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Post by thorshairspray on Jul 30, 2017 11:36:12 GMT
The Islam/Molestation hubbub was quite some time ago. Dawkins has seriously faded in relevance in the public discourse. At least in the US. He might have faded, but thats no real reason to deplatform the guy. People had bought tickets to see him. |
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Post by drystyx on Jul 31, 2017 23:45:33 GMT
The only thing I can find is Dawkins saying Obama is "probably an atheist". Which I don't have any trouble believing. At best, a "Sunday Christian of convenience". Actually I tend to think that Obama is just a "normal" christian. By which I mean he probably believes, but he's not the kind of guy who makes it the centre of his every action and decision or goes around being an asshole about it. I can see him praying and going to church and stuff, but I can also see him having muslim or atheist friends without feeling the need to tell them they're serving satan. But if he were actually an atheist it wouldn't surprise me at all. I doubt more than one in ten of the politicians in Washington are actually believers, in both parties. Your heart may be in the right place, but your mind is deluded.
Obama certainly acted with complete Christian principles on every detail in his administration. If anyone made Christianity the center of his every action in the president's chair, Obama is number one in that regard. e.g. complete health coverage for the masses (calling upon all powers to heal), anti violence even when it's politically incorrect (foreign affairs for sure).
No matter if Obama even calls it "Christianity", that's exactly what he used. A lot of people are Christians without knowing it, and a lot of people are anti Christians and Satan worshipers without seeming to know it. Jesus himself said it was the blasphemy of the Holy Ghost that was not forgiven. It is the holy ghost that Jesus had which is what determines if he is following Christ.
Obama proved in actions that he was the least Atheist leaning president we ever had in the U.S.A.. Whether this is good or bad depends upon how much of Christ a person is willing to follow. It wasn't politically correct, but it was Jesus in the works with Obama.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 0:02:31 GMT
Actually I tend to think that Obama is just a "normal" christian. By which I mean he probably believes, but he's not the kind of guy who makes it the centre of his every action and decision or goes around being an asshole about it. I can see him praying and going to church and stuff, but I can also see him having muslim or atheist friends without feeling the need to tell them they're serving satan. But if he were actually an atheist it wouldn't surprise me at all. I doubt more than one in ten of the politicians in Washington are actually believers, in both parties. Your heart may be in the right place, but your mind is deluded.
Obama certainly acted with complete Christian principles on every detail in his administration. If anyone made Christianity the center of his every action in the president's chair, Obama is number one in that regard. e.g. complete health coverage for the masses (calling upon all powers to heal), anti violence even when it's politically incorrect (foreign affairs for sure).
No matter if Obama even calls it "Christianity", that's exactly what he used. A lot of people are Christians without knowing it, and a lot of people are anti Christians and Satan worshipers without seeming to know it. Jesus himself said it was the blasphemy of the Holy Ghost that was not forgiven. It is the holy ghost that Jesus had which is what determines if he is following Christ.
Obama proved in actions that he was the least Atheist leaning president we ever had in the U.S.A.. Whether this is good or bad depends upon how much of Christ a person is willing to follow. It wasn't politically correct, but it was Jesus in the works with Obama.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Aug 1, 2017 0:53:11 GMT
Your heart may be in the right place, but your mind is deluded.
Obama certainly acted with complete Christian principles on every detail in his administration. If anyone made Christianity the center of his every action in the president's chair, Obama is number one in that regard. e.g. complete health coverage for the masses (calling upon all powers to heal), anti violence even when it's politically incorrect (foreign affairs for sure).
No matter if Obama even calls it "Christianity", that's exactly what he used. A lot of people are Christians without knowing it, and a lot of people are anti Christians and Satan worshipers without seeming to know it. Jesus himself said it was the blasphemy of the Holy Ghost that was not forgiven. It is the holy ghost that Jesus had which is what determines if he is following Christ.
Obama proved in actions that he was the least Atheist leaning president we ever had in the U.S.A.. Whether this is good or bad depends upon how much of Christ a person is willing to follow. It wasn't politically correct, but it was Jesus in the works with Obama.
I suspect you and I disagree on what it means to be a christian. Sounds to me as though Obama was a Secular Humanist who let people assume he was Christian in order to counter the notion that he was muslim. I was raised Christian, and taught that good works alone do not make you a Christian; you have to believe that jesus is the son of god... there has to be works and faith. But lately it seems that only faith is required to get that 'get out of hell free' card. Nobody's interested in lifting a finger to help his fellow human. So-called Pro-Life people care only about the fetus being brought to term; no concern for what happens to the baby: poverty, abuse, et al. "Birth that baby, but don't ask me to pay into social services or Medicaid, or volunteer to mentor that child." In my observation, the most that the majority of Christians are willing to do is pray. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 1:24:04 GMT
I suspect you and I disagree on what it means to be a christian. Sounds to me as though Obama was a Secular Humanist who let people assume he was Christian in order to counter the notion that he was muslim. I was raised Christian, and taught that good works alone do not make you a Christian; you have to believe that jesus is the son of god... there has to be works and faith. Obama did claim to be a believer in jesus. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 2:13:53 GMT
Shame that so many of these supposedly liberal universities are more interested in protecting the integrity of religious beliefs, even those which are detrimental to the progressive agenda, than they are about the spirit of intellectual enquiry. I also find it hard to see how they could not have already known about Richard Dawkins' controversial thoughts on Islam. His outspokenness on religion, and especially Islam is what he is now most known for as a public figure. In any case, it can be expected that universities will continue to seek to insulate Islam from criticism at all costs.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Aug 1, 2017 4:31:51 GMT
Sounds to me as though Obama was a Secular Humanist who let people assume he was Christian in order to counter the notion that he was muslim. I was raised Christian, and taught that good works alone do not make you a Christian; you have to believe that jesus is the son of god... there has to be works and faith. Obama did claim to be a believer in jesus. Just my opinion, he had to. There has never been a president that didn't. Kennedy was viewed suspiciously because he was Catholic - if elected, would the Vatican be running our country? Bottom line; Obama was a great president, he truly cared about the citizens of this country and the citizens of the world. He was intelligent, articulate, dignified - whether he was Christian was not important, he acted ethically. In other words, the exact opposite of our current "president", yet Christians voted for him, just on the abortion issue, the Muslim/immigration issue and the gay issue. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 7:45:07 GMT
Obama did claim to be a believer in jesus. Just my opinion, he had to. There has never been a president that didn't. Kennedy was viewed suspiciously because he was Catholic - if elected, would the Vatican be running our country? Bottom line; Obama was a great president, he truly cared about the citizens of this country and the citizens of the world. He was intelligent, articulate, dignified - whether he was Christian was not important, he acted ethically. In other words, the exact opposite of our current "president", yet Christians voted for him, just on the abortion issue, the Muslim/immigration issue and the gay issue. I'm not an American, but I'm not all that sure whether he was a "great" president; but probably about as good as the US could have had at that point in time. He did have to pretend to be Christian even if he wasn't (and the claim about waking up to scripture on his phone everyday seems like a bit of a contrivance); but my hunch was that he probably was a casual Christian, just like most seemingly 'sensible' people in the US are. I think that Donald Trump is less likely to be a Christian than Obama was. |
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Post by scienceisgod on Aug 1, 2017 10:39:48 GMT
Obama did claim to be a believer in jesus. Just my opinion, he had to. There has never been a president that didn't. Kennedy was viewed suspiciously because he was Catholic - if elected, would the Vatican be running our country? Bottom line; Obama was a great president, he truly cared about the citizens of this country and the citizens of the world. He was intelligent, articulate, dignified - whether he was Christian was not important, he acted ethically. In other words, the exact opposite of our current "president", yet Christians voted for him, just on the abortion issue, the Muslim/immigration issue and the gay issue. That wasn't your opinion a moment ago. You said Obama "let people assume he was Christian", not that he pretended to be a Christian. Your contempt for the common man is showing. Obama invaded more countries and killed more people than George Bush. He bailed out the banks and printed trillions of dollars. Trump said something mean. You're a religious lunatic, entranced by the collection plate. |
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Aug 1, 2017 14:15:47 GMT
Just my opinion, he had to. There has never been a president that didn't. Kennedy was viewed suspiciously because he was Catholic - if elected, would the Vatican be running our country? Bottom line; Obama was a great president, he truly cared about the citizens of this country and the citizens of the world. He was intelligent, articulate, dignified - whether he was Christian was not important, he acted ethically. In other words, the exact opposite of our current "president", yet Christians voted for him, just on the abortion issue, the Muslim/immigration issue and the gay issue. I'm not an American, but I'm not all that sure whether he was a "great" president; but probably about as good as the US could have had at that point in time. He did have to pretend to be Christian even if he wasn't (and the claim about waking up to scripture on his phone everyday seems like a bit of a contrivance); but my hunch was that he probably was a casual Christian, just like most seemingly 'sensible' people in the US are. I think that Donald Trump is less likely to be a Christian than Obama was. That's for sure and for certain, but as long as Trump claims to believe, his misdeeds can be 'forgiven'. I grew up in that culture; their smug little motto was "Christians aren't perfect, they are just forgiven." Yeah, right, serial killers can make a statement of belief before execution and god forgives them. That's fair; NOT. What Trump is, is a Paranoid Narcissistic Psychopath, as stated by members of the American Psychiatric Association who ignored their pledge of not diagnosing public figures and sharing those diagnoses, because they felt that their 'duty to warn' was more important. Christian or not, he is a danger to the world in his current office and needs to be removed. So far, the checks and balances built into our political system has held him in check, but it took two years to get to the point of impeachment of Richard Nixon. In two years, what irreversible damage might Trump have done? There are fewer 'casual' Christians in the US than you think; they have become radicalized to an extent, and some actually hope that Trump will start the end of the world war referred to as Armageddon. They want the world to end so they can go to heaven. Sound like any other radicalized group you may have heard of, hoping for 40 black-eyed virgins? |
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