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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 19:43:52 GMT
Ever feel disappointed by a 'surprise' built up for a bit - i.e. - Kurt Angle's Son, Nash texting Nash in 2011, Animal being disclosed late WCW as a surprise attacker under a mask, etc etc. Now I need some help here from some old school fans - as this was a bit before my time. I get JYD was a legend down South before he hit the WWF. I get he was wildly over in WWF and used to get giant pops and would even team with Hogan at times. But was 'JYD' ever the 'guy'? I.E. - main event in the big leagues that competed for a title. Here we have the NWA - and Ole is on the mic stating the Horseman has just taken care of Luger and Sting - 2 legends - and this big surprise revealed to take on the Horseman is - JYD? !? Funny in the ring at the time is Cactus Jack who went onto to become an Icon himself and he's pretty much an afterthought in this clip. link: JYD is Flair's SurpriseAny old school fans remember this? Excited or disappointed by it?
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Post by MooseNugget on Jul 23, 2017 22:09:39 GMT
The Headbangers being The Disciples of Truth in ROH.
Hornswoggle being Vince's son.
Hornswoggle being the mystery RAW GM.
Swoggle being Rockstar Spud's surprise tag team partner in Tag Team Apoloito.
Hornswoggle winning The Cruiserweight Championship.
Any of the Aces & 8s reveals.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 4:55:36 GMT
The Shockmaster in WcW. Tugboat in WWF
The gobbley gooker hatching from an egg during survivor series
Fake diesel and fake razor
McMahon as the Higher Power
Rikishi running down Austin
There's been many crappy storylines or debuts in wrestling since I started watching in 89
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jul 24, 2017 13:19:21 GMT
I was very excited. JYD was hugely over. Here's the thing, back then, you didn't need to be "the guy" to be universally loved. You didn't need to be on the level of Hogan to get huge pops from the audience.
You just needed to connect with them. And JYD did that as well as anybody.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 15:40:42 GMT
I was very excited. JYD was hugely over. Here's the thing, back then, you didn't need to be "the guy" to be universally loved. You didn't need to be on the level of Hogan to get huge pops from the audience. You just needed to connect with them. And JYD did that as well as anybody. But did you view him as a viable threat to Flair and the Horseman (after they just disposed of Sting and Luger) - or was it more that you were excited one of your past favorites returned and there was an opportunity for him in a new environment with new storylines. Wasn't it soon after he aligned with Orndorff and they were called the 'Dudes With Attitudes' or something like that (may have that name wrong) and a few other guys to try and take down the Horseman?
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jul 24, 2017 16:59:28 GMT
Definitely the first one. I was very young, so I wasn't looking at it from a "storyline" perspective.
Here was one of the biggest stars from Mid-South coming in to take on the Horsemen. His match against Flair had everyone believing he could take the title from The Nature Boy (and not just because Flair was so good as a heel).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 21:38:23 GMT
Definitely the first one. I was very young, so I wasn't looking at it from a "storyline" perspective. Here was one of the biggest stars from Mid-South coming in to take on the Horsemen. His match against Flair had everyone believing he could take the title from The Nature Boy (and not just because Flair was so good as a heel). Interesting. Only got to see some Youtube stuff in South - but let's call a spade a spade it wasn't exactly the WWF or the NWA. Now I get how wildly over he was back then in the WWF. Fans would go crazy. There's a Saturday Night's Main Event out there where he teams with Hogan to go against the Funks and the crowd just goes ballistic for the guy like they always did. But back then - you had your main eventers, your mid carders and your jobbers. Did JYD ever even hold the IC strap? Was he a threat to the likes of Valentine, Santana (was Steamboat around then?), etc. I always looked at JYD as although - over with the crowd - the next tier above a 'jobber' in the WWF. Maybe I'm ignorant to his success in the WWF (again I know he was wildly popular) But he shows up in the NWA to challenge Flair? Meh. I looked at this like I looked at a lot of 'mid tier/card' guys jumping ship to NWA/WCW - you couldn't cut the mustard at 'the show' - so now the 2nd banana in the game was going to try and succeed off of your mid card 'fame' and maybe give you a push. I just don't get how anybody who was an NWA fan at the time could have viewed JYD as a legit threat to Flair when he never won gold in the WWF and wasn't exactly a youngster and up and comer.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jul 24, 2017 22:47:40 GMT
But it was a very hot territory that produced a lot of WWF's biggest stars. Don't disparage just because it wasn't nationwide. They did some very good business for their time.
One thing is you're looking back at it from a modern day smart-mark (not an insult by the way) perspective. Back then, we didn't really know terms like jobber, mid-carder, or even main eventers. Sure we knew there were guys who were at the top, but for those of us who believed, anything was possible. The connection with the audience is what mattered, not the place on the card. Look at Jeff Hardy taking on The Undertaker. Jeff had not been a main event guy and was half Taker's size. But the audiences believed in him. JYD made audiences believe in him.
Besides, JYD may not have been WWF's ultimate top guy, but he had still made a career of feuding with top main event heels throughout his time in the territories, even winning some of those feuds. So it was perfectly conceivable he'd defeat Flair.
Ahh, but that's because you weren't there (again, not an insult). Wrestling fans at the time usually viewed the NWA as the more competitive true wrestling company. Even as a kid, I saw WWE as being cartoony (though I couldn't quite put my finger on why), and the NWA seemed to have better, even more brutal wrestlers. They were not the second banana. They were just a different flavor of banana.
Because we'd seen what he was truly capable of outside of the WWF. It's why Steamboat rose to be a world champion despite barely holding the Intercontinental title in the WWF. It's why some fans who only know Vader from his WWF days can't understand why he was so dominant in WCW and Japan.
This really is one of those cases of You Had to Be There (an argument I hate to make as it sounds dismissive of the other person). It was just a different mindset and a different time.
After all, even Lou Thesz was challenged by guys that, in hindsight, literally had no chance against him. But fans believed in the drama.
And one last thing we're overlooking: don't underestimate Flair's ability to be hated. A hero can only be as great as his villain. And Flair was a great villain. As with all things in wrestling, it was a combination of various factors that made JYD's appearance such a huge surprise.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 23:39:38 GMT
But it was a very hot territory that produced a lot of WWF's biggest stars. Don't disparage just because it wasn't nationwide. They did some very good business for their time. One thing is you're looking back at it from a modern day smart-mark (not an insult by the way) perspective. Back then, we didn't really know terms like jobber, mid-carder, or even main eventers. Sure we knew there were guys who were at the top, but for those of us who believed, anything was possible. The connection with the audience is what mattered, not the place on the card. Look at Jeff Hardy taking on The Undertaker. Jeff had not been a main event guy and was half Taker's size. But the audiences believed in him. JYD made audiences believe in him. Besides, JYD may not have been WWF's ultimate top guy, but he had still made a career of feuding with top main event heels throughout his time in the territories, even winning some of those feuds. So it was perfectly conceivable he'd defeat Flair. Ahh, but that's because you weren't there (again, not an insult). Wrestling fans at the time usually viewed the NWA as the more competitive true wrestling company. Even as a kid, I saw WWE as being cartoony (though I couldn't quite put my finger on why), and the NWA seemed to have better, even more brutal wrestlers. They were not the second banana. They were just a different flavor of banana. Because we'd seen what he was truly capable of outside of the WWF. It's why Steamboat rose to be a world champion despite barely holding the Intercontinental title in the WWF. It's why some fans who only know Vader from his WWF days can't understand why he was so dominant in WCW and Japan. This really is one of those cases of You Had to Be There (an argument I hate to make as it sounds dismissive of the other person). It was just a different mindset and a different time. After all, even Lou Thesz was challenged by guys that, in hindsight, literally had no chance against him. But fans believed in the drama. And one last thing we're overlooking: don't underestimate Flair's ability to be hated. A hero can only be as great as his villain. And Flair was a great villain. As with all things in wrestling, it was a combination of various factors that made JYD's appearance such a huge surprise. Maybe another thing - Since JYD was so over in the South (memory escapes me - didn't he have a hot feud with Butch Reed) - and NWA was pretty much a Southern 'Big League' and you'd see Flair and others go into (correct me if I'm being ignorant) mini territories who had a partnership with the NWA. I mean - Von Erich from WCCW beat him for the strap. There's an epic clip out there where Flair and Lawler have a confrontation in Lawler's 'home' so to speak. Was ignorant to the fact Martel and Flair ever had a match - i.e. AWA vs. NWA - I just never knew 'JYD' was regarded that 'high' on the totem pole - especially after in the clip they made it a point of saying Sting and Luger were pretty much thrown to the waist side (now to fair - they became legends after years upon years of main eventing after the fact) interesting shoots out there on JYD too - sadly he was a 'victim' of that era as far as the 'extracurricular activities' were concerned - but It seems many in that era were involved in the fast life as well - apparently he could be hard to control at times
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 3:03:29 GMT
Awww sunuva bitch!
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Post by MooseNugget on Jul 25, 2017 5:10:40 GMT
But it was a very hot territory that produced a lot of WWF's biggest stars. Don't disparage just because it wasn't nationwide. They did some very good business for their time. One thing is you're looking back at it from a modern day smart-mark (not an insult by the way) perspective. Back then, we didn't really know terms like jobber, mid-carder, or even main eventers. Sure we knew there were guys who were at the top, but for those of us who believed, anything was possible. The connection with the audience is what mattered, not the place on the card. Look at Jeff Hardy taking on The Undertaker. Jeff had not been a main event guy and was half Taker's size. But the audiences believed in him. JYD made audiences believe in him. Besides, JYD may not have been WWF's ultimate top guy, but he had still made a career of feuding with top main event heels throughout his time in the territories, even winning some of those feuds. So it was perfectly conceivable he'd defeat Flair. Ahh, but that's because you weren't there (again, not an insult). Wrestling fans at the time usually viewed the NWA as the more competitive true wrestling company. Even as a kid, I saw WWE as being cartoony (though I couldn't quite put my finger on why), and the NWA seemed to have better, even more brutal wrestlers. They were not the second banana. They were just a different flavor of banana. Because we'd seen what he was truly capable of outside of the WWF. It's why Steamboat rose to be a world champion despite barely holding the Intercontinental title in the WWF. It's why some fans who only know Vader from his WWF days can't understand why he was so dominant in WCW and Japan. This really is one of those cases of You Had to Be There (an argument I hate to make as it sounds dismissive of the other person). It was just a different mindset and a different time. After all, even Lou Thesz was challenged by guys that, in hindsight, literally had no chance against him. But fans believed in the drama. And one last thing we're overlooking: don't underestimate Flair's ability to be hated. A hero can only be as great as his villain. And Flair was a great villain. As with all things in wrestling, it was a combination of various factors that made JYD's appearance such a huge surprise. Maybe another thing - Since JYD was so over in the South (memory escapes me - didn't he have a hot feud with Butch Reed) - and NWA was pretty much a Southern 'Big League' and you'd see Flair and others go into (correct me if I'm being ignorant) mini territories who had a partnership with the NWA. I mean - Von Erich from WCCW beat him for the strap. There's an epic clip out there where Flair and Lawler have a confrontation in Lawler's 'home' so to speak. Was ignorant to the fact Martel and Flair ever had a match - i.e. AWA vs. NWA - I just never knew 'JYD' was regarded that 'high' on the totem pole - especially after in the clip they made it a point of saying Sting and Luger were pretty much thrown to the waist side (now to fair - they became legends after years upon years of main eventing after the fact) interesting shoots out there on JYD too - sadly he was a 'victim' of that era as far as the 'extracurricular activities' were concerned - but It seems many in that era were involved in the fast life as well - apparently he could be hard to control at times JYD was a huge draw in Mid-South. He was a good fit in WWF but there was no way he was going to be a top guy in JCP/WCW.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jul 25, 2017 13:01:00 GMT
That's another great point, frogs. NWA was mostly considered a southern league.
You could almost compare JYD to Jake the Snake: a beloved babyface who feuded with a lot top heels but never held any titles, yet fans still believed he could (and wanted him to) defeat Andre the Giant.
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Post by autopsy_12 on Jul 25, 2017 15:51:33 GMT
Ever feel disappointed by a 'surprise' built up for a bit - i.e. - Kurt Angle's Son, Nash texting Nash in 2011, Animal being disclosed late WCW as a surprise attacker under a mask, etc etc. Now I need some help here from some old school fans - as this was a bit before my time. I get JYD was a legend down South before he hit the WWF. I get he was wildly over in WWF and used to get giant pops and would even team with Hogan at times. But was 'JYD' ever the 'guy'? I.E. - main event in the big leagues that competed for a title. Here we have the NWA - and Ole is on the mic stating the Horseman has just taken care of Luger and Sting - 2 legends - and this big surprise revealed to take on the Horseman is - JYD? !? Funny in the ring at the time is Cactus Jack who went onto to become an Icon himself and he's pretty much an afterthought in this clip. link: JYD is Flair's SurpriseAny old school fans remember this? Excited or disappointed by it? Anything where Hornswoggle was the result. Vince's son and being the anonymous Raw GM. Why was WWE so fixated on him? Also, Del Rio returning at HIAC to defeat John Cena. I remember hearing that a former champion was returning and he was like the last guy I cared about.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 16:04:41 GMT
Ever feel disappointed by a 'surprise' built up for a bit - i.e. - Kurt Angle's Son, Nash texting Nash in 2011, Animal being disclosed late WCW as a surprise attacker under a mask, etc etc. Now I need some help here from some old school fans - as this was a bit before my time. I get JYD was a legend down South before he hit the WWF. I get he was wildly over in WWF and used to get giant pops and would even team with Hogan at times. But was 'JYD' ever the 'guy'? I.E. - main event in the big leagues that competed for a title. Here we have the NWA - and Ole is on the mic stating the Horseman has just taken care of Luger and Sting - 2 legends - and this big surprise revealed to take on the Horseman is - JYD? !? Funny in the ring at the time is Cactus Jack who went onto to become an Icon himself and he's pretty much an afterthought in this clip. link: JYD is Flair's SurpriseAny old school fans remember this? Excited or disappointed by it? Anything where Hornswoggle was the result. Vince's son and being the anonymous Raw GM. Why was WWE so fixated on him? Also, Del Rio returning at HIAC to defeat John Cena. I remember hearing that a former champion was returning and he was like the last guy I cared about. I may be the only Del Rio fan on the planet - but so be it. As far as Hornswoggle. I have no clue. Maybe since they were gearing towards a PG-13 crowd they thought maybe the kids/audience would love the addition of a 'cartoonish' little guy? Maybe the story writers just didn't know what to do and never had a plan in the first place and ran out of time? Seems illogical in both situations - I never got the appeal either - was never a DX fan - but when they'd put him in skits with DX it was an instant channel turner.
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Post by autopsy_12 on Jul 25, 2017 16:32:17 GMT
Anything where Hornswoggle was the result. Vince's son and being the anonymous Raw GM. Why was WWE so fixated on him? Also, Del Rio returning at HIAC to defeat John Cena. I remember hearing that a former champion was returning and he was like the last guy I cared about. I may be the only Del Rio fan on the planet - but so be it. As far as Hornswoggle. I have no clue. Maybe since they were gearing towards a PG-13 crowd they thought maybe the kids/audience would love the addition of a 'cartoonish' little guy? Maybe the story writers just didn't know what to do and never had a plan in the first place and ran out of time? Seems illogical in both situations - I never got the appeal either - was never a DX fan - but when they'd put him in skits with DX it was an instant channel turner. I just find Del Rio so plain, average and boring at everything. I hear he's better on the mic in his own language but I've only ever seen him in WWE and such and what he did in unrelated promotions has no affect on how I perceive him in WWE. It's like when people say "Daniel Bryan was so good in ROH though!!!" Okay, but that doesn't make his matches in WWE less boring. (I liked his matches, just used that as an example.)
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Post by Jayman on Jul 25, 2017 20:30:47 GMT
Definitely the first one. I was very young, so I wasn't looking at it from a "storyline" perspective. Here was one of the biggest stars from Mid-South coming in to take on the Horsemen. His match against Flair had everyone believing he could take the title from The Nature Boy (and not just because Flair was so good as a heel). Interesting. Only got to see some Youtube stuff in South - but let's call a spade a spade it wasn't exactly the WWF or the NWA. Now I get how wildly over he was back then in the WWF. Fans would go crazy. There's a Saturday Night's Main Event out there where he teams with Hogan to go against the Funks and the crowd just goes ballistic for the guy like they always did. But back then - you had your main eventers, your mid carders and your jobbers. Did JYD ever even hold the IC strap? Was he a threat to the likes of Valentine, Santana (was Steamboat around then?), etc. I always looked at JYD as although - over with the crowd - the next tier above a 'jobber' in the WWF. Maybe I'm ignorant to his success in the WWF (again I know he was wildly popular) But he shows up in the NWA to challenge Flair? Meh. I looked at this like I looked at a lot of 'mid tier/card' guys jumping ship to NWA/WCW - you couldn't cut the mustard at 'the show' - so now the 2nd banana in the game was going to try and succeed off of your mid card 'fame' and maybe give you a push. I just don't get how anybody who was an NWA fan at the time could have viewed JYD as a legit threat to Flair when he never won gold in the WWF and wasn't exactly a youngster and up and comer. JYD was as you put it wildly over in the Mid-south territory. He was the Hulk Hogan of Mid south selling hot wherever he worked. His run lasted for years. The WWF was still mostly running on the east coast, Crockett's territory really wasn't all that much bigger than Mid-south by that time. So he really was one of the biggest stars in the business in one of the biggest territories in the business. But the time period you speak of I think was after Ted Turner bought out Crockett. They were bringing in anybody and everybody that was ever a star at that point. JYD was already past his prime since like 1986. But I think his run there didn't last all that long if I remember correctly? That's not really the guy you want to challenge Flair, but I think at the time I didn't find it to be all that big of a stretch that he'd be in that spot. Looking back, maybe it was. He did get a nice push in the wwf though. I saw him beat Greg Valentine in a non title match at a house show so he was a believable threat for the belt. Ofcourse he wasn't going to get a wwf title shot, but the fans were into him there too. He was losing a step and getting out of shape at that point also. And going through some other personal problems and addictions.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 20:37:24 GMT
Interesting. Only got to see some Youtube stuff in South - but let's call a spade a spade it wasn't exactly the WWF or the NWA. Now I get how wildly over he was back then in the WWF. Fans would go crazy. There's a Saturday Night's Main Event out there where he teams with Hogan to go against the Funks and the crowd just goes ballistic for the guy like they always did. But back then - you had your main eventers, your mid carders and your jobbers. Did JYD ever even hold the IC strap? Was he a threat to the likes of Valentine, Santana (was Steamboat around then?), etc. I always looked at JYD as although - over with the crowd - the next tier above a 'jobber' in the WWF. Maybe I'm ignorant to his success in the WWF (again I know he was wildly popular) But he shows up in the NWA to challenge Flair? Meh. I looked at this like I looked at a lot of 'mid tier/card' guys jumping ship to NWA/WCW - you couldn't cut the mustard at 'the show' - so now the 2nd banana in the game was going to try and succeed off of your mid card 'fame' and maybe give you a push. I just don't get how anybody who was an NWA fan at the time could have viewed JYD as a legit threat to Flair when he never won gold in the WWF and wasn't exactly a youngster and up and comer. JYD was as you put it wildly over in the Mid-south territory. He was the Hulk Hogan of Mid south selling hot wherever he worked. His run lasted for years. The WWF was still mostly running on the east coast, Crockett's territory really wasn't all that much bigger than Mid-south by that time. So he really was one of the biggest stars in the business in one of the biggest territories in the business. But the time period you speak of I think was after Ted Turner bought out Crockett. They were bringing in anybody and everybody that was ever a star at that point. JYD was already past his prime since like 1986. But I think his run there didn't last all that long if I remember correctly? That's not really the guy you want to challenge Flair, but I think at the time I didn't find it to be all that big of a stretch that he'd be in that spot. Looking back, maybe it was. yeah - i mean - he never held a strap in WWF did he? and again i get he was bigtime over. but he wasn't even IC material like Valentine or Santana. to me it was Koko B. Ware coming in to challenge Flair. didn't Koko have a successful Indy card run too down South? I'd even say Brutus Beefcake or Nikolai Volkoff - but those guys held tag team straps. JYD to me just seemed like this mid card guy that was over with the crowd but was really no threat to anybody i'm watching this clip and thinking to myself - OK - Flair has discarded Sting and Luger - and here comes the guy who gets clean wins over Barry Horowitz, Steve Lombardi, and Barry O to challenge him?
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Post by Jayman on Jul 25, 2017 20:52:10 GMT
JYD was as you put it wildly over in the Mid-south territory. He was the Hulk Hogan of Mid south selling hot wherever he worked. His run lasted for years. The WWF was still mostly running on the east coast, Crockett's territory really wasn't all that much bigger than Mid-south by that time. So he really was one of the biggest stars in the business in one of the biggest territories in the business. But the time period you speak of I think was after Ted Turner bought out Crockett. They were bringing in anybody and everybody that was ever a star at that point. JYD was already past his prime since like 1986. But I think his run there didn't last all that long if I remember correctly? That's not really the guy you want to challenge Flair, but I think at the time I didn't find it to be all that big of a stretch that he'd be in that spot. Looking back, maybe it was. yeah - i mean - he never held a strap in WWF did he? and again i get he was bigtime over. but he wasn't even IC material like Valentine or Santana. to me it was Koko B. Ware coming in to challenge Flair. didn't Koko have a successful Indy card run too down South? I'd even say Brutus Beefcake or Nikolai Volkoff - but those guys held tag team straps. JYD to me just seemed like this mid card guy that was over with the crowd but was really no threat to anybody i'm watching this clip and thinking to myself - OK - Flair has discarded Sting and Luger - and here comes the guy who gets clean wins over Barry Horowitz, Steve Lombardi, and Barry O to challenge him? He never held a title in the wwf, but I don't think it was necessary. I think Chico Santana was the more reliable guy that they wanted in that spot and had the better matches. He did go around the horn beating Valentine so the people believed he was IC material and a threat to the belt. Koko had tremendous runs in the Memphis territory. Wow he was great and had amazing matches. Google him teaming with Bobby eaton when you get a chance as a heel. I loved that team. Once he went to the wwf and got the bird, he got out of shape and didn't do half the stuff he used to. All he had to do was flap his arms like a bird. Also had a good tag team run in the PYT express. But I think he was too small to be viewed as a viable challenger to a major title and wouldn't be believable. But I can understand why you wouldn't view him as a threat because he kind of wasn't in the time leading up to the point where he came in to the NWA.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jul 25, 2017 20:56:42 GMT
Agreed. Titles were not a necessity in the 80's to prove someone's greatness. Many legends never held any titles or never held any singles titles.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 21:28:21 GMT
yeah - i mean - he never held a strap in WWF did he? and again i get he was bigtime over. but he wasn't even IC material like Valentine or Santana. to me it was Koko B. Ware coming in to challenge Flair. didn't Koko have a successful Indy card run too down South? I'd even say Brutus Beefcake or Nikolai Volkoff - but those guys held tag team straps. JYD to me just seemed like this mid card guy that was over with the crowd but was really no threat to anybody i'm watching this clip and thinking to myself - OK - Flair has discarded Sting and Luger - and here comes the guy who gets clean wins over Barry Horowitz, Steve Lombardi, and Barry O to challenge him? He never held a title in the wwf, but I don't think it was necessary. I think Chico Santana was the more reliable guy that they wanted in that spot and had the better matches. He did go around the horn beating Valentine so the people believed he was IC material and a threat to the belt. Koko had tremendous runs in the Memphis territory. Wow he was great and had amazing matches. Google him teaming with Bobby eaton when you get a chance as a heel. I loved that team. Once he went to the wwf and got the bird, he got out of shape and didn't do half the stuff he used to. All he had to do was flap his arms like a bird. Also had a good tag team run in the PYT express. But I think he was too small to be viewed as a viable challenger to a major title and wouldn't be believable. But I can understand why you wouldn't view him as a threat because he kind of wasn't in the time leading up to the point where he came in to the NWA. koko and eaton, eh? can just imagine the double drop kicks. huge eaton fan and have posted on here numerous times how good it was to see him get a singles push and take 1 out of 3 falls from Flair at a Clash of the Champions did JYD have any epic feuds in the WWF? when I think of Santana I think of his epic clashes with Valentine for the strap. to me - a better/bigger surprise would have been Piper or Valentine coming out to confront Flair. didn't Piper and Valentine war at a Starcade in NWA previous to the WWF - and didn't they both have a nasty history with Flair in the territories? When I saw JYD come out it was kind of like the air being let out of a balloon. Ever hear the Price is Right 'fail theme'? link: Epic Fail Theme - Price is RightWoo-hoo! It's JYD to the rescue to challenge The Nature Boy
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