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Post by OrsonSwelles on Mar 26, 2017 21:14:54 GMT
Great tribal idea. Malcolm gone sucks. So did JT tell them it was Sierra? Weren't they voting under the assumption the other tribe didn't have a HII anyway? Or were they shown being upset at JT next week because he didn't lie about who was being targeted and so allow an idol to be played for the right person? |
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Post by OrsonSwelles on Mar 28, 2017 18:27:48 GMT
According to Malcolm's exit interview JT told Brad they were voting for Sierra. JT realizing they were targeting Malcolm wanted his tribe to change the vote (probably because he knew they had a HII) but as we saw Sandra said to 'stick with the plan.'
Malcolm said Sierra is known to have never spent any time looking for a HII so they picked her rather than Brad, presumably not expecting someone else (Tai) to share it.
In case anyone is hating on Sandra, he came across as liking her and that what she's saying about being the queen is just smack talk, not to be taken too seriously. Sounds like if she gets to Final tribal she could possibly be liked enough to win again.
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Post by paperdollz on Mar 30, 2017 1:27:00 GMT
So far so good. Ciera-- never liked her so I was happy to see her go. Tony-- entertaining player but not someone I wanted to see win. Caleb-- had no problem with him but would rather see Hali stay. She's by far the best looking and I have no memory of her so no idea if I disliked her previously but so far she's been ok. The longer Sandra stays, and as long as JT doesn't win, then the claim of her being the best all-time player just becomes more.... 'factual.' Yeah buddy are you a happy fellow ? I am one happy B right now lol . I'm screaming like as if this was the super bowl and the Philadelphia Eagles just won . That tribal thou Jesus Christ ! They played that to the T . Just so that J.T. felt safe and he so so did. J.T. legit thought everything was smoothed over from last Tribal ?!!? J.T. pissed about sugar and calling someone else a baby dude the million is way more important . Now he can go to Kroger , or Piggly Wiggly and get as much sugar as he wants . Vivat Malcolm xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo That is why Sandra is there ! I can see why she wins she is like a modern day Svengali ..... |
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Post by OrsonSwelles on Mar 30, 2017 2:33:39 GMT
So far so good. Ciera-- never liked her so I was happy to see her go. Tony-- entertaining player but not someone I wanted to see win. Caleb-- had no problem with him but would rather see Hali stay. She's by far the best looking and I have no memory of her so no idea if I disliked her previously but so far she's been ok. The longer Sandra stays, and as long as JT doesn't win, then the claim of her being the best all-time player just becomes more.... 'factual.' Yeah buddy are you a happy fellow ? I am one happy B right now lol . I'm screaming like as if this was the super bowl and the Philadelphia Eagles just won . That tribal thou Jesus Christ ! They played that to the T . Just so that J.T. felt safe and he so so did. J.T. legit thought everything was smoothed over from last Tribal ?!!? J.T. pissed about sugar and calling someone else a baby dude the million is way more important . Now he can go to Kroger , or Piggly Wiggly and get as much sugar as he wants . Vivat Malcolm xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo That is why Sandra is there ! I can see why she wins she is like a modern day Svengali ..... She's not my fave to win so I wouldn't be too upset if she didn't but the closer she gets to the end the more I'd want to see her win. I'd love to see Sandra haters who think she wasn't a deserving winner explain away a third victory. (I'd be shocked if she's allowed to get anywhere near final tribal) |
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Post by Flynn on Mar 30, 2017 5:16:04 GMT
Yeah buddy are you a happy fellow ? I am one happy B right now lol . I'm screaming like as if this was the super bowl and the Philadelphia Eagles just won . That tribal thou Jesus Christ ! They played that to the T . Just so that J.T. felt safe and he so so did. J.T. legit thought everything was smoothed over from last Tribal ?!!? J.T. pissed about sugar and calling someone else a baby dude the million is way more important . Now he can go to Kroger , or Piggly Wiggly and get as much sugar as he wants . Vivat Malcolm xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo That is why Sandra is there ! I can see why she wins she is like a modern day Svengali ..... She's not my fave to win so I wouldn't be too upset if she didn't but the closer she gets to the end the more I'd want to see her win. I'd love to see Sandra haters who think she wasn't a deserving winner explain away a third victory. (I'd be shocked if she's allowed to get anywhere near final tribal) Sandra is playing differently this season. If she makes it to the end this season, it will be the first time she deserved to win. |
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Post by OrsonSwelles on Mar 30, 2017 5:32:22 GMT
She's not my fave to win so I wouldn't be too upset if she didn't but the closer she gets to the end the more I'd want to see her win. I'd love to see Sandra haters who think she wasn't a deserving winner explain away a third victory. (I'd be shocked if she's allowed to get anywhere near final tribal) Sandra is playing differently this season. If she makes it to the end this season, it will be the first time she deserved to win. You're saying you think someone who made final tribal in her 2 seasons should've been voted to win over her? |
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Post by badhabit on Mar 30, 2017 8:47:02 GMT
Well. So much for me hoping JT could redeem himself.
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Post by Flynn on Mar 30, 2017 16:37:36 GMT
Sandra is playing differently this season. If she makes it to the end this season, it will be the first time she deserved to win. You're saying you think someone who made final tribal in her 2 seasons should've been voted to win over her? I pretty much forget a season of Survivor about two months after it ends, and I have never rewatched a season (I wouldn't even know where to find a full season of episodes). As a result, my memory of details can be foggy. With that said, I do remember that her second victory was due completely to people not wanting to vote for Russell. He controlled that season, and he only lost because the players resented him for playing them. Sandra won because she was the lesser of two evils. I seem to remember that Sandra's first victory was similar. In previous seasons, Sandra was like a barnacle. She tagged along to a greater threat and managed to slip by with just enough notice to win but never enough to have a target on her back. She is playing differently this season. She is playing from a leadership position. She is in the face of others and is openly bragging about her prowess in the game. If she wins, it will be well deserved, in my opinion for the first time. |
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Post by Flynn on Mar 30, 2017 16:42:59 GMT
Well. So much for me hoping JT could redeem himself. It is completely incomprehensible to me why someone would not bring a HII to Tribal Council. It became clear that it was either Michaela or him, and if I were in his shoes, I'd play an idol if it were a 50% proposition that I'd be going home. |
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Post by OrsonSwelles on Mar 30, 2017 18:50:27 GMT
You're saying you think someone who made final tribal in her 2 seasons should've been voted to win over her? I pretty much forget a season of Survivor about two months after it ends, and I have never rewatched a season (I wouldn't even know where to find a full season of episodes). As a result, my memory of details can be foggy. With that said, I do remember that her second victory was due completely to people not wanting to vote for Russell. He controlled that season, and he only lost because the players resented him for playing them. Sandra won because she was the lesser of two evils. I seem to remember that Sandra's first victory was similar. In previous seasons, Sandra was like a barnacle. She tagged along to a greater threat and managed to slip by with just enough notice to win but never enough to have a target on her back. She is playing differently this season. She is playing from a leadership position. She is in the face of others and is openly bragging about her prowess in the game. If she wins, it will be well deserved, in my opinion for the first time. So you're saying only people who get to the end via 'leadership' (whatever that means) 'deserve' to win? Who gets blamed for driving recklessly, the driver or the passenger? Sandra understood Russell's game (i.e. outwitted him) and used it against him even though he had the advantage of knowing who Sandra and everyone else were. She outplayed him in a version of Survivor that was different than her first time. She adapted, he didn't even though his season was much more recent. |
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Post by Flynn on Mar 30, 2017 23:31:49 GMT
I pretty much forget a season of Survivor about two months after it ends, and I have never rewatched a season (I wouldn't even know where to find a full season of episodes). As a result, my memory of details can be foggy. With that said, I do remember that her second victory was due completely to people not wanting to vote for Russell. He controlled that season, and he only lost because the players resented him for playing them. Sandra won because she was the lesser of two evils. I seem to remember that Sandra's first victory was similar. In previous seasons, Sandra was like a barnacle. She tagged along to a greater threat and managed to slip by with just enough notice to win but never enough to have a target on her back. She is playing differently this season. She is playing from a leadership position. She is in the face of others and is openly bragging about her prowess in the game. If she wins, it will be well deserved, in my opinion for the first time. So you're saying only people who get to the end via 'leadership' (whatever that means) 'deserve' to win? Who gets blamed for driving recklessly, the driver or the passenger? Sandra understood Russell's game (i.e. outwitted him) and used it against him even though he had the advantage of knowing who Sandra and everyone else were. She outplayed him in a version of Survivor that was different than her first time. She adapted, he didn't even though his season was much more recent. I have nothing against Sandra, so don't get me wrong. She is the only player to win Survivor twice, and she deserves the credit for putting herself in the position to win both times. But did she deserve to win? In my opinion, not really. There were other players who played a better game those seasons. You seem to believe that Sandra outlasting Russell is the same as her outwitting him. I see it differently. Russell made the mistake of believing the jury would not vote for a previous winner, and he did not take into account that the other players would hate him so much that they would vote for Sandra. I see it as a mistake he made rather than a move Sandra made. She did not outwit Russell. He just made a miscalculation. And Sandra was just a beneficiary of that mistake. By the way, by "leadership" I am referring to someone who exerts a degree of control over the game, someone who determines who goes home and when. That's what makes Boston Rob's win so impressive that season. He played a perfect game. He called all the shots, and he put himself up against the weakest competition to win. Sandra herself has said that her approach has always been to be that vote needed for someone else to vote someone else out. In this season, though, she is determining who goes home. That's very different from the way she has played before. In my opinion, a player who deserves to win Survivor is a player who exerts control over the game, someone who determines who goes home, who stays, and who goes to the end. That doesn't mean that the person who deserves to win always wins, just as in sports, the team who wins isn't always the best team. Lots of things besides the concept of deserving can determine who wins. We can celebrate those players while still acknowledging that someone else played a better game overall. One thing I cannot agree with is the idea that every winner of every game is the most deserving just by virtue of being the winner. I find that belief naive and simple-minded. Sometimes the better team loses, and that's no different in Survivor. |
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Post by HawkeyeDJ on Apr 8, 2017 16:51:45 GMT
I enjoy Survivor. However, I realize that the audience is frequently manipulated into believing what the producers and editors want them to believe. They have an agenda to produce a compelling story, an exciting story that will keep people glued to their seats season after season. Remember, the producers know who the winner is before the first episode is aired. All they have to do is work backwards from that point, creating as many 'OMG' moments as they can in the editing room.
In the early seasons, the latest outcast would spend the following day doing radio interviews around the country creating more buzz answering questions like "What's it like to be a contestant ... blah, blah, blah." Some of those contestants spilt the beans regarding the differences between what airs vs what actually happens on the island. For example, TC is usually no more than ten minutes of an episode aired. TC actually often lasts and hour and a half or more. They keep asking questions until the contestants give them enough footage to be edited down to an exciting 10 minutes or so.
I recall once there were charges of racism against Mark Burnett, creator of the show. One contestant, a black man (don't recall his name) was always being depicted as lazy, useless in camp, never doing any work. The man himself never made this an issue, but several of his fellow contestants stated that his editing was grossly unfair and did not at all reflect the reality. According to them, he contributed as much as anyone in camp and Burnett simply chose to create a caricature of this player.
I'm convinced there is a lot less reality than meets the eye in reality TV.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 16:45:35 GMT
I enjoy Survivor. However, I realize that the audience is frequently manipulated into believing what the producers and editors want them to believe. They have an agenda to produce a compelling story, an exciting story that will keep people glued to their seats season after season. Remember, the producers know who the winner is before the first episode is aired. All they have to do is work backwards from that point, creating as many 'OMG' moments as they can in the editing room. You are right, they do edit it. They call it a 'winner's edit' where they drop subtle hints throughout the season about who the winner is, and they cut certain players to be the villain, etc... That is true too. I heard they will spend over an hour at Tribal Council talking about strategy and answering questions about camp life. The hope is that after a while, a group of starving, tired, weary, paranoid people will start spilling their guts and thus creating chaos and excitement right before they vote. Yeah, I think that was Clarence from "Africa" Season 3. If I'm not mistaken. They need certain characters to be the heroes, some to be the villains, and some to be the 'goats'. The producers and editors decide that, it's all about your perception. Sometimes, the 'villains' will come back to the reunion show and be like "Why am I the villain? I was just playing my game, my strategy" but they cut it and edit it to look like they are ruthless and cutthroat when in reality, they all are, trying to win a million dollars. |
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Post by HawkeyeDJ on Apr 11, 2017 6:14:37 GMT
I was also surprised to learn that all of their clothing is right out of the CBS Survivor Wardrobe Department. The pretty girls are expected to wear tiny bikinis, the big muscle guys are expected to go shirtless or wear sleeveless shirts.  Remember John Cochran, the nerdy lawyer and angst-ridden Jewish kid who wore sweater vests? RIGHT OUT OF WARDROBE! After his win he stated he had never owned a sweater vest in his life! In other words, the producers are creating stereotypes - deliberately - in the characters. I'm not sure I can even call them contestants any more.  |
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Post by badhabit on Apr 13, 2017 1:54:48 GMT
Wow, first JT and now Varner, my favorites are going down IN FLAMES this season. Cirie, you're my only hope! Don't disgrace yourself like they did!
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Post by WarrenPeace on Apr 13, 2017 11:26:52 GMT
I'm convinced there is a lot less reality than meets the eye in reality TV. It's scripted. Well, maybe not 100% but they will put in things to make it more interesting than it really is. And certain shows are made up or they will find things for them to do. It is all for our entertainment. Look up Pawn Stars to see how much of that is real vs fake. They actually have already made a deal before it's filmed and not everyone is selling something and the place where they film it is different than the actual store. Plus, I'm sure they do retakes when someone forgets or flubs a line. |
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Post by WarrenPeace on Apr 13, 2017 11:28:58 GMT
I was also surprised to learn that all of their clothing is right out of the CBS Survivor Wardrobe Department. The pretty girls are expected to wear tiny bikinis, the big muscle guys are expected to go shirtless or wear sleeveless shirts. Remember John Cochran, the nerdy lawyer and angst-ridden Jewish kid who wore sweater vests? RIGHT OUT OF WARDROBE! After his win he stated he had never owned a sweater vest in his life! In other words, the producers are creating stereotypes - deliberately - in the characters. I'm not sure I can even call them contestants any more. Yeah, I remember that guy. Never shirtless, except for challenges where he got into the water. Right? Who in the hell would wear a sweater in tropical heat! When the camera was off, I bet he felt really good to get out of it. And the way he played it by being under the radar was smart. |
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Post by badhabit on Apr 13, 2017 13:47:19 GMT
I don't think competitive reality shows - Survivor, Big Brother (except their diary room interviews), singing/cooking shows, etc., are scripted. Rigged may be the better word. Unfair twists to help certain people, definitely. Casting certain contestants to portray them as recognizable stereotypes, definitely. But not scripted from start to finish.
With non-competition 'reality' shows - all that Pawn stuff, Mystery Diners, ghost hunter stuff, housewives, weight loss shows... I buy that as being entirely fake, with a script from the beginning to the end of the episode. Still can be fun to watch them to kill time, though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 17:01:14 GMT
Heroes, Healers, and Hustlers.
Who has the advantage right off the bat?
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