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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jul 6, 2017 3:15:17 GMT
I personally think it was an amazing series. It's a shame that it has been largely forgotten today. Would anyone like to discuss this show?
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Post by Richard Kimble on Jul 6, 2017 3:57:07 GMT
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Post by wanton87 on Jul 6, 2017 19:34:46 GMT
I remember it, but it’s been many years since I’ve seen it, probably since I was a kid. It’s real unfortunate about the fate of Vic Morrow. I wonder if his death resulted in sort of resurge of interest in this series. It was real popular if I recall.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jul 6, 2017 20:03:41 GMT
I remember it, but it’s been many years since I’ve seen it, probably since I was a kid. It’s real unfortunate about the fate of Vic Morrow. I wonder if his death resulted in sort of resurge of interest in this series. It was real popular if I recall. Well it ran for 5 seasons which is a pretty good run for the 1960s so it must have had quite a few fans. For some reason it never ran in syndication in my area. I wonder if other parts of the country got to see it in syndication.
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Post by bravomailer on Jul 6, 2017 20:20:16 GMT
Loved the show. It avoided heroic looks at the war and showed the day-to-day grind. I saw an early episode that had a comedic side provided by Shecky Greene. Also, Hanley was a sergeant.
When I was overseas in the army not long after the show went off the air, I occasionally said into the radio, "Checkmate King Two, this is White Rook, over". Most guys got it.
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Post by wanton87 on Jul 6, 2017 22:20:47 GMT
I remember it, but it’s been many years since I’ve seen it, probably since I was a kid. It’s real unfortunate about the fate of Vic Morrow. I wonder if his death resulted in sort of resurge of interest in this series. It was real popular if I recall. Well it ran for 5 seasons which is a pretty good run for the 1960s so it must have had quite a few fans. For some reason it never ran in syndication in my area. I wonder if other parts of the country got to see it in syndication.I'm in the western U.S TF1, so it was most likely that I saw it in syndication, because I don't think that I would have remembered it in its original run. I was born in 1964, but I don't really recall much prior to the later 1960's, even though I entered kindergarten in 1969. Though it's possible that it aired temporarily as a special. I’ve seen Nickelodeon and a few other stations do this on occasion, and they would air shows that weren’t ordinarily part of their line up. Not too long ago they did this with Square Pegs, Shazam, and a few others.
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Post by telegonus on Jul 8, 2017 9:27:44 GMT
A very good series, I could never warm to Combat! as a TV show. Something in its drab look, the same sets used over and over, the grimness of it all, the lack of real humor, drags it down for me. Yet I've seen some excellent episodes and I like the regular players. It was popular with boys back when it was in its first run, had a kind of Rifleman-like following. Girls, as a general rule, never watched Combat!, though my younger sister did!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 1:53:02 GMT
COMBAT! currently airs on H&I (Heroes and Icons). link
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Post by bravomailer on Jul 11, 2017 2:13:40 GMT
A very good series, I could never warm to Combat! as a TV show. Something in its drab look, the same sets used over and over, the grimness of it all, the lack of real humor, drags it down for me. Yet I've seen some excellent episodes and I like the regular players. It was popular with boys back when it was in its first run, had a kind of Rifleman-like following. Girls, as a general rule, never watched Combat!, though my younger sister did! Definitely a guy show but I've known a few women who were in love with Rick Jason.
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Post by telegonus on Jul 11, 2017 5:39:50 GMT
I can see that but Vic Morrow came to own the show, it seems, after the first season or so. Jason continued to get star billing along with Morrow but it seemed like a formality, in a manner of speaking. I Spy continued to give Robert Culp top billing but it was the teaming with Cosby that made it work, and he got much more money than Culp. This stuff happens.
Actually, I can see a thread in this topic...
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jul 11, 2017 14:48:13 GMT
A very good series, I could never warm to Combat! as a TV show. Something in its drab look, the same sets used over and over, the grimness of it all, the lack of real humor, drags it down for me. Yet I've seen some excellent episodes and I like the regular players. It was popular with boys back when it was in its first run, had a kind of Rifleman-like following. Girls, as a general rule, never watched Combat!, though my younger sister did! Drab and grimness are sort of hallmarks of war. As far as the sets go, virtually all TV shows in the 60's used the same sets over and over. It was just the reality of the budgets they had to work with. With today's DVDs and cable marathons and streaming binge watching, it is much more noticeable than it was when the show only aired once a week. COMBAT! featured really excellent acting and a very gritty realism that very few shows have ever had. Also, the show was obviously made by actual veterans who actually listened to their technical advisors. Even though no TV show can be totally realistic when it comes to war, this show does a much better job than any other show I can think of as far as the technical details go.
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Post by bravomailer on Jul 13, 2017 3:02:35 GMT
A lot of boys wanted to join the army and heft a BAR like Kirby.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jul 13, 2017 17:15:44 GMT
COMBAT! currently airs on H&I (Heroes and Icons). linkI really wish I had that network on my cable system. I looked it up and they have tons of fantastic classic TV shows.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jul 13, 2017 21:07:06 GMT
I've been watching season 1 on DVD (borrowed from the public library) and it's even more amazing than I thought. The way this show is able to easily deal with issues like sacrifice, choosing between the lesser of 2 evils in war, child soldiers, a balanced look at French collaborators, courage and cowardice, and many other powerful topics is breathe taking. And this is all in the first season. Plus this show has all those incredible guest stars that were a hallmark of '60s TV.
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Post by Richard Kimble on Aug 5, 2017 10:53:08 GMT
taylorfirst1 telegonus I've known a few women who were in love with Rick Jason. Jason was clearly added to draw female viewers, sort of the show's Vince Edwards. Which strikes me as odd today since RJ's looks had already sort of hardened into middle age. Perhaps females of that time preferred more mature matinee idols. Even in Orson Welles' classic "Fountain of Youth" (1956) RJ was ironically starting to lose his youthful looks. One Welles historian described RJ's unique quality as having a "cruelly handsome" face, but his youthful Wikipedia photo has little hint of cruelty Jason always seems out of place to me in Combat. Maybe b/c he's a 40 year old 2nd Lt. His manner is more that of a major at least.
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Post by Richard Kimble on Aug 5, 2017 11:15:50 GMT
taylorfirst1telegonusbravomailerI first saw a few dozen episodes about 10-15 years ago, now watching again. My favorites so far are: "Survival" (directed by Robert Altman) "The Glory Among Men" "The Bridge at Chalons" w/ Lee Marvin "The Enemy" w/ Robert Duvall. Duvall's German accent isn't so hot (though it's better than his English one in The 7% Solution) but otherwise he gives a subtle performance as a demolitions expert who has booby-trapped an entire town in advance of the American army taking it. He is captured by Hanley and forced to defuse the bombs he's planted, resulting in a nerve-racking game of cat and mouse. This must surely be Rick Jason's best episode, with script and direction taking every possible advantage of the suspenseful premise. "The Wounded Don't Cry" w/Karl Boehm. A solid enough episode, but I really like the cliche-avoiding ending, with Saunders trying be both a humane and a soldier in dealing with his prisoner (though not a great episode, "Bridgehead" has a great performance by Nick Adams and another great final scene, with Adams playing it just right, avoiding the usual cliches. The script is substandard in that it doesn't have enough Morrow-Adams confrontations --in fact Adams is kind of wasted until the final scene. It should have been rewritten to make Morrow vs Adams the main plot. Morrow and Adams are an interesting comparison in careers, but I'll let Telegonus write that essay)
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Post by telegonus on Aug 6, 2017 7:55:26 GMT
Combat! was a gritty show from an era of glossy television. Few series at the time were so unrelenting unglamorous (sic). Naked City and Route 66 are two others that come to mind. Even on the doctor and lawyer shows everyone and everything looked spiffy. As to Mr. Kimble's suggesting I write an essay on Nick Adams and Vic Morrow, I can't say that I'll go that far but WTF, I'll go for the bait a little. Okay, Nick and Vic began in films around the same time. Both were poor boys, very ambitious, had their greatest success on television. In feature films they were often cast as punks, victims or losers. Nick hit big first but for various personal reasons his career didn't last and he died young from drug abuse a few years later. He's practically forgotten now, which is a little odd to me as he was a familiar TV face when I was growing up, and not just because of his western series The Rebel. For a few years there the guy had a career. As an actor, well, he's an acquired taste. Sometimes he works for me, at other times he over-emotes. Morrow lasted a lot longer, also died young, as most of us now, in a freak accident on the set of the movie The Twilight Zone. He's better remembered these days than Adams, has a much larger body of work, was moving comfortably into character actor mode when he died. His work holds up better for me than Nick Adams'. Both were sort of in the shadow of Brando and Dean early on, and in some respects that shadow never wholly went away. To stick with Combat! players, a few words on Rick Jason seem in order: he was a good actor on that series. In other shows I've seen really sub-par work from him. I like him better with that mature look he had in uniform. He reminds me a little of Robert Taylor in his World War II period, notably in Bataan!. Post- Combat! Jason seemed to fall off the face of the earth. A cultured, educated guy, from what I've read. Pre- Combat! Jason was in that netherworld of near stars, minor stars, lesser leading men, B listers, call them what you will. He was at the low end of the list, too, but younger than most of them: Rory Calhoun, Dale Robertson, John Bromfield, Ben Cooper, Scott Brady. Steve Cochran's maybe a notch higher, though in those years, the Fifties, he didn't have much of a draw. Neither did Frank Lovejoy, also borderline, due to his radio work, his becoming a name thanks to Home Of The Brave, then a Warners contract player for a while. Oookay, that's all for now, folks!
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Post by Richard Kimble on Aug 8, 2017 16:47:34 GMT
This says Vic Morrow was a sex symbol!
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Aug 8, 2017 20:01:10 GMT
taylorfirst1 telegonus I've known a few women who were in love with Rick Jason. Jason was clearly added to draw female viewers, sort of the show's Vince Edwards. Which strikes me as odd today since RJ's looks had already sort of hardened into middle age. Perhaps females of that time preferred more mature matinee idols. Even in Orson Welles' classic "Fountain of Youth" (1956) RJ was ironically starting to lose his youthful looks. One Welles historian described RJ's unique quality as having a "cruelly handsome" face, but his youthful Wikipedia photo has little hint of cruelty Jason always seems out of place to me in Combat. Maybe b/c he's a 40 year old 2nd Lt. His manner is more that of a major at least. You have to remember that the character was an NCO in the first episode and then got a battlefield commission. That explains why he is older than most 2LT's. I personally don't think he looked like he was 40. I'd say more like early 30's.
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Post by Richard Kimble on Aug 10, 2017 14:05:28 GMT
Vic Morrow lets his real hairline show in "Ambush" His hairpiece was usually better positioned
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