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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 30, 2017 23:22:26 GMT
They are; anything else is semantics! Worship (n): the act of showing respect and love for a god especially by praying with other people who believe in the same god : the act of worshipping God or a god Worship (v): to show respect and love for God or for a god especially by praying, having religious services, etc No Captainbryce, praying & worship are not the same thing. To pray means to "ask of something, from someone." To give worship means to give sacrifices or offerings. That is what worship is. Although prayer and worship are not the same thing, prayer is a subset of the larger scope of worship which should really be an itre way of life, prayer is not entirely about asking of something from someone. The Bible describes several types of prayers to God. One of which is praising.
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Post by clusium on Jul 30, 2017 23:23:49 GMT
No Captainbryce, praying & worship are not the same thing. To pray means to "ask of something, from someone." To give worship means to give sacrifices or offerings. That is what worship is. Although prayer and worship are not the same thing, prayer is a subset of the larger scope of worship which should really be an itre way of life, prayer is not entirely about asking of something from someone. The Bible describes several types of prayers to God. One of which is praising. Of course, one should thank & praise God during prayers.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 30, 2017 23:27:48 GMT
Although prayer and worship are not the same thing, prayer is a subset of the larger scope of worship which should really be an itre way of life, prayer is not entirely about asking of something from someone. The Bible describes several types of prayers to God. One of which is praising. Of course, one should thank & praise God during prayers. Of course a prayer can be a mix of things but it could just be one of praise. There's no mandate to ask God for something.
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Post by captainbryce on Jul 30, 2017 23:34:47 GMT
They are; anything else is semantics! Worship (n): the act of showing respect and love for a god especially by praying with other people who believe in the same god : the act of worshipping God or a god Worship (v): to show respect and love for God or for a god especially by praying, having religious services, etc No Captainbryce, praying & worship are not the same thing. To pray means to "ask of something, from someone." To give worship means to give sacrifices or offerings. That is what worship is. No, it doesn't. Not every prayer involves "asking" anything. People pray to show reverence (usually to a god of some sort), and also to give thanks. I used to pray before every meal! Asking for something is ONE reason for prayer, but if you actually pray the way Jesus instructed in the book of Matthew, you'll see that that prayer has many purposes that all revolve around the worship of God. And no, worship does NOT mean to give sacrifices and offerings, especially in Christianity. The bible is very clear that WE cannot save ourselves and that salvation is through God's grace by faith (so that we cannot boast). We have no ability to "sacrifice" anything on our own behalf, and that defeats the whole purpose of Christ's salvation for us when he died on the cross. So apparently you don't even know your own religion. By the way, those definitions I posted come from the dictionary by the way. You are at liberty to disagree with the English language if you'd like.
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Post by captainbryce on Jul 30, 2017 23:37:36 GMT
They are; anything else is semantics! Worship (n): the act of showing respect and love for a god especially by praying with other people who believe in the same god : the act of worshipping God or a god Worship (v): to show respect and love for God or for a god especially by praying, having religious services, etc Biblestudytools (worship)A) I never understood the logic of having other people pray for you. Logically, an individual should pray for themselves since the act of confessing, repenting, forgiving, and asking is personal. Why not just go straight to the source? B) At the very least, asking someone who actually knows you (and is still alive) seems like it be more effective than asking a dead person who never knew you. Is there anywhere in the Bible that suggests that dead saints can hear prayers or answer them? Fair enough! I think praying can be a way to worship but they are not technically the same thing in definition . Just look up praying: verb - gerund or present participle: praying address a solemn request or expression of thanks to a deity or other object of worship. "the whole family is praying for Michael" synonyms: say one's prayers, make one's devotions, offer a prayer/prayers - wish or hope strongly for a particular outcome or situation. "after several days of rain, we were praying for sun" The second example doesn't seem to be a form of worship but just to hope for something. That is sort of how I see how praying to saints would be like. I agree with you in your points and I see praying is kind of pointless if there is no action made by yourself in trying to stop it. I don't think it's good to highly depend on something that most likely doesn't exist anyway. But I think praying can bring a sense of hope people look for and psychologically it helps them even if their prayers are never answered. Knowing something is possible can bring people's hopes high. And no where in the Bible even talks about saints period. Catholics might use one or two vague verses to support their belief in praying to saints or whatever but most would say the Bible isn't the only authority but also the church. The church is what teaches about saints and Mary. Prayer is a ritual that is a form of worship. There are other rituals associated with worship too (songs, confession, communion, baptism, etc). All of those are various forms of worship! Catholics do a lot of things that seem to go against the bible, which I always found ironic since they were the ones that popularized it throughout the religion in the first place.
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Post by clusium on Jul 31, 2017 0:17:34 GMT
No Captainbryce, praying & worship are not the same thing. To pray means to "ask of something, from someone." To give worship means to give sacrifices or offerings. That is what worship is. No, it doesn't. Not every prayer involves "asking" anything. People pray to show reverence (usually to a god of some sort), and also to give thanks. I used to pray before every meal! Asking for something is ONE reason for prayer, but if you actually pray the way Jesus instructed in the book of Matthew, you'll see that that prayer has many purposes that all revolve around the worship of God. And no, worship does NOT mean to give sacrifices and offerings, especially in Christianity. The bible is very clear that WE cannot save ourselves and that salvation is through God's grace by faith (so that we cannot boast). We have no ability to "sacrifice" anything on our own behalf, and that defeats the whole purpose of Christ's salvation for us when he died on the cross. So apparently you don't even know your own religion. By the way, those definitions I posted come from the dictionary by the way. You are at liberty to disagree with the English language if you'd like. For both Captainbryce & CoolJGS: Pray, According To Wiktionary
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Post by captainbryce on Jul 31, 2017 1:09:43 GMT
No, it doesn't. Not every prayer involves "asking" anything. People pray to show reverence (usually to a god of some sort), and also to give thanks. I used to pray before every meal! Asking for something is ONE reason for prayer, but if you actually pray the way Jesus instructed in the book of Matthew, you'll see that that prayer has many purposes that all revolve around the worship of God. And no, worship does NOT mean to give sacrifices and offerings, especially in Christianity. The bible is very clear that WE cannot save ourselves and that salvation is through God's grace by faith (so that we cannot boast). We have no ability to "sacrifice" anything on our own behalf, and that defeats the whole purpose of Christ's salvation for us when he died on the cross. So apparently you don't even know your own religion. By the way, those definitions I posted come from the dictionary by the way. You are at liberty to disagree with the English language if you'd like. For both Captainbryce & CoolJGS: Pray, According To WiktionaryFor culsium (and anyone else who wants to play the semantics game): "Pray" - According to Merriam-Webster
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 31, 2017 2:18:37 GMT
No, it doesn't. Not every prayer involves "asking" anything. People pray to show reverence (usually to a god of some sort), and also to give thanks. I used to pray before every meal! Asking for something is ONE reason for prayer, but if you actually pray the way Jesus instructed in the book of Matthew, you'll see that that prayer has many purposes that all revolve around the worship of God. And no, worship does NOT mean to give sacrifices and offerings, especially in Christianity. The bible is very clear that WE cannot save ourselves and that salvation is through God's grace by faith (so that we cannot boast). We have no ability to "sacrifice" anything on our own behalf, and that defeats the whole purpose of Christ's salvation for us when he died on the cross. So apparently you don't even know your own religion. By the way, those definitions I posted come from the dictionary by the way. You are at liberty to disagree with the English language if you'd like. For both Captainbryce & CoolJGS: Pray, According To WiktionaryI don't need wiktionary when I have the examples in the Bible to describe Biblical prayers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 4:31:26 GMT
I think praying can be a way to worship but they are not technically the same thing in definition . Just look up praying: verb - gerund or present participle: praying address a solemn request or expression of thanks to a deity or other object of worship. "the whole family is praying for Michael" synonyms: say one's prayers, make one's devotions, offer a prayer/prayers - wish or hope strongly for a particular outcome or situation. "after several days of rain, we were praying for sun" The second example doesn't seem to be a form of worship but just to hope for something. That is sort of how I see how praying to saints would be like. I agree with you in your points and I see praying is kind of pointless if there is no action made by yourself in trying to stop it. I don't think it's good to highly depend on something that most likely doesn't exist anyway. But I think praying can bring a sense of hope people look for and psychologically it helps them even if their prayers are never answered. Knowing something is possible can bring people's hopes high. And no where in the Bible even talks about saints period. Catholics might use one or two vague verses to support their belief in praying to saints or whatever but most would say the Bible isn't the only authority but also the church. The church is what teaches about saints and Mary. Prayer is a ritual that is a form of worship. There are other rituals associated with worship too (songs, confession, communion, baptism, etc). All of those are various forms of worship! Catholics do a lot of things that seem to go against the bible, which I always found ironic since they were the ones that popularized it throughout the religion in the first place. Can't really argue with you there. There's a lot of flaws and inconsistencies about Catholicism I think and that's what brought me away from it. It's not some perfect religion like some Catholics say, but there are still some certain aspects about the religion I admire and find spiritually uplifting. I think there's good and bad to all religions
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