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Post by hoskotafe3 on Jul 16, 2017 23:30:36 GMT
I actually liked Missy, but feel that she would have been more interesting at every point had she been a new character and not The Master. Whether a long lost Academy Flame or a kissing cousin, just about anything would have been better than a female master. And from there you can have the exact same character arc and still end it the same way.
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Post by spooner5020 on Jul 16, 2017 23:48:13 GMT
I''m watchin broadchurch right now and already I don't like her. She's got an annoying voice.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 17, 2017 0:32:33 GMT
Eh I'll give her a chance. I'm just disappointed that they didn't get a Redhead.
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Post by reelreviews2 on Jul 17, 2017 0:39:40 GMT
I never said that people called him the best Doctor ever. Ahem. At no point in Peter Calpaldi's run was the public fawning over him and claiming he was the "Best. Doctor. Ever." (although for the record, I think he COULD have been the best Doctor ever IF Moffat hadn't ruined all the episodes he appeared) People are just claiming "every" Doctor is eventually seen as the "Best Doctor Ever" to say the backlash against the new casting is 'typical' and eventually fans will adore the new choice. Ain't true. The BBC wasn't getting rave reviews for the 6th and 7th Doctor being the "best ever" when they left the franchise, either. I have made no announcements regarding Season 11. I will wait until more information is available before making a decision. (Remember, I did not call for a boycott of Season 10 until I saw the godawful trailer with "Bill") I HAVE said we should BOYCOTT the Christmas special because Moffat is in charge of it and he will likely ruin Calpadi's "send off", and I stand by that. What's very interesting here is the BBC shills/Moffat apologists seem EAGER to encourage people to stop watching Doctor Who AFTER Moffat leaves. Given how bad the ratings CURRENTLY are, you'd think they'd want to do "damage control" and try to win over disgruntled fans because the BBC can't afford to lose even MORE loyal viewers than they're already lost over the last three seasons. If I was a fanboy of the current mess and I saw even MORE people were planning to join the boycott and the show might get cancelled, I'd be telling people "hey, let's give it a chance, Chibnall has potential and we've never seen this actress so maybe she'll be good in the role, you can't prejudge her" blah blah blah. My guess is the BBC shills/Moffat apologists might be secretly HOPING Doctor Who completely collapses under Chibnall's tenure (due to the franchise being in horrible shape when Moffat handed it over to him). That way, they can continue to spread their propaganda about how much "better" it was with "Bill" on the show and how awesome "Series 10" and the constant "I'm oppressed because I'm gay" scripts were compared to the "inferior" 2018 episodes, even though we know reality is fans absolutely loathed what Moffat did to Doctor Who. They might even try to use a failed 2018 season to spread propaganda that the BBC needs to bring back "Bill" and Moffat to "save" the show. If Moffat was in charge of "Series 11", there would be little doubt that the new casting would totally be exploited to promote "transgender rights" and EVERY episode would have the new Doctor going "oh why can't people just accept that I've transitioned to female now? The human race is so bigoted against people changing gender but I'm PROUD of my new female identity" blah blah blah. However, Moffat is NOT in charge of the new season, so there's a chance Chibnall's run will actually focus on telling good, compelling science fiction stories instead of pandering to the SJWs. In any case, regardless of how it turns out, I fully expect the SJWs to scream "you're just a SEXIST who can't accept the Doctor is a WOMAN now!!" to demonize anyone who has legitimate criticisms about how the show is going, just as they did with the godawful Ghostbusters reboot. It couldn't possibly be that the script and direction of the movie was awful, nope, it was "sexism" of course. Finally, I will say its terrible timing to make the Doctor a woman now. It reeks of desperation because people are bored and tired of the show and the ratings have fallen apart, so they need to do something for shock value to create "buzz", AND we know how much Moffat likes to pander to SJWs, so any claim that he cast the actress because "she was the best choice and did the best audition" is suspect (just look at Jenny Flint and tell me she has ANY personality traits besides being in a lesbian marriage). A good time would have probably been after Tom Baker left the show and the character had already hinted he could regenerate as a woman, but they gave us the bland Davison Doctor instead. After 50+ years of the Doctor being a man, it really doesn't work now. But in any case, I say hold fire, take a deep breathe, let's research what's going on. If the Moffat apologists, BBC shills, and "Bill" supporters here WELCOME the fact that MORE people will boycott NEXT season, we should certainly give that tactic a pause before pursuing it.
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Post by NewtJorden on Jul 17, 2017 1:04:32 GMT
I never said that people called him the best Doctor ever. Ahem. At no point in Peter Calpaldi's run was the public fawning over him and claiming he was the "Best. Doctor. Ever." (although for the record, I think he COULD have been the best Doctor ever IF Moffat hadn't ruined all the episodes he appeared) People are just claiming "every" Doctor is eventually seen as the "Best Doctor Ever" to say the backlash against the new casting is 'typical' and eventually fans will adore the new choice. Ain't true. The BBC wasn't getting rave reviews for the 6th and 7th Doctor being the "best ever" when they left the franchise, either. I have made no announcements regarding Season 11. I will wait until more information is available before making a decision. (Remember, I did not call for a boycott of Season 10 until I saw the godawful trailer with "Bill") I HAVE said we should BOYCOTT the Christmas special because Moffat is in charge of it and he will likely ruin Calpadi's "send off", and I stand by that. What's very interesting here is the BBC shills/Moffat apologists seem EAGER to encourage people to stop watching Doctor Who AFTER Moffat leaves. Given how bad the ratings CURRENTLY are, you'd think they'd want to do "damage control" and try to win over disgruntled fans because the BBC can't afford to lose even MORE loyal viewers than they're already lost over the last three seasons. If I was a fanboy of the current mess and I saw even MORE people were planning to join the boycott and the show might get cancelled, I'd be telling people "hey, let's give it a chance, Chibnall has potential and we've never seen this actress so maybe she'll be good in the role, you can't prejudge her" blah blah blah. My guess is the BBC shills/Moffat apologists might be secretly HOPING Doctor Who completely collapses under Chibnall's tenure (due to the franchise being in horrible shape when Moffat handed it over to him). That way, they can continue to spread their propaganda about how much "better" it was with "Bill" on the show and how awesome "Series 10" and the constant "I'm oppressed because I'm gay" scripts were compared to the "inferior" 2018 episodes, even though we know reality is fans absolutely loathed what Moffat did to Doctor Who. They might even try to use a failed 2018 season to spread propaganda that the BBC needs to bring back "Bill" and Moffat to "save" the show. If Moffat was in charge of "Series 11", there would be little doubt that the new casting would totally be exploited to promote "transgender rights" and EVERY episode would have the new Doctor going "oh why can't people just accept that I've transitioned to female now? The human race is so bigoted against people changing gender but I'm PROUD of my new female identity" blah blah blah. However, Moffat is NOT in charge of the new season, so there's a chance Chibnall's run will actually focus on telling good, compelling science fiction stories instead of pandering to the SJWs. In any case, regardless of how it turns out, I fully expect the SJWs to scream "you're just a SEXIST who can't accept the Doctor is a WOMAN now!!" to demonize anyone who has legitimate criticisms about how the show is going, just as they did with the godawful Ghostbusters reboot. It couldn't possibly be that the script and direction of the movie was awful, nope, it was "sexism" of course. Finally, I will say its terrible timing to make the Doctor a woman now. It reeks of desperation because people are bored and tired of the show and the ratings have fallen apart, so they need to do something for shock value to create "buzz", AND we know how much Moffat likes to pander to SJWs, so any claim that he cast the actress because "she was the best choice and did the best audition" is suspect (just look at Jenny Flint and tell me she has ANY personality traits besides being in a lesbian marriage). A good time would have probably been after Tom Baker left the show and the character had already hinted he could regenerate as a woman, but they gave us the bland Davison Doctor instead. After 50+ years of the Doctor being a man, it really doesn't work now. But in any case, I say hold fire, take a deep breathe, let's research what's going on. If the Moffat apologists, BBC shills, and "Bill" supporters here WELCOME the fact that MORE people will boycott NEXT season, we should certainly give that tactic a pause before pursuing it. You need glasses buddy, because i'm not the one who post the 5 step thing.
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Jul 17, 2017 1:10:11 GMT
"Grandfather?! So now you're grandmother?!" < You can substitute either grandma or grandmum.
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Post by reelreviews2 on Jul 17, 2017 1:45:46 GMT
He is just a racist (his problems with Bill were all about her appereance), sexist, homophobe trumptard. How to expect something different from him? . That's odd, I recall being an outspoken NeverTrumper during the campaign season, actually. I keep telling the Trumpies they are delusional to think Trump will ever a yuuuuuuuuuuuuge wall that Mexico will pay for, and the Trumpies are still in denial that Trump had no intention of keeping his campaign promise to repeal Obamacare and move the US Embassy to Jerusalem. But hey, facts don't matter to you, since you're a Moffat apologists who will just scream racism and homophobia if anyone dares to point out how much the show sucks now. Funny how the ratings weren't plummeting when Captain Jack and Martha were on Doctor Who. Shouldn't have all those nasty racist sexist homophobic people have tuned out back then? I know, facts are pesky things.
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Post by reelreviews2 on Jul 17, 2017 2:02:24 GMT
He is just a racist (his problems with Bill were all about her appereance). Fun fact: If they cast the most gorgeous black female they could find to play "Bill" (say, Samantha Mumba or someone along those lines), she STILL would have been a horribly written character and I would have STILL boycotted the show (although I might have sat thru the first episode and not realized it sucked until I realized how poorly written her character was). The reverse is also true, if they cast some really nasty homely woman to play Clara (say Camilla Parker-Bowles), the "Impossible Girl" storyline would STILL be compelling and make the character watchable and interesting. Facts are like Kryptonite to you Moffat shills.
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Post by pk9 on Jul 17, 2017 2:55:04 GMT
He's my favorite and I say he's the best Doctor ever. Just need one other person to agree and it will be "people".
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Post by Larcen26 on Jul 17, 2017 3:04:49 GMT
Sign me up.
The beauty of this show is the built in ability to re-invent itself.
Can't wait to see what they do with her.
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Post by reelreviews2 on Jul 17, 2017 3:47:23 GMT
I actually liked Missy, but feel that she would have been more interesting at every point had she been a new character and not The Master. Whether a long lost Academy Flame or a kissing cousin, just about anything would have been better than a female master. And from there you can have the exact same character arc and still end it the same way. Hmmm. If that had been the case (a never-before-mentioned time lord girlfriend of the Doctor from centuries ago or a cousin of his and so on), I don't think it would have had the same emotional impact or gravitas as when Missy was revealed as THE MASTER. The horrified look on Calpaldi's face knowing THE MASTER'S history (and the audience knowing it was well) was one of the FEW bright spots of the Calpaldi era, and I consider Dark Water to be one of the few "good" episodes of the Calpadi era. It really hit me like a ton of bricks. That being said, since it appears the whole "Missy" thing was just a 'test run' for a female Doctor (and by the way, BBC, your 'test run' failed. Most fans think Missy was a lousy incarnation of the Master. I actually LIKED her, but MY views are in the minority), it kind of cheapens it in hindsight. Given the Master's trait of constantly disguising himself in some form you'd never guess, it might have made more sense if it had been a traditional male Master in drag. Still, I thought Michelle Gomez gave a great performance, and I consider her to be a much better and more sinister and creepy Master than John Simms giggling "insane" idiot (though I think neither of the nuWho masters holds a candle to the classic Who Masters, or even Eric Roberts badass Master that British people hate because they're biased against an American playing the role)
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Post by reelreviews2 on Jul 17, 2017 5:29:28 GMT
I know you're a bit dim on this subject, but get it into your head : there is no boycott. Yeah right, and there's "no moon landing" in 1969 because some idiots on the internet SAY there's not -- despite overwhelming evidence showing them they're wrong. Well gosh, if you SAY there's "no boycott", it must be true, in spite of overwhelming evidence demonstrating that millions of people have publicly said they will REFUSE to watch the show. Knowing Moffat and his ilk, I seriously doubt she was the "best actor" (actually actress) for the job (and I suspect she was cast just to pander to the SJWs), but I have no way of knowing whether she will suck as The Doctor until I learn more and see some footage. And who will be her co-stars? What will be the storyline? We need more information before we can conclude if it will suck. Ditto with last season when I waited to see the first trailer BEFORE I was certain it would suck. You brain dead Moffat shills that have been predicting I would AUTOMATICALLY scream "BOYCOTT!!!" again next season must be really disappointed I DIDN'T do so. I'm sure you've been no doubt been waiting to scream SEXIST!!! at anyone who points out ANY flaws in the next season and you're intent on calling me that anyway no matter WHAT my reaction is (short of blindly worshiping everything the BBC gives us) but unfortunately you're not going to get your chance to scream "REELREVIEWS HATES THE WOMAN CAST AS THE DOCTOR AND THEREFORE HE IS SEXIST!!!" Sorry to disappoint. My response to the poll question "Jodie Whittaker as the new Doctor?" would be: "UNDECIDED. Not too keen on the idea (sounds like desperation after 50+ years of a male actor in the role), but not nearly as bad as last season's decision to replace Clara with a ugly butch lesbian with a man's name"
In any case, the fact so many Moffat apologists/BBC shills on the internet seem EAGER to encourage MORE people to boycott (" Good riddance", "Don't the door hit ya on the way out", "If you don't like the new Doctor choice, don't watch", etc.) is certainly suspect and gives me pause. No "fan" of a current show, no matter how much it sucked, would want to help push longtime viewers NOT to watch the show anymore, especially given how low the ratings ALREADY are and the fact that anymore defections from their core fan base could cripple the show. Clearly, you Moffat apologists are up to something, and we should all be very cautious about you ENCOURAGING us to "leave". The most likely reason why is that you KNOW Moffat and his FAILED ugly black lesbian character won't be there next season, so if Doctor Who crashes and burns next year, you can all point the finger at Chris Chibnall and/or "sexism". You can then point to how much "better" the show was in 2017 when Moffat was in charge and giving us "look at me, I'm a black lesbian" social justice warrior garbage every week, and you will start a campaign to encourage the BBC to bring back Moffat and/or "Bill" to "rescue" the show. Several Moffat apologists/BBC shills were so deranged they are actively trying to get the Doctor to regenerate INTO Bill, and this seems to be your insidious "end goal". In any case, we will NOT fall for that or play your game. We stand ready to boycott, if and WHEN it is necessary. But we will do it on OUR TERMS. For now, the boycott WILL continue through the 2017 Christmas special.
The response from the fans for next season is Yet To Be Determined. We will be studying what's happening closely and see if there is any hope of saving OUR show from the damage Moffat, his shills, and SJWs have done to it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 7:13:23 GMT
Yep, I knew the SJW train would continue rolling through. Looks like I'm NOT watching this show for awhile.
BBC "eh our ratings are down since Bill came along, how can we fix it"
Chibnall "What if I make the Dr a woman"
BBC "Brilliant!, That'll bring back the anti SJW crowd"
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Post by azzajones on Jul 17, 2017 7:14:43 GMT
Would like a third option, no so much a believer in binary options This puzzles me going forward, will they now alternative between male & female doctors, or will it be female doctors from now on?
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Post by JHA Durant on Jul 17, 2017 7:37:02 GMT
I actually liked Missy, but feel that she would have been more interesting at every point had she been a new character and not The Master. Whether a long lost Academy Flame or a kissing cousin, just about anything would have been better than a female master. And from there you can have the exact same character arc and still end it the same way. Something they could've done was bring back The Rani, instead of making the Master a woman. She was pretty good at being an evil Time Lord that wasn't the Master. But anyway... Hey, at least Doctor Who won't be upstaged by the companion every episode any more, like Matt Smith and Peter Capaldi (and David Tennant, at times) were!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 9:47:05 GMT
Yeah right, and there's "no moon landing" in 1969 because some idiots on the internet SAY there's not -- despite overwhelming evidence showing them they're wrong. Well gosh, if you SAY there's "no boycott", it must be true, in spite of overwhelming evidence demonstrating that millions of people have publicly said they will REFUSE to watch the show. No, they haven't. You're a sad little man with delusions of adequacy, pretending he's part of a big movement. Nothing more, nothing less. You've mixed up "knowing" with "wanting to be true" again. Lol, paranoid much? I'm not eager to encourage your boycott to increase to three or even two people, particularly. I'm more amused by the fact that you're here waving your impotent little fists and making a big noise about something you have absolutely no control over. I'm also amused by the constant stream of threats, followed as they are by the total failure to do the one thing you would actually do if you really believed everything you said, which is to walk away from the show. No, it won't. Again : There is no boycott. You can't continue something that does not exist.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 9:49:12 GMT
Would like a third option, no so much a believer in binary options This puzzles me going forward, will they now alternative between male & female doctors, or will it be female doctors from now on? I'd imagine it will depend on the auditions. If they find a good actor each time I'd be fine with a second female Doctor - or a run of thirteen female Doctors, for that matter. Why not? They shouldn't deliberately set out to do an affirmative action hire of a male actor for the part though. If a man can't be the best then a man shouldn't get the role.
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Post by Larcen26 on Jul 17, 2017 12:59:44 GMT
I've already gotten BINGO just from this thread...
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Post by Catman on Jul 17, 2017 13:07:34 GMT
People also complained about Captain Janeway.
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Post by Larcen26 on Jul 17, 2017 13:27:01 GMT
People also complained about Captain Janeway. And are complaining about the female characters in the new Star Trek. Isn't it weird how people find it upsetting when they aren't represented in positive ways in media?
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