to be murdered. That makes the Jews fit to to fight their would-be assassins and makes the Gazans unfit to live with anybody but themselves. The scale of death and destruction being unleashed on Gaza is far greater than anything Hamas has done to Israel and most of the victims are civilians, many of them children. Supporting the mass killing of innocents as some sort of conditional punishment for the actions of Hamas is basically the same justification Hamas used for the 7 October Massacre only on an even grander scale. The Muslim pigs decided to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the Yom Kippur War by a mass murder of Jews. The people of Gaza supported that action. If the gazans wanted peace they could overthrow Hamas and end this conflict. But they support hamas. So they're going to suffer. It's a bit hard to follow from the video, but it seems there was a pro-Israel rally and a protest against that by pro-Palestinians. Yes, and the video starts with some pro-Palestinian attacking a pro-Israeli, as indicated by his blue and white flag. I don't think it's antisemitic or pro-Hamas to be against the genocide Israel is currently carrying out. Also, I saw plenty of harassment on both sides. I'm glad you think that way. After all, there's nothing anti-semitic about advocating a course of action that will (1) keep the hostages imprisoned, (2) allow the Hamas organization to survive and kill any Jews they can grab, and (3) let the Gazans send missiles into Israel whenever they get the urge. Nope, nothing anti-semitic about that. And of course there's nothing anti-semitic about you when you appear to knowingly lie and describe Israeli policy as genocide. I guess the Allies in WW2 weren't really the good-guys, but rather genocidal criminals as proven by the killing murder of 4,440,000 to 5,318,000 German soldiers and 1-2 million German civilians. And let's not forget the US genocide in Korea where something like 10% of the North Korean population died in 1950-1953. Then there's Vietnam and Afghanistan.
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Post by clusium on Mar 25, 2024 22:40:23 GMT
Who says? Why do Jews have more right to the land than Palestinians? Genetic analysis suggests both have ties to the land going back thousands of years. Even if the Palestinians had no claim to the land though, it doesn't justify their treatment. The Gazans/Palestinians have made it clear that they want the physical extermination of all Jews, especially those in Israel. The Jews do not desire the 1-2 million Arabs in Israel to be murdered. That makes the Jews fit to to fight their would-be assassins and makes the Gazans unfit to live with anybody but themselves. The scale of death and destruction being unleashed on Gaza is far greater than anything Hamas has done to Israel and most of the victims are civilians, many of them children. Supporting the mass killing of innocents as some sort of conditional punishment for the actions of Hamas is basically the same justification Hamas used for the 7 October Massacre only on an even grander scale. The Muslim pigs decided to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the Yom Kippur War by a mass murder of Jews. The people of Gaza supported that action. If the gazans wanted peace they could overthrow Hamas and end this conflict. But they support hamas. So they're going to suffer. It's a bit hard to follow from the video, but it seems there was a pro-Israel rally and a protest against that by pro-Palestinians. Yes, and the video starts with some pro-Palestinian attacking a pro-Israeli, as indicated by his blue and white flag. I don't think it's antisemitic or pro-Hamas to be against the genocide Israel is currently carrying out. Also, I saw plenty of harassment on both sides. I'm glad you think that way. After all, there's nothing anti-semitic about advocating a course of action that will (1) keep the hostages imprisoned, (2) allow the Hamas organization to survive and kill any Jews they can grab, and (3) let the Gazans send missiles into Israel whenever they get the urge. Nope, nothing anti-semitic about that. And of course there's nothing anti-semitic about you when you appear to knowingly lie and describe Israeli policy as genocide. I guess the Allies in WW2 weren't really the good-guys, but rather genocidal criminals as proven by the killing murder of 4,440,000 to 5,318,000 German soldiers and 1-2 million German civilians. And let's not forget the US genocide in Korea where something like 10% of the North Korean population died in 1950-1953. Then there's Vietnam and Afghanistan. As you already know, dividavi, I'm not Jewish myself. However, I am well aware that it is getting more & more unsafe for people who are Jewish, here in the GTA. I used to live in Thornhill Ontario, & I am very familiar with that synagogue that was harassed a few few weeks ago. Where I currently reside, I have found several pro-hamas posters glued onto lamp posts (which I have tried, with only some success to tear off). These are only the tip of the iceberg about what is happening in this city right now. Right now, the Jewish community in the GTA are .
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The Lost One
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Post by The Lost One on Mar 26, 2024 15:20:55 GMT
The Gazans/Palestinians have made it clear that they want the physical extermination of all Jews, especially those in Israel. Have they though? Or are you taking the views of the most extreme to be the view of the whole? www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/polls-show-majority-gazans-were-against-breaking-ceasefire-hamas-and-hezbollahWeak argument - Hamas could argue by the same token that all Israelis deserve to suffer for not overthrowing Bibi. There are reasons both sides have rallied behind violent hardliners. Responding with escalating violence isn't going to solve anything. Plus, plenty of those Gazans are small children. Do they deserved to be slaughtered, starved, orphaned and dismembered in their thousands because their parents won't overthrow Hamas? Does it? I see an Israeli-supporter shoving a Palestinian supporter at the start of the video. Granted he had come over to their side so maybe he was heckling them or was violent before the camera came on so I wouldn't read too much into that, but based on what we see, the pro-Israel side goes physical first. The current tactic doesn't seem to be doing a good job of freeing hostages. A ceasefire might especially if it's on the basis of freeing all hostages including those Gazans Israel has detained without trial. The heavy-handed approach is likely to swell support for Hamas, especially as their leaders aren't even in Gaza anyway. Since when do brutal tactics discourage terrorism? There's definitely questions to be asked if the Allies could have fought the Axis powers in a less bloody way though at least they were dealing with a force of similar magnitude and could perhaps argue that their actions ultimately saved more lives than they took. That's not true with Israel and Gaza. Israel has far greater firepower and the wholesale slaughter its unleashing dwarfs any violence Hamas could ever do. That's not to say Hamas' violence should be tolerated, but this is not the way to address it. Nor do I suspect that is really the goal so much as the justification. I don't think the US's actions in any of those conflicts were justified so I don't see your point. I don't know if they were necessarily genocide as I don't think the goal in any of them was to destroy the people so much as get them to submit to the US. But they were still horrific and the US (and those who supported them) deserve to be condemned for their role just as harshly as I condemn the Israeli government now.
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