|
Post by PreachCaleb on Sept 4, 2017 19:25:31 GMT
I just wish DC/WB had understand that when it implemented its Batman and Aquaman bans on JLU.
|
|
|
Post by DC-Fan on Sept 4, 2017 19:25:44 GMT
Apology accepted. But it was explained on a tv show. In which case, what about audiences in China, England, and the rest of the world that don't get ABC? that doesnt mean there is no explanation. Its just not available on time for the overseas fans. What that means is bad movie-making because it relies on people having access to some obscure TV show that nobody watches to explain the plotholes in a movie.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 19:28:52 GMT
Wrong yet again. Its DC and Fox that's terrified of upsetting the status quo. The MCU has been trailblazing and innovating from day one and always giving us something different. Also, Tony and Steve didn't make up at the end of Civil War. You need to stop siding with the haters. If you have so little fondness for the series and aren't giving to give anyone working it on any credit, just stop watching now and go away. I'm not going to bother talking about how wrong you are about literally everything else you say in the second and third paragraphs is wrong. There will be a dramatic reunion/reconciliation, but only because Thanos will force the issues. Tony will struggle with calling Steve, and the fugitive Avengers will answering with answering Tony's call for help. However, it is nice to see your true colors as a hater. Gotta disagree. All that drama and conflict is going to be undone with a simple phone call. The movie would've ended much stronger without Steve's package to Tony. I can't really say DC's afraid of upsetting the status quo. They're still a little too busy trying to figure out what the status quo is. And you can't say Fox is afraid of upsetting the status quo, they've literally recast pretty much the entire team with new actors and killed their most popular character. That is the literal definition of upsetting the status quo. You are just wrong, as always. Fox is very afraid of upsetting the status quo. They don't have the power to make Hugh Jackman stay if he wants to leave. That was all him.
|
|
|
Post by PreachCaleb on Sept 4, 2017 19:33:05 GMT
Gotta disagree. All that drama and conflict is going to be undone with a simple phone call. The movie would've ended much stronger without Steve's package to Tony. I can't really say DC's afraid of upsetting the status quo. They're still a little too busy trying to figure out what the status quo is. And you can't say Fox is afraid of upsetting the status quo, they've literally recast pretty much the entire team with new actors and killed their most popular character. That is the literal definition of upsetting the status quo. You are just wrong, as always. Fox is very afraid of upsetting the status quo. They don't have the power to make Hugh Jackman stay if he wants to leave. That was all him. Gotta disagree. All the actors have completely been recast. That is straight up upsetting the status quo. Something that was done long before Jackman left. Don't forget, movies don't get made without studio approval. They approved killing off Wolverine.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 19:35:35 GMT
You are just wrong, as always. Fox is very afraid of upsetting the status quo. They don't have the power to make Hugh Jackman stay if he wants to leave. That was all him. Gotta disagree. All the actors have completely been recast. That is straight up upsetting the status quo. Something that was done long before Jackman left. Don't forget, movies don't get made without studio approval. They approved killing off Wolverine. They knew everyone would turn up to watch Jackman's swansong. There was zero risk. Besides which, Wolverine hasn't even been relevant to the new X-Men trilogy. So again, zero risk.
|
|
|
Post by PreachCaleb on Sept 4, 2017 19:39:07 GMT
Gotta disagree. All the actors have completely been recast. That is straight up upsetting the status quo. Something that was done long before Jackman left. Don't forget, movies don't get made without studio approval. They approved killing off Wolverine. They knew everyone would turn up to watch Jackman's swansong. There was zero risk. Besides which, Wolverine hasn't even been relevant to the new X-Men trilogy. So again, zero risk. Exactly. Fox is unafraid to upset the status quo. After all, their first four movies were heavily dependent on Wolverine.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 19:40:46 GMT
They knew everyone would turn up to watch Jackman's swansong. There was zero risk. Besides which, Wolverine hasn't even been relevant to the new X-Men trilogy. So again, zero risk. Exactly. Fox is unafraid to upset the status quo. After all, their first four movies were heavily dependent on Wolverine. No, they're terrified to shake up the status quo. hey eased up on Wolverine when fan outcry got loud enough, but even then, they kept giving him his own movies. So no, there was no real change. So again, zero risk.
|
|
|
Post by charzhino on Sept 4, 2017 19:44:09 GMT
Gotta disagree. All the actors have completely been recast. That is straight up upsetting the status quo. Something that was done long before Jackman left. Don't forget, movies don't get made without studio approval. They approved killing off Wolverine. They knew everyone would turn up to watch Jackman's swansong. There was zero risk. Besides which, Wolverine hasn't even been relevant to the new X-Men trilogy. So again, zero risk. Wolverine was very important in Xmen DOFP. And the fact he isn't relevant in Apocalypse or FC just proves wrong the people who say the X-franchise is too reliant on him.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 19:52:02 GMT
They knew everyone would turn up to watch Jackman's swansong. There was zero risk. Besides which, Wolverine hasn't even been relevant to the new X-Men trilogy. So again, zero risk. Wolverine was very important in Xmen DOFP. And the fact he isn't relevant in Apocalypse or FC just proves wrong the people who say the X-franchise is too reliant on him. Wolverine is not important in DOFP. That role belonged to Kitty Pryde.
|
|
|
Post by PreachCaleb on Sept 4, 2017 19:54:35 GMT
Exactly. Fox is unafraid to upset the status quo. After all, their first four movies were heavily dependent on Wolverine. No, they're terrified to shake up the status quo. hey eased up on Wolverine when fan outcry got loud enough, but even then, they kept giving him his own movies. So no, there was no real change. So again, zero risk. Disagree. As you said, they eased up on him. So the X-Men movies no longer had the same status quo.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 20:00:49 GMT
No, they're terrified to shake up the status quo. hey eased up on Wolverine when fan outcry got loud enough, but even then, they kept giving him his own movies. So no, there was no real change. So again, zero risk. Disagree. As you said, they eased up on him. So the X-Men movies no longer had the same status quo. Only because Jackman decided to quit. Otherwise, they'd still be using him constantly. I love how your refuse to give the MCU any credit but you glorify the shitty FoX-Men movies every chance you get, traitor.
|
|
|
Post by PreachCaleb on Sept 4, 2017 20:02:50 GMT
Well, no. As you pointed out, they eased up on Wolverine years before Jackman decided to quit. You, yourself, prove Fox was upsetting the status quo.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 20:03:56 GMT
That's not upsetting the status quo. That's abiding by what the fans were demanding of them. That is the very definition of playing it safe.
|
|
|
Post by PreachCaleb on Sept 4, 2017 20:06:17 GMT
Actually, it is.
Upsetting the status quo, whether fan influenced or not, involves changing things. That's exactly what Fox did. Whether it's safe or not is a different topic.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 20:10:20 GMT
Upsetting the status quo involves taking your viewers out of their comfort zone. They're stayed safely within the "grounded, let's-reuse-all-the-tropes-from-the-previous-films" territory completely.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 20:16:48 GMT
They killed off Logan in some far future future unconnected to the rest of the series. If they killed him in the present THEN it would be a change. As it is, it's a cop-out. As for the MCU, I suppose you need Tony to be fanatically scouring the globe in a non-stop quest to kill Steve for things to be changed? Nah, I would have like Tony and Steve to still show they are fundamentally opposed but not write a stupid love letter. These guys tried to kill each other or seriously harm their allies and the audience is meant to believe that a simple letter from Cap cleans the air? Nope not buying it. Feige wanted a happy ending to make viewer's not question the purpose of the rest of the film. Nothing is resolved or concluded. Throw in a Tony Stank joke as well to make the dumb masses forget the serious tone "Civil War" was supposed to attain. Look at the ending of Dark Knight or Xmen First Class on how serious matters are not resolved completely but leaves the audience satisfied yet still questioning. Well who says the letter cleared the air? Tony just decided to not pursue Steve; they are not friends! Civil War had a serious tone, one joke doesn't make it dumb it had the same tone as most of the X Men movies. You shouldn't be acting all high and mighty by calling the people with differing opinions dumb down it just makes you look like an arrogant prick. X Men First Class was no better than Civil War in fact the only X Men movie I would say is better was Logan. The Dark Knight was just in a whole other class compared to all comic book movies but only the The Dark Knight not the entire trilogy.
|
|
|
Post by PreachCaleb on Sept 4, 2017 20:27:53 GMT
Upsetting the status quo involves taking your viewers out of their comfort zone. They're stayed safely within the "grounded, let's-reuse-all-the-tropes-from-the-previous-films" territory completely. Bingo. And that's what a new cast does.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 20:34:20 GMT
Upsetting the status quo involves taking your viewers out of their comfort zone. They're stayed safely within the "grounded, let's-reuse-all-the-tropes-from-the-previous-films" territory completely. Bingo. And that's what a new cast does. The new cast has done nothing of the sort.
|
|
|
Post by charzhino on Sept 4, 2017 21:00:32 GMT
Upsetting the status quo involves taking your viewers out of their comfort zone. They're stayed safely within the "grounded, let's-reuse-all-the-tropes-from-the-previous-films" territory completely. Like how all the 3 main Avenger films use the same trope of a villain causing them to fight each other before banding together and defeating said villain?
|
|
|
Post by charzhino on Sept 4, 2017 21:03:25 GMT
[Well who says the letter cleared the air? Tony just decided to not pursue Steve; they are not friends! I can say with confidence that the next Avengers film will only touch on the ending of CW and Tony will forgive him - as the upbeat ending suggests. The ending to CW didn't justify the violence we saw during it. And the only arrogant users on this board are samhmd, Thatguy and weirdraptor.
|
|