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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 10:03:58 GMT
Just curious. I was having a debate with a friend. Can a movie belong to both thriller and noir genres, or does "noir" already include "thriller"?
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Post by pimpinainteasy on Feb 6, 2017 8:15:42 GMT
i think so. some IMDB films are classified as thriller or crime and not noir. but the term noir has really expanded and now encapsulates many films that might not normally be thoguht of as noir. i am not aware of any noir puritans on IMDB's board.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 17:53:06 GMT
Even in it's time, I think some of the Val Lewton/RKO films work both ways.
But yea, I would agree noir wound up integrating with many genres as time went on.
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Post by london777 on Mar 13, 2017 14:14:33 GMT
Yes, because Noir is not really a genre but a style. Though for all practical purposes it is convenient to treat it as a genre.
Feb 6, 2017 4:15:42 GMT -4 pimpinainteasy said: I am not aware of any noir puritans on IMDB's board.
I am somewhat of a Noir puritan. It has got to the stage now where youngsters think any crime film in black and white from the 1940s or 1950s is a Noir, and many compilation sets of DVDs marketed exploit that misapprehension by packaging one or two genuine Noirs with a number of other movies which are not, because the label "Noir" is more marketable.
There was a frequent poster on IMDb (cannot remember his handle but something like "mgbtlp") who knew his Noirs and Neo-Noirs and introduced me to some new ones. My only quibble was his too wide interpretation of the term. On the other hand, someone recently posted on this board a definition that Noir should exclusively treat night-time scenes in urban mean streets.
This latter is way too restricting and would, for example, exclude one of the two greatest Noirs ever made. Much of "Out of the Past"(1947) takes place in a sunny Mexican beach resort, or in the Californian countryside, or in a deluxe Aspen mansion by daylight.
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Post by gadolinium on Apr 7, 2017 20:34:37 GMT
Your post made me rewatch Out of the Past. Thank you.
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Post by darksidebeadle on Mar 16, 2022 6:53:42 GMT
Sure can
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Post by mgmarshall on Mar 16, 2022 8:01:41 GMT
Sure, why not?
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Post by politicidal on Mar 16, 2022 13:40:05 GMT
Of course.
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Post by kolchak92 on Mar 16, 2022 13:51:05 GMT
Yeah of course. Film noir's a very vaguely defined genre as it is and much of the tropes associated with it are intertwined with thriller anyway.
Jesus, this is an old thread.
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Post by Penn Guinn on Mar 16, 2022 14:09:44 GMT
On Noir Night on one of the old movies channels they show anything in black and white where the men wear fedoras and the women sing in nightclubs between seducing the heroes and call them Noirs !
So, yeah, why not ?
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