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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 3, 2017 14:48:28 GMT
This is one of the most fascinating qualities about following the MCU. Practically every film that comes out is viewed as some sort of test.
Can Iron Man work with the risky RDJ and save Marvel as a brand. Can they possibly make an over the top character like Thor work? Can they possibly make a boy scout character like Captain America work? Can they really pull off this huge Avengers team up film? Can they make a spy thriller with Winter Soldier? Will anybody care about the Guardians? Will anybody give a shit about Ant Man? Can a 6 on 6 battle royale with fucking giant man, and prequels to Black Panther and Spiderman work? Is it possible to do Dr. Strange Justice? Is it possible to get a third Spiderman reboot right?
And so far, the answer has always been yes.
Of course even though we're 15 films in, each other film will still continue to be a "test".
Can Marvel do a female superhero justice with Captain Marvel? Can they make a viable black superhero with Black Panther Can the absurd scale of Infinity War work?
And it's this type of "always a test" viewpoint that is part of what keeps the entire series interesting. You always feel like they are taking the next step. |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jul 3, 2017 17:13:01 GMT
I respectfully disagree.
The "brand" is the selling point, now.
Fans will flock to them no matter what.
Transformers is a great example of this phenomenon.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 3, 2017 18:01:52 GMT
This is one of the most fascinating qualities about following the MCU. Practically every film that comes out is viewed as some sort of test.
Can Marvel do a female superhero justice with Captain Marvel? How the fuck is this a test? Wonder Woman already proved that it's possible to make a good female superhero movie. MCU had their chance for 9 years but they only wanted to make superhero movies with Caucasian males as the lead character. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 18:40:34 GMT
I respectfully disagree. The "brand" is the selling point, now. Fans will flock to them no matter what. Transformers is a great example of this phenomenon. Of course you would refuse to give Marvel any credit for taking risks. |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jul 3, 2017 18:45:34 GMT
I respectfully disagree. The "brand" is the selling point, now. Fans will flock to them no matter what. Transformers is a great example of this phenomenon. Of course you would refuse to give Marvel any credit for taking risks. Not sure why you would say that? I am a pretty big fan. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 18:48:43 GMT
Of course you would refuse to give Marvel any credit for taking risks. Not sure why you would say that? I am a pretty big fan. In that case, I'm getting my Ackbars mixed up. In any case, you're still giving them too little credit. |
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jul 3, 2017 18:54:30 GMT
I respectfully disagree. The "brand" is the selling point, now. Fans will flock to them no matter what. Transformers is a great example of this phenomenon. Mr. President, I think the biggest selling point of the MCU is its characters. With few exceptions, they were extremely well thought out for the times they were created in, and a new generation is recognizing their innate appeal. For Marvel, it's about characters and the worlds they inhabit. It's not about trying to make a masterpiece every time out. Marvel isn't out to patronize people by suggesting that fictional superheroes, dressed in spandex and leather, could singlehandedly solve age-old problems like war, terrorism, inequality or other social ills. Their films are not apocalyptic, disaster movies posing as superhero movies. MCU films are about people who happen to be superheroes. The "brand" is just a delivery system for the characters. SaveSaveSaveSave |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jul 3, 2017 18:54:59 GMT
Not sure why you would say that? I am a pretty big fan. In that case, I'm getting my Ackbars mixed up. In any case, you're still giving them too little credit. It might be me, as my favorite superhero movies are not MCU, but I am not a hater by any stretch. And, it's okay to disagree. I don't think it's a coincidence, though, that every major studio is rushing to build their own "cinematic universe" They see it as "guaranteed box office" for multiple films over many years. |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jul 3, 2017 18:57:34 GMT
I respectfully disagree. The "brand" is the selling point, now. Fans will flock to them no matter what. Transformers is a great example of this phenomenon. Mr. President, I think the biggest selling point of the MCU is its characters. With few exceptions, they were extremely well thought out for the times they were created in, and a new generation is recognizing their innate appeal. For Marvel, it's about characters and the worlds they inhabit. It's not about trying to make a masterpiece every time out. Marvel isn't out to patronize people by suggesting that fictional superheroes, dressed in spandex and leather, could singlehandedly solve age-old problems like war, terrorism, inequality or other social ills. Their films are not apocalyptic, disaster movies posing as superhero movies. MCU films are about people who happen to be superheroes. The "brand" is just a delivery system for the characters. SaveSaveSaveSaveLike I said to raptor, it is okay to disagree. Heck maybe we are both "right" But, as far as I can tell, there are no great characters or worlds in "Transformers" films, and they seem to sell plenty of tickets. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 19:00:15 GMT
In that case, I'm getting my Ackbars mixed up. In any case, you're still giving them too little credit. It might be me, as my favorite superhero movies are not MCU, but I am not a hater by any stretch. And, it's okay to disagree. I don't think it's a coincidence, though, that every major studio is rushing to build their own "cinematic universe" They see it as "guaranteed box office" for multiple films over many years. If characters like Ironman, Thor, Captain America, the Guardians, Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, and so on are all guarantees, then how come it took so long for them to get movies? It wasn't because the special effects hadn't caught up. Hollywood's been advanced enough to make a film about any of them since 1998. No, they didn't get movies before because Fox lacked the balls to do it. |
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jul 3, 2017 19:04:24 GMT
I'd still like to see them take a few more risks.
I would've loved to see Civil War end with Tony and Steve still at odds. I understand that they don't exactly love each other like the old days anymore, but they aren't against each other either.
If they were still in conflict at the end of the movie, that could've added a whole new dynamic to their eventual team-up in Infinity War.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jul 3, 2017 19:07:44 GMT
It might be me, as my favorite superhero movies are not MCU, but I am not a hater by any stretch. And, it's okay to disagree. I don't think it's a coincidence, though, that every major studio is rushing to build their own "cinematic universe" They see it as "guaranteed box office" for multiple films over many years. If characters like Ironman, Thor, Captain America, the Guardians, Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, and so on are all guarantees, then how come it took so long for them to get movies? It wasn't because the special effects hadn't caught up. Hollywood's been advanced enough to make a film about any of them since 1998. No, they didn't get movies before because Fox lacked the balls to do it. No, I am not saying that they were "always" guarantees, I am saying that they are "now" Just like "Transformers", after the first couple of movies were hits, now they all are, automatically. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 19:08:09 GMT
I'd still like to see them take a few more risks. I would've loved to see Civil War end with Tony and Steve still at odds. I understand that they don't exactly love each other like the old days anymore, but they aren't against each other either. If they were still in conflict at the end of the movie, that could've added a whole new dynamic to their eventual team-up in Infinity War. They ARE still at odds. Steve's letter didn't fix anything. He just apologized to Tony because he knew he'd done wrong by him. And Tony just followed up on a promise he made to Ross earlier when he said he'd put him on hold. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 19:10:50 GMT
If characters like Ironman, Thor, Captain America, the Guardians, Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, and so on are all guarantees, then how come it took so long for them to get movies? It wasn't because the special effects hadn't caught up. Hollywood's been advanced enough to make a film about any of them since 1998. No, they didn't get movies before because Fox lacked the balls to do it. No, I am not saying that they were "always" guarantees, I am saying that they are "now" What I am saying is, just like "Transformers", after the first couple of movies were hits, now they all are, automatically. Alright, fair enough. Thank you for clearing up your point. |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jul 3, 2017 19:12:25 GMT
I will say that the power of the brand that they have built is impressive.
I don't know exact dollar amounts, but don't the "bad" MCU movies generally make as much money as the "good" ones?
That would tend to support my theory, would it not?
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jul 3, 2017 19:13:08 GMT
I'd still like to see them take a few more risks. I would've loved to see Civil War end with Tony and Steve still at odds. I understand that they don't exactly love each other like the old days anymore, but they aren't against each other either. If they were still in conflict at the end of the movie, that could've added a whole new dynamic to their eventual team-up in Infinity War. They ARE still at odds. Steve's letter didn't fix anything. He just apologized to Tony because he knew he'd done wrong by him. And Tony just followed up on a promise he made to Ross earlier when he said he'd put him on hold. I took it as though Tony was done with his campaign against Steve and vice versa. Again, I don't think they're going to be best of friends right away. If there's still some in-fighting come Infinity War, then I'll be happy (and wrong). I still doubt it, but I've been wrong before. |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jul 3, 2017 19:13:49 GMT
No, I am not saying that they were "always" guarantees, I am saying that they are "now" What I am saying is, just like "Transformers", after the first couple of movies were hits, now they all are, automatically. Alright, fair enough. Thank you for clearing up your point. No problem, man! My latest project is trying to bring civil discourse back to the internet. Wish me luck! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 19:21:19 GMT
Alright, fair enough. Thank you for clearing up your point. No problem, man! My latest project is trying to bring civil discourse back to the internet. Wish me luck! Ackbar... Always fighting the impossible battle. Dont you feel trapped sometimes? |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jul 3, 2017 19:22:36 GMT
No problem, man! My latest project is trying to bring civil discourse back to the internet. Wish me luck! Ackbar... Always fighting the impossible battle. Dont you feel trapped sometimes? Don't go there! You will give me war flashbacks! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 19:24:55 GMT
They ARE still at odds. Steve's letter didn't fix anything. He just apologized to Tony because he knew he'd done wrong by him. And Tony just followed up on a promise he made to Ross earlier when he said he'd put him on hold. I took it as though Tony was done with his campaign against Steve and vice versa. Again, I don't think they're going to be best of friends right away. If there's still some in-fighting come Infinity War, then I'll be happy (and wrong). I still doubt it, but I've been wrong before. You are seriously giving a franchise that's maintained a cinematic universe comprised of several smaller stories connected by a single larger scale one for a decade now too little credit. Steve Rogers is no longer Captain America, Tony Stark is still a complete psychological wreck, and every single person on Cap's team is an international outlaw now. |
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