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Post by thenewnexus on Jul 9, 2017 21:03:39 GMT
Tom Holland was a better Spidey than Maguire,but the movie itself is not better than the first two Raimi its a solid 7 for a third attempt but better? No not even close Its gonna be awhile for they are topped.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 21:10:57 GMT
So what if it isnt like the source material? As long as it works and it clearly did there is no problem. Cuz you don't fuck with Spider-Man! He's unique but I'm really disturbed by this new franchise. Even TASM were better. Than you dont watch it anymore. No need to get so worked up about it. You are aware every movie always states 'based upon' instead 'copy of'? And thats a vood thing. If everything is the same as the source material there is no need to go see it.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 9, 2017 21:14:06 GMT
Tom Holland was a better Spidey than Maguire,but the movie itself is not better than the first two Raimi its a solid 7 for a third attempt but better? No not even close Its gonna be awhile for they are topped. I think it is actually. I just watched Spiderman 2 and I'll confidently say Homecoming is better.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 21:20:42 GMT
Tom Holland was a better Spidey than Maguire,but the movie itself is not better than the first two Raimi its a solid 7 for a third attempt but better? No not even close Its gonna be awhile for they are topped. I think it is actually. I just watched Spiderman 2 and I'll confidently say Homecoming is better. Ditto I saw SM1 to 3 and ASM1 last week and Homecoming is clearly the better film. The Raimi trilogy contains three movies that are basically the same. And the female lead is nothing more than a scream queen. In my memory they were better so I was surprised how weak these they actually came across.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 21:24:12 GMT
Tom Holland was a better Spidey than Maguire,but the movie itself is not better than the first two Raimi its a solid 7 for a third attempt but better? No not even close Its gonna be awhile for they are topped. I think it is actually. I just watched Spiderman 2 and I'll confidently say Homecoming is better. But how much did you like SM2 in the first place? Because if you weren't crazy about it to begin with then your post isn't really saying much. It's still in my top two comic book movies (right behind TDK) so Homecoming needs to be damnably brilliant to best it in my book. I guess I'll find out later this week when I go see it.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 9, 2017 21:47:35 GMT
I think it is actually. I just watched Spiderman 2 and I'll confidently say Homecoming is better. But how much did you like SM2 in the first place? Because if you weren't crazy about it to begin with then your post isn't really saying much. It's still in my top two comic book movies (right behind TDK) so Homecoming needs to be damnably brilliant to best it in my book. I guess I'll find out later this week when I go see it. It was the best Spiderman movie there was at the time. But if you watch them side by side now I think it's pretty clear that Homecoming is better. I don't see how you put S2 as 2nd only to TDK though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 21:50:54 GMT
But how much did you like SM2 in the first place? Because if you weren't crazy about it to begin with then your post isn't really saying much. It's still in my top two comic book movies (right behind TDK) so Homecoming needs to be damnably brilliant to best it in my book. I guess I'll find out later this week when I go see it. It was the best Spiderman movie there was at the time. But if you watch them side by side now I think it's pretty clear that Homecoming is better. I don't see how you put S2 as 2nd only to TDK though. Sounds like you never liked it much to begin with, then? That's fine. But I've yet to hear anyone that did love it say that Homecoming is better, so personally I don't expect it to be. I could list all the reasons why SM2 is my second all time comic movie but you've probably heard them all before anyway.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 9, 2017 21:53:01 GMT
It was the best Spiderman movie there was at the time. But if you watch them side by side now I think it's pretty clear that Homecoming is better. I don't see how you put S2 as 2nd only to TDK though. Sounds like you never liked it much to begin with, then? That's fine. But I've yet to hear anyone that did love it say that Homecoming is better, so personally I don't expect it to be. I could list all the reasons why SM2 is my second all time comic movie but you've probably heard them all before anyway. No I liked it. It sounds like you're just saying some people you know can't get over it.
The reasons I'd say SM2 isn't close to TDK largely center around the tons of time spent with a mopey crybaby peter. The first 30 minutes of that film are depressing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 22:00:08 GMT
Sounds like you never liked it much to begin with, then? That's fine. But I've yet to hear anyone that did love it say that Homecoming is better, so personally I don't expect it to be. I could list all the reasons why SM2 is my second all time comic movie but you've probably heard them all before anyway. No I liked it. It sounds like you're just saying some people you know can't get over it.
The reasons I'd say SM2 isn't close to TDK largely center around the tons of time spent with a mopey crybaby peter. The first 30 minutes of that film are depressing.
I'm not sure what you mean by "get over it"... You don't have to forget the old to enjoy the new. I don't understand why so many people feel that way. And a lot of times (most times actually) the old IS better. Also I absolutely don't find any part of SM2 depressing. I think it has plenty of fun moments throughout, especially in the first 30 minutes... The pizza sequence, JJ Jamison at the bugle, ECT. Sure, Peter's life sucks but that's the perfect set up to a "Spiderman No More" adaptation. Anyway, difference of opinion I suppose. Agree to disagree.
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Post by thenewnexus on Jul 9, 2017 22:05:09 GMT
Tom Holland was a better Spidey than Maguire,but the movie itself is not better than the first two Raimi its a solid 7 for a third attempt but better? No not even close Its gonna be awhile for they are topped. I think it is actually. I just watched Spiderman 2 and I'll confidently say Homecoming is better. I don't even Think its better than ASM. I agree with a lot of things that are being praised about Homecoming but don't consider it the best. Again for a third attempt its just ok imo nothing more nothing less
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Post by charzhino on Jul 9, 2017 23:11:43 GMT
The reasons I'd say SM2 isn't close to TDK largely center around the tons of time spent with a mopey crybaby peter. The first 30 minutes of that film are depressing. Thats good world building from Raimi then. In his situation, hes not going to be joking and laughing at his point in life. The whole film revolves around his burden of being Spiderman, the guilt of Uncle Bens death and juggling a million other things at once. "Sometimes its necessary to give up the things you want the most. Even your dreams", is an integral quote from Spiderman 2 and forms the thematic basis of that film. In the end, he gets the balance right. And I believe SMH took inspiration from that as well with Peter turning down Stark at the end, even though it was his dream to join the Avengers for the entire film.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 9, 2017 23:34:48 GMT
I think it is actually. I just watched Spiderman 2 and I'll confidently say Homecoming is better. I don't even Think its better than ASM. I agree with a lot of things that are being praised about Homecoming but don't consider it the best. Again for a third attempt its just ok imo nothing more nothing less I think it's brilliant actually. ASM was just a clone of SM2. This is something clearly unique in terms of the angle they are taking, and so many little aspects play into it. The car scene where Vulture figures it out is the tits.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 9, 2017 23:37:32 GMT
Thats good world building from Raimi then. In his situation, hes not going to be joking and laughing at his point in life. The whole film revolves around his burden of being Spiderman, the guilt of Uncle Bens death and juggling a million other things at once. "Sometimes its necessary to give up the things you want the most. Even your dreams", is an integral quote from Spiderman 2 and forms the thematic basis of that film. In the end, he gets the balance right. And I believe SMH took inspiration from that as well with Peter turning down Stark at the end, even though it was his dream to join the Avengers for the entire film. And it makes me want to stop watching. In fact I did. I came home, was excited to put on Spidey 2, and I turned it off at the theater scene. Aunt May is losing her house, everybody is disappointed in Peter, and for some reason MJ is a whore who is baiting Peter to commit to her but kisses another guy right after the show she was sad Peter didn't show up for. I physically loathe her character and would be more apt to root for her to have died in that first movie. I would hate for Peter to wind up with that. I thought the balance was way off watching it again.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jul 10, 2017 3:17:37 GMT
Um... a guy trying to be romantic to win over a girl he's already hurt makes him a "douche" that you want to punch?? Wow. That sums up the mindset of your average MCU fan. I'll have to remember not to take ANYTHING you say seriously from now on. I think you missed the point.
He was so whiney and wimpy about her the entire time.
Yes, I yelling at the screen to just ask her out already, and he spent more time crying about it instead.
I believe that was the point, though. He was strong in the costume, but not as Peter Parker. He also didn't want any harm to come of her again by his enemies (but he fails at that).
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 10, 2017 3:59:06 GMT
I think you missed the point.
He was so whiney and wimpy about her the entire time.
Yes, I yelling at the screen to just ask her out already, and he spent more time crying about it instead.
I believe that was the point, though. He was strong in the costume, but not as Peter Parker. He also didn't want any harm to come of her again by his enemies (but he fails at that). I know, and the fact that it was the point is my point. I wasn't rooting for him, I wanted to slap him and tell him to stop being such a pussy. And Mary Jane was a slut, let's be honest. If some girl was openly seeing some guy but got all puppy dog eyed telling me she was really just waiting for me, I'd tell her to eat shit. What a drama queen. Forget her.
Listen I'm not really here to bash Spidey 2, but I do think Peter, MJ, and Harry were all really annoying, whereas all of the characters in Homecoming were likeable and had realistic personalities and motivations.
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Post by merh on Jul 10, 2017 6:18:44 GMT
Thats good world building from Raimi then. In his situation, hes not going to be joking and laughing at his point in life. The whole film revolves around his burden of being Spiderman, the guilt of Uncle Bens death and juggling a million other things at once. "Sometimes its necessary to give up the things you want the most. Even your dreams", is an integral quote from Spiderman 2 and forms the thematic basis of that film. In the end, he gets the balance right. And I believe SMH took inspiration from that as well with Peter turning down Stark at the end, even though it was his dream to join the Avengers for the entire film. And it makes me want to stop watching. In fact I did. I came home, was excited to put on Spidey 2, and I turned it off at the theater scene. Aunt May is losing her house, everybody is disappointed in Peter, and for some reason MJ is a whore who is baiting Peter to commit to her but kisses another guy right after the show she was sad Peter didn't show up for. I physically loathe her character and would be more apt to root for her to have died in that first movie. I would hate for Peter to wind up with that. I thought the balance was way off watching it again. But that IS Peter Parker's life. He tries to do the right thing as Spider-Man but don't see a dime for it outside of selling pics of his work. His vigilante work DOES interfere with his real life. He doesn't get his laundry done. He misses dates. He fails to study for tests. It's what drew me to the character. His life isn't neat & clean like Clark Kent's or Bruce Wayne's. We see Peter Parker as much as we see Spider-Man. Spider-Man is the secret identity unlike Clark Kent being the safe refuge for Kal El to hide in.
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Post by miike80 on Jul 10, 2017 6:48:04 GMT
(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
After taking a day to let Homecoming sink in, I find that it definitely is better than Spiderman 2. Not by a mile or anything, but if you haven't seen Spidey 2 in awhile, I watched it when I got home. Go back and check it out.
1. Peter reads poetry to Mary Jane. There are no moments in Homecoming where you want to punch Peter in the face like there were in Spidey 2. Homecoming has some great nervous tension between Peter and girls, but he actually man's up about it and isn't such a douche. It reminded me of my first time asking out a girl, not knowing what to expect, feeling like you're putting yourself out there, definitely being nervous about it, but also knowing you really want to and doing it instead of being a crybaby. Homecoming Peter is much more likeable in that regard.
2. Homecoming is far more funny, and in a way that works. The teacher who finds Ned in the computer room and he lies by saying "I'm watching porn." the Ferris Bueller reference, "I've got ice cream in here", there were just tons of great moments.
3. The car ride with Vulture. That is the best scene in a Spiderman movie, where you see Vulture actively trying to put the pieces together, and in the end, he gives Peter a strong warning and one last chance. Because he isn't just an evil villain. He is well developed character who has reasons why he's doing what he's doing, and that scene wraps him up as the best Spidey villain so far for my money. We may disagree sometimes just because I think the MCU is not 100% perfect even tho I like it as a whole. However,on this matter we agree I liked it way more than the Raimi trilogy
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 10, 2017 11:44:33 GMT
And it makes me want to stop watching. In fact I did. I came home, was excited to put on Spidey 2, and I turned it off at the theater scene. Aunt May is losing her house, everybody is disappointed in Peter, and for some reason MJ is a whore who is baiting Peter to commit to her but kisses another guy right after the show she was sad Peter didn't show up for. I physically loathe her character and would be more apt to root for her to have died in that first movie. I would hate for Peter to wind up with that. I thought the balance was way off watching it again. But that IS Peter Parker's life. He tries to do the right thing as Spider-Man but don't see a dime for it outside of selling pics of his work. His vigilante work DOES interfere with his real life. He doesn't get his laundry done. He misses dates. He fails to study for tests. It's what drew me to the character. His life isn't neat & clean like Clark Kent's or Bruce Wayne's. We see Peter Parker as much as we see Spider-Man. Spider-Man is the secret identity unlike Clark Kent being the safe refuge for Kal El to hide in. It wasn't Tom Holland's life. Being Spiderman got in the way, but he didn't spend the whole movie crying about how he couldn't ask anybody to the dance even. There's a difference I'm trying to point out.
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Post by DSDSquared on Jul 10, 2017 11:49:47 GMT
Opinions be damned, anyone who think The Amazing Spiderman movies are better than Homecoming is a moron. Period.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 10, 2017 11:58:27 GMT
Opinions be damned, anyone who think The Amazing Spiderman movies are better than Homecoming is a moron. Period. Are they? I didn't even bother to watch the 2nd one. The first one seemed like a cross between a remake of Spidey 2 and what Spidey 4 would have been, and I wasn't into it because they did the reboot too fast anyway, so I was kind of annoyed it even existed. I've never seen the second one mostly due to all the feedback.
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