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Post by jrcash on Feb 26, 2017 3:22:14 GMT
It is set in England and Scotland, primarily, but also features the America's at one point, during the late 1700's, on the verge of the Revolutionary war, in addition to featuring the battle of Culloden, for those who know a little about Scottish history. The show is a bit sappy and probably up most women's alley, versus the men, but it has it's moments for the guys, as well, I'd say. Here's the wiki fandom page with more info: Outlander Wiki
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Feb 28, 2017 10:39:27 GMT
Thank you for starting this thread. Outlander is one of my favourite shows.
I finished Season 2 on Blu-ray at the end of last year (I had to wait until they came out to get to see the episodes, same with Season 1) and I have to say, other than the Season 2 premiere, and the episodes āFaithā, āThe Foxās Lairā and āDragonfly in Amberā, no other episodes really stood out to me in Season 2. Sure, there were parts of episodes that were good, some funny moments here and there, and some really good dramatic moments too, but on the whole I was rather underwhelmed by Season 2.
Meanwhile, I found the first half of Season 1 to be near perfect television (I havenāt read the books, so I had nothing to compare the episodes to, which might have helped my enjoyment). I know some found the first half of Season 1 āslowā and/or āboringā, but I personally was enthralled for every second of those episodes. I appreciated the time they took with scenes and that they werenāt afraid to just focus/hold on the actorsā faces and have periods of silence at times. Everything felt very purposeful and like they were giving the episodes time to ābreatheā in a way.
Although the majority of Season 2 was somewhat of a letdown after the near-perfection of Season 1, I appreciated the episodes a bit more upon rewatch (though they still donāt hold a candle to Season 1ās episodes, for me). However, after watching the Season 2 final, I must say...wow! What a final! FINALLY, that was the show that Iād been missing throughout most of Season 2. It was like getting another Season 1 episode again. It was all done so exceptionally well. It felt like what an Outlander movie may have been like.
I think all the actors are great, but Caitriona Balfe, Sam Heughan and Tobias Menzies especially. Itāll be quite a while before I get to see Season 3 where I am, but the Season 2 final restored my faith in the show and I canāt wait for next season.
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Post by misternick on Feb 28, 2017 19:10:02 GMT
Season two should be back in September. I read that they have been shooting in South Africa!
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Post by jrcash on Mar 1, 2017 12:07:06 GMT
Definitely love season 1 over 2 as well, agree that it's paced better. I've been reading the books (currently on book 4) and we're in for quite the adventure in terms of traveling and the like; with the books, if you want something that'll last or you like a large book, go for it. I'm getting a little burnt out because I've been reading one right after the other, but they're also so thick that it can be a bit of a chore! But again, I've been reading one right after the other once I'm finished, that I'm getting a bit burnt out. But I do like a good series of books, so it's been nice to have something to read, but I've bought other things to read that I may just have to take a break from Outlander and start something else.
I'm excited for season 3, as I've grown to love one "new: character, Jamie's nephew, Ian. If I can compare him to another character, in terms of appreciation and love, it would be Fergus; wee Ian is much like his Uncle, only younger (16) and a perhaps a little too much like him at times when it comes to adventure. I just want to gobble up any new news and promos for the new season, but I don't want to OD, quite yet (not that there'd be a ton in February).
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Mar 1, 2017 22:11:13 GMT
This may sound like strange logic, but itās because I enjoyed Season 1 so much that I elected not to read the books. Normally one would think that if you enjoy a show adaptation of a book, you would typically want to seek out what happens next immediately by going to read the next book in the series. However, with Season 1, I knew very little of what was to come, and that added to my enjoyment of the show. So it was for that reason I didnāt go seeking out the books. As much as I wanted to know what happened next, I figured that if I did go read them, then it could take quite a bit of the surprise out of the show and with it my enjoyment.
Of course, it seems like even the book-readers are enjoying the show (though obviously comparisons with the books and knowing whatās been left out/changed would have impact on book-readersā enjoyment of the show at least a bit, wouldnāt it? Or is the show that rarity where things missing from the book/things changed from the book are improvements in the show? Or is it a mix of both?).
Oddly, itās my way of expressing just how much I enjoy the show - that I want to watch each season without knowing much if anything about whatās going to happen. There are other shows where I read spoilers for them because I just simply didnāt care enough about them if I was spoiled for what was going to happen. Meanwhile, there used to be shows where I liked them SO much, but couldnāt help myself and just had to read spoilers about what was yet to come.
Itās different with Outlander. Obviously Iām eager for more, but donāt wish to diminish the surprises that come with not knowing whatās going to happen next in the TV series. It was only after I started Season 2 on Blu-ray that my curiosity got the better of me and I read some stuff I probably shouldnāt have. But from what little Iāve heard about Book 3, it sounds like it will hopefully make for an outstanding Season 3 of the show, so itās best I try not to get too spoiled for next season (though I do know one or two things about it already).
As for Fergus ā I rarely if ever like ākidā characters in shows/movies/books, as more often than not they annoy me and just wind up getting adult characters hurt/killed, but I didnāt mind Fergus. He managed to remain relatively non-annoying. I really liked his different relationships that developed with Claire, Jamie and Murtagh.
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Post by jrcash on Mar 4, 2017 15:23:29 GMT
I completely understand where you are coming from! One thing I've enjoyed about the books, is that it does, obviously, delve into their world more so than the show allows them to, due to time constraints. And boy, are these books detailed; which is not bad at all, but I've also powered through the last three books, that now that I'm on book four, I'm getting a little burnt out. I did watch the entire first season before reading the first book, so while a tad redundant, it was enjoyable to read and I appreciated Frank more in the book than in the show.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Mar 6, 2017 6:29:14 GMT
I completely understand where you are coming from! One thing I've enjoyed about the books, is that it does, obviously, delve into their world more so than the show allows them to, due to time constraints. And boy, are these books detailed; which is not bad at all, but I've also powered through the last three books, that now that I'm on book four, I'm getting a little burnt out. I did watch the entire first season before reading the first book, so while a tad redundant, it was enjoyable to read and I appreciated Frank more in the book than in the show. I think I might try what you did and read the first book (since I've seen the first season), then read the second book (since I've also watched the second season), and do it that way. As I really don't want to spoil any more surprises than I already have for myself regarding the show. It's interesting to hear that you appreciated Frank more in the book than in the show. I pretty much had guessed that thereād be a decent percentage of people who werenāt Frank fans, though not having read the books, I can only judge him on how heās been presented in the show, which is why I have felt some sympathy for him ā as, to me, he has been portrayed as sympathetic there. Whereas, after hearing some other fans' comments regarding how he's portrayed in the books, Iād wager that if heād acted in the show like he did in the books, I'd maybe not sympathise with him as much. To me, it seems the show is presenting him in a somewhat different light, so I canāt help but feel sorry for him at times. Though I am most certainly for Claire/Jamie all the way. **spoilers for Season 2 below for anyone who hasn't watched it yet** Caitriona Balfe has a difficult job, I think, as Iām sure there were people hating the way her character was acting once reunited with Frank...but I could understand her behavior. We know she missed Frank terribly in Season 1. There were multiple instances where that was made very clear, but obviously a lot happened since then and I think her behavior in the Season 2 premiere, whilst perhaps not admirable or likeable, was at least understandable from her perspective. I thought Caitriona did such a good job conveying all of Claireās conflicting/complicated emotions. When she informed Frank of her pregnancy, and he reacted with a balled up fist like he was going to strike - I think the way sheād been breaking all this information to him came across, at least partially, like she was wanting him to get mad with her, she seemed like she wanted him to hate her, because heād been so unbelievably understanding with this great info dump sheād given him that she thought she deserved his anger. Is that how it was presented in the book? Or was it more she wanted him angry at/hating her because then sheād have a ābetter reasonā to be thinking of only Jamie and missing him and not really caring about Frank that much? Like, if heād actually gotten physical with her, she couldāve justified her unhappiness at being back moreso? All I know is that the episode, whilst Iām sure some found it slow/boring, was in no way like that for me. Then again, I felt the same for the first episode of Season 1. I was not at all bored before she traveled through the stones ā but then, I didnāt really know what was coming. Obviously that episode picked up once she did. I really loved the transition from time periods in the Season 2 premiere, with Frankās hand held out for Claire and turning into Jamieās...and that reveal of him was awesome. Apologies for going on and on, I just love this show so much and feel itās one of the very few which I could discuss for ages, finding new things to talk about in regards to it.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Jul 28, 2017 9:18:02 GMT
The Outlander Season 3 trailer (obviously spoilerish if you havenāt watched all of Season 2 yet and/or donāt want to know anything about Season 3):
Somehow I'd managed to miss seeing that this was released until just today. I think the fact that Season 2 just started on the TV here reminded me to check to see if there was any footage released for Season 3 yet. It'll be some time before I ever get to watch the season (will be waiting for it on DVD/Blu-ray).
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Post by HirundoRustica on Jul 30, 2017 10:00:42 GMT
I wasn't that into S2, but the S3 trailer looks amazing. Really looking forward to watching the new eps.
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Post by jrcash on Oct 3, 2017 21:11:45 GMT
I completely understand where you are coming from! One thing I've enjoyed about the books, is that it does, obviously, delve into their world more so than the show allows them to, due to time constraints. And boy, are these books detailed; which is not bad at all, but I've also powered through the last three books, that now that I'm on book four, I'm getting a little burnt out. I did watch the entire first season before reading the first book, so while a tad redundant, it was enjoyable to read and I appreciated Frank more in the book than in the show. I think I might try what you did and read the first book (since I've seen the first season), then read the second book (since I've also watched the second season), and do it that way. As I really don't want to spoil any more surprises than I already have for myself regarding the show. It's interesting to hear that you appreciated Frank more in the book than in the show. I pretty much had guessed that thereād be a decent percentage of people who werenāt Frank fans, though not having read the books, I can only judge him on how heās been presented in the show, which is why I have felt some sympathy for him ā as, to me, he has been portrayed as sympathetic there. Whereas, after hearing some other fans' comments regarding how he's portrayed in the books, Iād wager that if heād acted in the show like he did in the books, I'd maybe not sympathise with him as much. To me, it seems the show is presenting him in a somewhat different light, so I canāt help but feel sorry for him at times. Though I am most certainly for Claire/Jamie all the way. **spoilers for Season 2 below for anyone who hasn't watched it yet** Caitriona Balfe has a difficult job, I think, as Iām sure there were people hating the way her character was acting once reunited with Frank...but I could understand her behavior. We know she missed Frank terribly in Season 1. There were multiple instances where that was made very clear, but obviously a lot happened since then and I think her behavior in the Season 2 premiere, whilst perhaps not admirable or likeable, was at least understandable from her perspective. I thought Caitriona did such a good job conveying all of Claireās conflicting/complicated emotions. When she informed Frank of her pregnancy, and he reacted with a balled up fist like he was going to strike - I think the way sheād been breaking all this information to him came across, at least partially, like she was wanting him to get mad with her, she seemed like she wanted him to hate her, because heād been so unbelievably understanding with this great info dump sheād given him that she thought she deserved his anger. Is that how it was presented in the book? Or was it more she wanted him angry at/hating her because then sheād have a ābetter reasonā to be thinking of only Jamie and missing him and not really caring about Frank that much? Like, if heād actually gotten physical with her, she couldāve justified her unhappiness at being back moreso? All I know is that the episode, whilst Iām sure some found it slow/boring, was in no way like that for me. Then again, I felt the same for the first episode of Season 1. I was not at all bored before she traveled through the stones ā but then, I didnāt really know what was coming. Obviously that episode picked up once she did. I really loved the transition from time periods in the Season 2 premiere, with Frankās hand held out for Claire and turning into Jamieās...and that reveal of him was awesome. Apologies for going on and on, I just love this show so much and feel itās one of the very few which I could discuss for ages, finding new things to talk about in regards to it. Here is my very late reply, an article on Frank you might like that, that better articulates my feelings on Frank. Here's the link below FRANK ARTICLE
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Post by jrcash on Oct 3, 2017 21:15:01 GMT
Have really been enjoying the new season so far; certainly more enjoyable than the second season. Voyager (in terms of the book) has been a favorite of mine, as it gets back to the heart, I feel, of the series = adventure! Episode five can't come soon enough.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Oct 6, 2017 8:16:28 GMT
Have really been enjoying the new season so far; certainly more enjoyable than the second season. Voyager (in terms of the book) has been a favorite of mine, as it gets back to the heart, I feel, of the series = adventure! Episode five can't come soon enough. That's good/a relief to hear. I keep thinking maybe I was slightly 'harsh' in my response to the first half of Season 2. I know sometimes I can have quite a strong reaction to something when first watching it (be it a TV show or movie), especially if that reaction is a 'negative' one, but then after some time/given a bit of 'distance' I can also sometimes later appreciate it. I have rewatched Season 2 as it's been airing on TV here, and I still only really liked the Season 2 premiere and 'Faith' out of the first half of the season. I also liked 'The Fox's Lair' (I know that might not be a popular opinion) and especially the Season 2 final - which I think may have been my favourite episode of the whole season. The other episodes in between those two were better as a whole than the majority of episodes from the first half of the season - but it was really the last three episodes of Season 2 that I really started getting back into the show and felt like it was regaining what I loved so much about Season 1. It'll be a while before I get to see Season 3 (I'll be waiting for it to come out here on Blu-ray, as I've done with the previous two seasons), but I am glad to hear you say that you're finding it more enjoyable than Season 2 so far. As much as I might've been 'disappointed' with Season 2 in comparison to Season 1, I still think it's one of the best shows I'm currently watching and even the 'not-so-good' episodes are better than a lot of other TV I watch. Outlander really is one of my favourite shows currently. Thanks also for the Frank article link.
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Post by HirundoRustica on Oct 6, 2017 8:31:36 GMT
Have really been enjoying the new season so far; certainly more enjoyable than the second season. Voyager (in terms of the book) has been a favorite of mine, as it gets back to the heart, I feel, of the series = adventure! Episode five can't come soon enough. I'm enjoying s3 much more than s2, too. I haven't read any of the books, but I have read the occasional spoiler, and yes, bring on episode 5!
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Oct 20, 2017 21:50:19 GMT
I watched this interview with Caitriona Balfe last night:
I loved her answers for why she thinks Outlander has better sex scenes on TV than other shows...
āSheās great with anatomy.ā (regarding Claire)
āThe men wear kilts, so itās easy access.ā
I just wish theyād shown a clip from Season 3, as Iām really eager to watch it (though, at the same time, itās probably for the best that they didnāt, since seeing a brief clip from the season wouldāve just left wanting *more*. Iāll just wait until itās out here and then I can watch as many episodes of it as I want in row).
Speaking of, while I have managed to stay relatively āspoiler-freeā for the season (I only know some vague bits and pieces about it), I was just curious if that 'reunion scene' Iād heard so much about, which I think was meant to take place roughly around the middle of the season, lived up to expectation...or if it even had a chance of doing so?
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Post by HirundoRustica on Oct 22, 2017 15:42:15 GMT
Speaking of, while I have managed to stay relatively āspoiler-freeā for the season (I only know some vague bits and pieces about it), I was just curious if that 'reunion scene' Iād heard so much about, which I think was meant to take place roughly around the middle of the season, lived up to expectation...or if it even had a chance of doing so? Well...sorta. We only got a tiny little snippet of a reunion at the end of episode 5, and now the show's been on a break for a week. We're FINALLY getting episode 6 here tomorrow, and hopefully we'll get everything we're expecting then.
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Post by HirundoRustica on Dec 11, 2017 16:57:05 GMT
A few episodes into the third season they changed the theme tune a bit, and I gotta say, I much prefer the old one.
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Post by mszanadu on Dec 11, 2017 20:13:41 GMT
For me here overall I absolutely adore everything about this show - highly entertaining storylines from day one . I also have not missed an episode of it since the very beginning too . I'm so looking forward to seeing season 4 and can't wait either . Thanks so much jrcash for your subject post .
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Dec 13, 2017 8:56:59 GMT
A few episodes into the third season they changed the theme tune a bit, and I gotta say, I much prefer the old one. Yeah, they changed the opening credits/theme tune for the first half of Season 2 as well when the story was set in France...and I *really* didnāt like it at all. They just changed all the bits that made the theme song/opening credits so great. The new shots they chose just werenāt as good/as memorable, I thought ā though I was amused when I saw one review running through all the things the new opening credits included and what they said for this shot: PIZZAZZ!!!And I really didnāt like them changing the song in any way (they had parts of it sung in French, which I just found jarring). Meanwhile, the Season 1 opening credits/version of the theme song I could watch/listen to over and over again. I never fast-forward through them when rewatching Season 1, the song is so effective, thereās SO MANY great shots that if I listed all my favourites, itād probably end up being almost the entire opening credits sequence. Nothing will ever beat that^, for me ā probably because I think they were perfect in Season 1 the way they were and any alterations just canāt improve on what I deem āperfectionā. I still get chills at several points throughout when watching them, the way that certain moments in the song kick in as certain shots are displayed onscreen ā itās just super effective. Well...sorta. We only got a tiny little snippet of a reunion at the end of episode 5, and now the show's been on a break for a week. We're FINALLY getting episode 6 here tomorrow, and hopefully we'll get everything we're expecting then. So, HirundoRustica ā was it everything you were expecting/did it live up to your expectations? And how has the rest of Season 3 been since that^ episode? We should be getting the season out on DVD/Blu-ray here hopefully by the start of next year. Once I do get to watch it, Iāll certainly be posting my thoughts, as Outlander remains one of my Top 10 shows (even if I found the majority of Seasonās 2ās first half somewhat disappointing).
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Post by HirundoRustica on Dec 13, 2017 18:32:00 GMT
So, HirundoRustica ā was it everything you were expecting/did it live up to your expectations? And how has the rest of Season 3 been since that^ episode? We should be getting the season out on DVD/Blu-ray here hopefully by the start of next year. Once I do get to watch it, Iāll certainly be posting my thoughts, as Outlander remains one of my Top 10 shows (even if I found the majority of Seasonās 2ās first half somewhat disappointing). The reunion episode did indeed live up to my expectations, and I was happy with it. I even got a bit teary-eyed. Yeah, I've enjoyed season 3 for the most part. It's been interesting to see them explore the world a bit more, but I do find myself missing Scotland a little bit. I'm looking forward to season 4, though.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Apr 27, 2018 6:28:21 GMT
Speaking of, while I have managed to stay relatively āspoiler-freeā for the season (I only know some vague bits and pieces about it), I was just curious if that 'reunion scene' Iād heard so much about, which I think was meant to take place roughly around the middle of the season, lived up to expectation...or if it even had a chance of doing so? Well...sorta. We only got a tiny little snippet of a reunion at the end of episode 5, and now the show's been on a break for a week. We're FINALLY getting episode 6 here tomorrow, and hopefully we'll get everything we're expecting then. We only got a tiny little snippet of a reunion at the end of episode 5, and now the show's been on a break for a week. We're FINALLY getting episode 6 here tomorrow, and hopefully we'll get everything we're expecting then. Well, I got Season 3 of Outlander on Blu-ray a while ago, and have finally gotten to watching it this past week. The last episode I watched was the one youāre referring to there^, Hirundo...but Iāll backtrack a bit to what I thought of the previous four episodes first. I have to say, I was a bit disappointed with the first two episodes of Season 3. The disappointment began with the season premiereās opening scene. I really didnāt feel like I needed to see 10 minutes of Jamie lying on the Culloden Moor and him breathing heavily whilst he experienced somewhat trippy-like flashbacks to the battle itself. It felt like we watched him just lying there for ages. I almost immediately figured the Redcoat lying on top of him was BJR ā which it was. I guess the time spent on that scene was to convey what it was like for Jamieā¦but I just didnāt find it particularly interesting when it kept going on and on. The MOST disappointing thing, though, was the confrontation we FINALLY got between Jamie and BJR. It had been so built-up in my mind, I was expecting something truly āepicā, but what we got just left me with an overwhelming feeling of, āThat was what we waited two seasons for??ā. Their sword fight was barely one, then when they were stumbling around, swinging at each other (and then leaning on one another)...I get that they both wouldāve been worn out and it was probably accurate that they werenāt able to have a proper fight...but it was just such a letdown. Their fight in the Season 2 episode before āFaithā was far more impressive (plus it ended with BJR getting stabbed in theā¦part of him that he shouldāve been stabbed in long before, as it wouldāve spared everyone a lot of misery). Anyway, even after BJR got stabbed and then was lying on top of Jamie for what seemed like forever, I kept thinking that that couldnāt *possibly* be it, and surely there was going to be more to it (no matter how ridiculous his survival wouldāve been ā after all, he survived being trampled by cattle)ā¦but, no, there apparently was nothing else. That was it ā he got stabbed, he died (doing what he wouldāve no doubt loved ā lying on top of Jamie). It was very underwhelming. I also wasnāt that fussed on the switching between Claireās storyline and Jamieās. I get what the purpose of it was, but neither one particularly interested me. By comparison, I far preferred last seasonās first episode ā which was half spent with Claire and Frank and the other half with Claire and Jamie. I think things started to pick up for me by the third episode (though Iād liked seeing Jenny again in the second episode, and Iām glad that her turning Jamie in was something he told her to do and it wasnāt how I thought it was going to be after watching the trailer ā with her legit betraying him). It started feeling like the show I knew/loved by then (whereas, after the Season 2 premiere, it took quite a few episodes before it started to feel like Season 1 for me...so at least Season 3 was quicker at getting to that point). I liked Frank in Season 1, even sympathized with him, and while I could understand his anger/frustrations, I did find him rather jerky in his few episodes of Season 3 that Iāve seen. His death was also rather underwhelming ā due to it being offscreen. I canāt say I really felt anything when Claire told his corpse that she had loved him/that heād been her āfirst loveā. The fourth episode was quite a bit different to what had come before, and obviously the character of Geneva was no doubt despised by most people. I actually liked seeing her interaction with Jamie and the way he didnāt put up with her crap. The best bit, though, was after she faked falling off her horse so that Jamie would come ārescueā her and pick her up in his arms... That^ got a laugh out of me. I was also surprised by her reaction to it... The fact that she laughed it off showed she wasnāt 100% without a sense of humour. This also amused me... I just loved the fact that Jamie was very blunt with her and didn't mince words. I know itās been debated what she forced Jamie to do, but I donāt particularly feel like getting into that. Anyway, she only lasted the one episode (which I was surprised by). I think the fifth episode was probably one of the ones I liked the most. I realise that some people mainly watch the show for Jamie and couldnāt care less about episodes focused on Claire, but I actually really liked spending time with her, Brianna and Roger. Iād quickly grown to like Brianna and Roger in the Season 2 final and I thought they played well off each other/had nice chemistry. That continued here. I think all the complexity of the feelings the characters wouldāve had regarding Claire returning to Jamie warranted an entire episode focused on them (though Iām sure some would disagree). The bit with Claire sewing her costume she needed to carry things sheād need back in time with her (which was set to the Batman TV series theme) was unexpectedā¦but I personally thought it was great. Iām glad they didnāt rush events in this episode and gave them time to ābreatheā and the full weight of what Claire was doing was given time to be processed. I know some people weren't expecting to get as much at the end as we did and figured itād end with the doorbell ringing or hearing Jamie's voice or Claire seeing the back of is head...but I personally never doubted we'd at least get to *see* him (as I donāt recall there being an episode yet where he hasnāt appeared even briefly). However, once we did get to see him, I certainly wasnāt prepared for this... I had another laugh at that^. As funny as Jamie fainting was, what absolutely made that moment so great was Claireās reaction... It was the perfect ending to the episode. The fact that you said the next episode lived up to your expectations, Hirundo, it sounds promising. I'm looking forward to watching it (try as I might to hold off listening to the podcasts on the Blu-rays until after having watched the whole season...I haven't been able to. I've been listening to them after I watch an episode). I'm glad that I'm enjoying Season 3 now. I hope it stays that way for me.
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