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Post by sdm3 on Feb 24, 2017 9:22:44 GMT
Make your choice.
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Post by MooseNugget on Feb 24, 2017 10:13:48 GMT
I think Francisco Scaramanga was a great Bond villain. It's too bad the producers dropped the ball on The Man With The Golden Gun and continued in the camp aspect of the series that started in Diamonds.
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Feb 24, 2017 10:59:03 GMT
Jaws
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Post by doctorvanya on Feb 24, 2017 19:27:42 GMT
Hugo Drax. Moonraker was far from my favourite Bond film but Drax gets some of the best lines of any Bond villain which perfectly were delivered by Michael Lonsdale.
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Post by Karl Aksel on Feb 24, 2017 20:36:15 GMT
Hugo Drax. Moonraker was far from my favourite Bond film but Drax gets some of the best lines of any Bond villain which perfectly were delivered by Michael Lonsdale. My sentiments exactly. So many things wrong with that movie, but Drax was excellent as villains go.
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Feb 24, 2017 23:21:51 GMT
Sorry dudes, but Moonraker is f*cking brilliant! One of the best Bonds full stop.
Just rewatched the other night - one minute he's zipping along the Amazon in a speed boat dropping mines whilst getting blasted at with grenades, the next he's sneaking on to a space shuttle! What more could you possibly want?
A guy calling out "I think he's attempting re-entry Sir"? Yeah, you get that too...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 0:58:40 GMT
Scaramanga, because I could never say no to Christopher Lee.
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Post by rateater on Feb 25, 2017 1:03:22 GMT
gotta go with zorin and grace jones.
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Post by pop_actor on Feb 25, 2017 3:10:34 GMT
Jaws...
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Post by MooseNugget on Feb 25, 2017 9:08:17 GMT
Sorry dudes, but Moonraker is f*cking brilliant! One of the best Bonds full stop. Just rewatched the other night - one minute he's zipping along the Amazon in a speed boat dropping mines whilst getting blasted at with grenades, the next he's sneaking on to a space shuttle! What more could you possibly want? A guy calling out "I think he's attempting re-entry Sir"? Yeah, you get that too... Moonraker is dumb as hell. It's entertaining as hell too. I get why people dislike it. Moore is just so damn charming and charismatic. Drax and Jaws are great villeins too. Even if you think the movie is too goofy you gotta at least appreciate the pre-title sequence and the centrifuge scene.
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Post by doctorvanya on Feb 25, 2017 12:37:34 GMT
Sorry dudes, but Moonraker is f*cking brilliant! One of the best Bonds full stop. Just rewatched the other night - one minute he's zipping along the Amazon in a speed boat dropping mines whilst getting blasted at with grenades, the next he's sneaking on to a space shuttle! What more could you possibly want? A guy calling out "I think he's attempting re-entry Sir"? Yeah, you get that too... It's not about wanting more, I think Bond films work better when taken seriously and Moonraker too often slipped into camp and goofy territory for my taste. Where there parts that worked? Yes. As previously stated Michael Lonsdale's performance was one of the highlights of the film, the opening skydive was spectacular, the centrifuge chamber was an innovative death machine and Corinne's death was genuinely chilling and effective. However that has to be balanced against the cheesy jokes, the ridiculous gondola chase (complete with double take pigeon) and Jaws being transformed from a menacing presence to a buffoon. On top of that it's basically a rehash of the far superiour The Spy Who Loved Me only with outer space instead of underwater.
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Feb 25, 2017 21:26:20 GMT
Max Zorin
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Feb 26, 2017 18:23:59 GMT
Sorry dudes, but Moonraker is f*cking brilliant! One of the best Bonds full stop. Just rewatched the other night - one minute he's zipping along the Amazon in a speed boat dropping mines whilst getting blasted at with grenades, the next he's sneaking on to a space shuttle! What more could you possibly want? A guy calling out "I think he's attempting re-entry Sir"? Yeah, you get that too... It's not about wanting more, I think Bond films work better when taken seriously and Moonraker too often slipped into camp and goofy territory for my taste. Where there parts that worked? Yes. As previously stated Michael Lonsdale's performance was one of the highlights of the film, the opening skydive was spectacular, the centrifuge chamber was an innovative death machine and Corinne's death was genuinely chilling and effective. However that has to be balanced against the cheesy jokes, the ridiculous gondola chase (complete with double take pigeon) and Jaws being transformed from a menacing presence to a buffoon. On top of that it's basically a rehash of the far superiour The Spy Who Loved Me only with outer space instead of underwater. Perhaps not to your taste but it's maybe a tad unfair to say Moonraker "too often slipped into camp and goofy territory" - as MooseNugget pointed out earlier in the thread, Bond was already firmly ensconced in it's camp era by that stage so it was pretty much doing exactly what a Bond film was supposed to do; what being a Bond film actually meant. And it did it magnificently - the gondola chase, with the guy falling dead back into the coffin (!), the pigeon double take (don't forgot the guy closely checking his wine label ), wrestling a giant python, this film had it all! Criticising it for being too much campy fun and action would be a bit like taking one of the films in the middle of the "Carry On" series and saying it doesn't work because there's too much sexual innendo in that one...
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Post by Karl Aksel on Feb 26, 2017 23:22:20 GMT
It's not about wanting more, I think Bond films work better when taken seriously and Moonraker too often slipped into camp and goofy territory for my taste. Where there parts that worked? Yes. As previously stated Michael Lonsdale's performance was one of the highlights of the film, the opening skydive was spectacular, the centrifuge chamber was an innovative death machine and Corinne's death was genuinely chilling and effective. However that has to be balanced against the cheesy jokes, the ridiculous gondola chase (complete with double take pigeon) and Jaws being transformed from a menacing presence to a buffoon. On top of that it's basically a rehash of the far superiour The Spy Who Loved Me only with outer space instead of underwater. Perhaps not to your taste but it's maybe a tad unfair to say Moonraker "too often slipped into camp and goofy territory" - as MooseNugget pointed out earlier in the thread, Bond was already firmly ensconced in it's camp era by that stage so it was pretty much doing exactly what a Bond film was supposed to do; what being a Bond film actually meant. And it did it magnificently - the gondola chase, with the guy falling dead back into the coffin (!), the pigeon double take (don't forgot the guy closely checking his wine label ), wrestling a giant python, this film had it all! Criticising it for being too much campy fun and action would be a bit like taking one of the films in the middle of the "Carry On" series and saying it doesn't work because there's too much sexual innendo in that one... I remember in "Bond on Bond", Roger Moore criticized "Never Say Never Again" for its humour in particular. He pointed to Rowan Atkinson's role in particular, saying that was not "Bond humour". But Jaws in "Moonraker" was? Or Sgt. Pepper in "Man with the Golden Gun"? Or... well, lots of things in Roger Moore's films in particular. And then, of course, there's "Diamonds Are Forever". He did say that Sean Connery was great in NSNA, though - and I think herein lies the reason why Roger Moore gave it the thumbs down. Because his pal Sean Connery hated it. You certainly can't say its humour was any less "Bond humour" than Roger's own films.
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Post by doctorvanya on Feb 27, 2017 9:23:07 GMT
It's not about wanting more, I think Bond films work better when taken seriously and Moonraker too often slipped into camp and goofy territory for my taste. Where there parts that worked? Yes. As previously stated Michael Lonsdale's performance was one of the highlights of the film, the opening skydive was spectacular, the centrifuge chamber was an innovative death machine and Corinne's death was genuinely chilling and effective. However that has to be balanced against the cheesy jokes, the ridiculous gondola chase (complete with double take pigeon) and Jaws being transformed from a menacing presence to a buffoon. On top of that it's basically a rehash of the far superiour The Spy Who Loved Me only with outer space instead of underwater. Perhaps not to your taste but it's maybe a tad unfair to say Moonraker "too often slipped into camp and goofy territory" - as MooseNugget pointed out earlier in the thread, Bond was already firmly ensconced in it's camp era by that stage so it was pretty much doing exactly what a Bond film was supposed to do; what being a Bond film actually meant. And it did it magnificently - the gondola chase, with the guy falling dead back into the coffin (!), the pigeon double take (don't forgot the guy closely checking his wine label ), wrestling a giant python, this film had it all! Criticising it for being too much campy fun and action would be a bit like taking one of the films in the middle of the "Carry On" series and saying it doesn't work because there's too much sexual innendo in that one... Totally disagree with the "Carry On" analogy, they were always meant to be comedic while Bond was coming from a serious foundation. The Fleming novels and many of the early films (as well as ones that followed) were serious thrillers. Compare the film to the novel; an attempt to wipe out Earth's population and replace it with a super-race as opposed to a surviving Nazi infiltrating British high society and attempting to drop a nuclear bomb on London. Just because Bond was in the camp era that doesn't make anything that happened in that film a good idea. And I'm not saying Moonraker was "too much campy fun" because for me it's not fun, it's cringe inducing. I enjoy some of the more outlandish Bonds like You Only Live Twice and The Spy Who Loved me but Moonraker was just a step to far. The jokes don't land only serve to undermine the rest of the film.
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Feb 27, 2017 17:49:29 GMT
Perhaps not to your taste but it's maybe a tad unfair to say Moonraker "too often slipped into camp and goofy territory" - as MooseNugget pointed out earlier in the thread, Bond was already firmly ensconced in it's camp era by that stage so it was pretty much doing exactly what a Bond film was supposed to do; what being a Bond film actually meant. And it did it magnificently - the gondola chase, with the guy falling dead back into the coffin (!), the pigeon double take (don't forgot the guy closely checking his wine label ), wrestling a giant python, this film had it all! Criticising it for being too much campy fun and action would be a bit like taking one of the films in the middle of the "Carry On" series and saying it doesn't work because there's too much sexual innendo in that one... Totally disagree with the "Carry On" analogy, they were always meant to be comedic while Bond was coming from a serious foundation. The Fleming novels and many of the early films (as well as ones that followed) were serious thrillers. Compare the film to the novel; an attempt to wipe out Earth's population and replace it with a super-race as opposed to a surviving Nazi infiltrating British high society and attempting to drop a nuclear bomb on London. Just because Bond was in the camp era that doesn't make anything that happened in that film a good idea. And I'm not saying Moonraker was "too much campy fun" because for me it's not fun, it's cringe inducing. I enjoy some of the more outlandish Bonds like You Only Live Twice and The Spy Who Loved me but Moonraker was just a step to far. The jokes don't land only serve to undermine the rest of the film. The "Carry On" analogy was perfect within the context of my previous post - as I mentioned another poster had pointed out earlier that Bond was already firmly established in it's, erm, "camp" camp and would continue to be so for several Moore films. This was the context within which I was making the comparison, and thus the moot nature of complaining about Moonraker itself being too much. In The Spy Who Loved Me Bond drives his underwater car up out of the sea onto a beach and discards a fish from the window.
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Post by fangirl1975 on Feb 27, 2017 22:31:29 GMT
I voted for Scaramanga. That's because horror icon Christopher Lee played the part.
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Post by bondfan90 on Mar 9, 2017 21:34:33 GMT
I think Hugo Drax and Max Zorin, are the most evil villains in the Roger Moore era. Drax wants to poison everyone on the earth and repopulate it with a handpicked group of genetically perfect specimens. Apparently he was based on Adolf Hitler. Michael Lonsdale played him as charming and calm.
Max Zorin was psychotic! He machine guns his own men amd he laughed while doing it! The way he got rid of that KGB agent was brutal too!
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Post by pippinmaniac on Mar 10, 2017 1:30:38 GMT
Francisco Scaramanga, played by the late, great Christopher Lee.
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Post by larryv on Mar 10, 2017 1:35:26 GMT
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