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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 3:21:09 GMT
I think they're trying too hard to be "important" and leave a mark on popular culture with how "relevant" they are when the themes should just come naturally. I also think its time to just drop the Story Arc format for a while. The original Doctor Who survived for 26 years with The Doctor just having adventures in Time and Space with only the occasional Arc. The Revived Series can survive a Series/Season or two away from them.
And that's kinda the thing. They just need to send the Doctor off on an adventure AWAY from Earth. They also need to drop this obsessive need to have ALL the companions be people by 21st Century Earth. Seriously, one of the most beloved Companions of the Classic Series was a kilt-wearing Scottish piper. The original series also featured companions such as a girl from the future shipwrecked on a planet, a genetically-engineered compute whiz from the 30th century, a girl from Victorian times, a cave woman from another world, a Time Lady, two geniuses from another dimension, a robot dog, a robot man, The Doctor's own granddaughter, and Big Finnish generally takes it even farther than that. At this point, I'd even take The Doctor plucking another random school-teacher from November 1963 out of London. It'd be almost refreshing.
In all, I think its time for the New Series to start looking at what people liked about the old series more.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 15:02:58 GMT
I'd like to see another companion like Leela. Not just a repeat of that character, obviously, but somebody from a much more primitive society. Smart and tough and resourceful, but not knowledgeable.
Plus, if they do have a female Doctor, have a female companion too. Be interesting to see two women working together like that.
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Post by Catman on Jun 30, 2017 15:11:46 GMT
The Doctor should have a robotic cat.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 0:37:54 GMT
I'd like to see another companion like Leela. Not just a repeat of that character, obviously, but somebody from a much more primitive society. Smart and tough and resourceful, but not knowledgeable. Plus, if they do have a female Doctor, have a female companion too. Be interesting to see two women working together like that. Honestly, I'd love to see The Doctor undo death of the tree lady from "The End of the World" and take her along with him on his TARDIS.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 2:19:31 GMT
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I think that's more of a culmination, than a singular course. The symptoms have been there for years, unfortunately.
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Post by reelreviews2 on Jul 3, 2017 4:23:50 GMT
I think that's more of a culmination, than a singular course. The symptoms have been there for years, unfortunately. Okay, you've got a valid point there. It wasn't like the episodes were all 100% awesome then suddenly it sucked once "Bill" arrived. I've said for a while that Peter Calpaldi will unfortunately go down in history as the "Timothy Dalton" of the Doctor Who franchise. Dalton was a terrific choice for Bond and could have been one of the best Bonds ever, but had the misfortune to inherit the role right when the franchise was out of gas and took a nosedive right when he took over the role (due to circumstances that had nothing to do with his acting). Same thing happened with Calpaldi. The quality of Doctor Who really plummeted in "Series 8" and its just been downhill from there. Calpaldi's first year had its moments but was nowhere near as good as Matt Smith's heyday (ironic, since I considered Smith to be a younger David Tennant clone when he inherited the role and thought they could have done better and gotten more creative). Then they tried to make Calpaldi's Doctor "hip and cool" in the 9th season and the quality got even worse. By the time they announced "Bill", it was pretty much official that Doctor Who would now be unwatchable tripe. So, you are basically correct, "Bill" was the culmination of the franchise turning to pot. (or in this case, turning to Pott ) The only good news is they've reached rock bottom now that that Steven Moffat is leaving, so I can't imagine it can get any worse. They can only go up from here.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 5:04:37 GMT
I think that's more of a culmination, than a singular course. The symptoms have been there for years, unfortunately. Okay, you've got a valid point there. It wasn't like the episodes were all 100% awesome then suddenly it sucked once "Bill" arrived. I've said for a while that Peter Calpaldi will unfortunately go down in history as the "Timothy Dalton" of the Doctor Who franchise. Dalton was a terrific choice for Bond and could have been one of the best Bonds ever, but had the misfortune to inherit the role right when the franchise was out of gas and took a nosedive right when he took over the role (due to circumstances that had nothing to do with his acting). Same thing happened with Calpaldi. The quality of Doctor Who really plummeted in "Series 8" and its just been downhill from there. Calpaldi's first year had its moments but was nowhere near as good as Matt Smith's heyday (ironic, since I considered Smith to be a younger David Tennant clone when he inherited the role and thought they could have done better and gotten more creative). Then they tried to make Calpaldi's Doctor "hip and cool" in the 9th season and the quality got even worse. By the time they announced "Bill", it was pretty much official that Doctor Who would now be unwatchable tripe. So, you are basically correct, "Bill" was the culmination of the franchise turning to pot. (or in this case, turning to Pott ) The only good news is they've reached rock bottom now that that Steven Moffat is leaving, so I can't imagine it can get any worse. They can only go up from here. I concur. Like I said before, the Revival has just clung to its tropes too long. Time to drop the Story Arcs (at least for a while), forced "relevance" (taking inspiration from the world around you should just come naturally to Sci-Fi writers), and they seriously, absolutely need to drop the most annoying one of all: the Companion Departure Tragedy. Its become cliche. It's had its day. Seriously, what is just wrong with a Companion deciding they've had enough and leaving on their own terms? I get why they HAD to force the issue with Rose and Donna. They were never gonna leave unless made to. However, there was NO reason why the Ponds and Clara had to meet such shitty ends. Did the lack of melodrama in Martha's departing scene make the series take a hit in ratings or something? Seriously, the ending of the last episode with Amy and Rory should have been like, "Raggedy Man, I think its time me and Rory here just went home. We won't be running with you anymore, but don't think that means we don't care. Its just that time, you know. We just cut it too close this time, and I can't lose him again." THERE! END! TADA! And Clara's departing scene should have been reminiscent of Ian and Barbara's, given that the show went out of its way to keep making callbacks to those two through her.
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Post by reelreviews2 on Jul 4, 2017 3:17:38 GMT
<abbr>You make some excellent points about the major flaws with nuWho.
One area I'd disagree is with story arcs. The funny thing is I tend to HATE the "modern television" trend of having ENDLESS story arcs from episode to episode, where nothing gets resolved over the entire season, NO episode is self-contained, and you have to watch every episode in order for three seasons in a row just to understand what the heck is going on.
However, Doctor Who doesn't follow that pattern. They tend to have an overarching "theme" for the entire season ("Who is "Bad Wolf"? "What does the crack in the wall mean?" etc.) but this is played out over smaller, self-contained episodes (no more than 3 in a row, and most of them are just 1 single stand alone episode) that have their OWN unique storylines that get resolved by the end of the episode. That format works fine with me... if I miss an episode, I might miss a piece of the puzzle overall, but the next episode doesn't DEPEND on me having watched the previous one first, and the vast majority of the time, the next episode has an entirely different setting/characters and does NOT tie into the previous episode aside from one or two lines referencing it.
Quite frankly, I wish more television shows would follow Doctor Who's pattern, it would make it a lot easier on the viewer to watch as much or little as they please, when and where they want. But you have a bunch of snobby people who claim its necessary to have 4,546 episodes in a row where nothing gets resolved and that's necessary for "modern" television and makes it more "complex" and "layed".
In any case, classic Who also followed nuWho's format several times: the "Key to Time" season, the "Trial of a Time Lord" season, season 8 being all about The Master's grand plan, and so on. I agree classic Who didn't do it AS MUCH, so I'd be fine with a season or two that doesn't have one great overlaying "mystery" event.
On the rest of your points, I agree entirely. I am sick of all the companions being people from modern 21st century U.K., all the overdone melodrama in writing their characters off the show with some "tragedy", the constant forced attempts to be "trendy" and "revelvant" to whatever is in the news at the moment (its caused nuWho is already become terribly dated, as I went back and watched a Eccleston era episode all about reality television and showcasing Big Brother and The Weakest Link). I also sick of the Doctor being "zany". Not every Doctor should behave like Tom Baker, and thankfully Eccleston was the only in the nuWho era that didn't.
I hope Chibnall could give us a decent male character who ISN'T the jealous boyfriend of the female companion, a female companion that ISN'T from 2018 London (or anywhere near there), and DOESN'T beat the audience over the head with political pandering about whatever is "trendy" with the mainstream media at the moment (yay! It's 2009 so we have OBAMA! on Doctor Who) Now that would truly be REFRESHING.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 20:33:36 GMT
<abbr>You make some excellent points about the major flaws with nuWho. One area I'd disagree is with story arcs. The funny thing is I tend to HATE the "modern television" trend of having ENDLESS story arcs from episode to episode, where nothing gets resolved over the entire season, NO episode is self-contained, and you have to watch every episode in order for three seasons in a row just to understand what the heck is going on. </abbr> Well, when I say they should take a break from the Story Arcs, I don't mean the way they've gone about it is bad. Nor do I want them to go away permanently. For the time being, I think the best thing the show can do for itself is just to shed off EVERYTHING about its current formula and redefine itself. And then bring back their style of Story Arcs after short break. It would take pressure off the writers while they're fixing the show. Sorry, I should have explained that part better. And yeah, I agree with everything you just about how other shows tend to do Story Arcs. Other TV shows would do well to study how the best years of the Revival Era Doctor Who show did arcs.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 17:17:41 GMT
I really enjoyed Capaldi as the Doctor, for me season 9 was one of the better seasons of the revived show, but this season 10 was awful. It's the stories, not the actors, that failed imo. Episode 2 was decent, but that was about the only one. The whole Vault thing failed from the start, let's build up tension for three or so episodes when everyone already knew who was inside as soon as you saw it. (I guess we can blame the people who leaked the return of the Master for that one) It never worked, not the companion, nor the stories. And the final barely made sense. Why on earth could they not go to the Tardis? And why not have Bill get saved by someone only shown in the first episode without any follow-up? And ofcourse she doesn't seem to bother with any of the others she left behind. Nope, let's go on adventures! Maybe the Christmas special will shed some light on things. But it all was pretty messy. Doctor Who does seem stuck in an ever repeating cycle of sameness. Sure, he needs companions. I get that it is good to have them, allows to tell a story on several levels. But it is so repetitive that it has become stale and boring.
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Post by reelreviews2 on Jul 15, 2017 7:47:18 GMT
Yep. And the sad thing is I predicted this would happen and tried to warn people, but many refused to listen. Millions tuned out but you had numerous BBC shills/Moffat apologists trying to do damage control all season and claim the show was "much better" since they got rid of Clara. They managed to fool some gullible fans into watching this tripe and you can see from these boards that most who sat thru the entire season now regret it.
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Post by JHA Durant on Jul 17, 2017 7:53:58 GMT
We need a companion that's not a total smartass or completely open with their past, one that KNOWS their past but won't divulge it to the Doctor (unlike the ones where they have ordinary lives yet be the key to extraordinary things, like virtually all of the New Who companions). Not someone from 21st Century Earth with a big family, but one more like Vicki, Ace, Adric or Turlough; loners or sole survivors. Can be male or female. Somebody who can genuinely overshadow or upstage the Doctor, and not because of their attitude etc etc etc.
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