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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jul 28, 2017 20:32:35 GMT
Nah, you can't prove anything you assert. Which makes your posts a waste of everyone's time. Makes you a troll, also. No, I just say stuff that DC fans can't stand. Nah, you just talk on your ass and then run like a bitch when called on it.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 29, 2017 2:04:49 GMT
Nope, without Superman there would be no comic-book superheroes. When Action Comics became the most popular comic-book after the premiere of Superman, many comic-book writers and artists started creating other superheroes. But most of those other superheroes were never published because comic-book publishers didn't think they would be successful. Superman was the 1st superhero that a comic-book publisher was willing to publish and Action Comics became the most popular comic-book because of Superman.
Without the success of Superman, comic-book publishers wouldn't have published other superheroes in their comic books. So WITHOUT SUPERMAN, NO MATTER HOW MANY OTHER SUPERHEROES WERE CREATED, COMIC-BOOK PUBLISHERS WEREN'T GOING TO PUBLISH THEM. SUPERMAN'S POPULARITY IS WHAT ALLOWED OTHER SUPERHEROES TO GET PUBLISHED. SO WITHOUT SUPERMAN, THERE WOULD BE NO COMIC-BOOK SUPERHEROES.
Superheroes would exist without Superman, he was expendable. Always was. Anyone created in Superman's place would've "inspired" other superhero characters. No, because to "inspire" other superhero characters, they have to get published first. And when Action Comics became the most popular comic-book after the premiere of Superman, many comic-book writers and artists started creating other superheroes but most of them didn't get published because comic-book publishers didn't think they would be able to sell comics so those unpublished superheroes were just forgotten. So No, Superman wasn't expendable. Superman was the 1st superhero that a comic-book publisher thought would be able to sell comics and it's because of Superman's popularity that the door was opened for other superhero comic books. So without Superman, there would be no comic-book superheroes.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 29, 2017 2:16:42 GMT
No, I just say stuff that DC fans can't stand. Nah, you just talk on your ass and then run like a bitch when called on it. Not my problem you think it's offensive that Superman was and is expendable. Comics never needed him.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 29, 2017 2:19:51 GMT
Superheroes would exist without Superman, he was expendable. Always was. Anyone created in Superman's place would've "inspired" other superhero characters. No, because to "inspire" other superhero characters, they have to get published first. And when Action Comics became the most popular comic-book after the premiere of Superman, many comic-book writers and artists started creating other superheroes but most of them didn't get published because comic-book publishers didn't think they would be able to sell comics so those unpublished superheroes were just forgotten. So No, Superman wasn't expendable. Superman was the 1st superhero that a comic-book publisher thought would be able to sell comics and it's because of Superman's popularity that the door was opened for other superhero comic books. So without Superman, there would be no comic-book superheroes.Superman was, and is, utterly expendable. He's an archetype and those are a dime a dozen. He was just lucky someone thought he could sell when anyone else in his place would have sold just as well. Comic book superheroes would've had someone else who sold well in Superman's place and comics would proceed unchanged.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jul 29, 2017 2:20:42 GMT
Nah, you just talk on your ass and then run like a bitch when called on it. Not my problem you think it's offensive that Superman was and is expendable. Comics never needed him. Yada, yada, yada. Your stupidity and piss-poor attempts at trolling are expendable. This place never needed you.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jul 29, 2017 2:20:58 GMT
Now, go post in my political thread!
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 29, 2017 2:22:30 GMT
Not my problem you think it's offensive that Superman was and is expendable. Comics never needed him. Yada, yada, yada. 2+2, pal, 2+2.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jul 29, 2017 2:27:41 GMT
Your stupidity and piss-poor attempts at trolling are expendable. This place never needed you.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 29, 2017 2:30:28 GMT
Your stupidity and piss-poor attempts at trolling are expendable. This place never needed you. Calm down Francis, you're going to make the skin failure worse.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jul 29, 2017 2:31:19 GMT
Your stupidity and piss-poor attempts at trolling are expendable. This place never needed you. Calm down Francis, you're going to make the skin failure worse. Yikes. You really have that little mental capacity? Honestly.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 29, 2017 12:54:08 GMT
Calm down Francis, you're going to make the skin failure worse. Yikes. 2+2 man, 2+2. There's only one response to you these days.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jul 29, 2017 12:57:31 GMT
2+2 man, 2+2. There's only one response to you these days. So basically this is you: ![](https://media.giphy.com/media/tfbjg0Md9vRtK/giphy.gif)
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 29, 2017 13:02:12 GMT
The Personal Aide to a major politician? Why thank you!
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jul 29, 2017 13:08:25 GMT
The Personal Aide to a major politician? Why thank you! No, you uneducated twat: a sheltered moron literally hiding. You are Buster Bluth. Just -- presumably, a white trash version of him.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 29, 2017 19:03:51 GMT
The Personal Aide to a major politician? Why thank you! No, you uneducated twat. You haven't seen VEEP then. Sad.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jul 29, 2017 19:34:32 GMT
You haven't seen VEEP then. Sad. Of course I've seen Veep, you uneducated twat. Dude's definitive, career-making role was on Arrested. Period.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 29, 2017 19:57:04 GMT
I'm a huge MCU fan and Wonder Woman is my favorite summer movie. I respect what Chris Hemsworth said. Especially: "It’s not a competition, it’s all love.” But I assume what you meant by 'fanboys' are the argumentative, hard-headed, hypocritical fans who don't have a single bad thing to say about anything having to do with Marvel films. Yes, the fanboys like ArArchStanton and formersamhmd. formersamhmd is such a zombie fanboy that he still refuses to admit that there would be no comic book superheroes today if not for Superman and there would be no Avengers and no MCU today if not for Superman: The Movie. I think there would have still been the MCU and Avengers without Superman: The Movie. It just wouldn't be the same as it is now. Because most all comic book movies took cues from Superman: The Movie. My reasoning for this is Star Wars. It came out before Superman: The Movie and was really big for pop culture. If you wiped out Superman: The Movie from existence, Star Wars would be that reference. Hell, I would even say that CBMs took more cues from Star Wars than they did from Superman: The Movie. The only thing that they took from Superman is the structure of the movie (origin for the 1st half to going up against the villain for the 2nd). But them using The Hero's Journey is pretty much taken from Star Wars. Look at the characters in Avengers (and even X-men) and how they match up to Star Wars. Another thing is that books have been adapted to screen before Superman: The Movie and they are still being adapted. Comic books are another source of adaptation. With effects growing (thanks to Star Wars) there still would have been a time when comic book movies would have grown into what they are today.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 29, 2017 20:04:55 GMT
Would DCEU exist without the MCU? Yes, the DCEU would've happened without MCU. Before MCU, WB had announced a Justice League Mortal movie to be directed by George Miller before it was cancelled. And 2007's I Am Legend had a billboard for a Batman vs Superman movie. So WB was already considering a shared cinematic universe before MCU and it was only a matter of time before the DCEU was created. Moreover, DC did already create the 1st shared cinematic universe for superhero movies in 1984. So DC already had a shared cinematic universe a quarter of a century before MCU and it was only a matter of time before DC created another shared cinematic universe with the DCEU. Actually, there wouldn't have been. DC was thinking of making the Justice League movie (not a universe of movies), but chickened out because the X-men movies, while popular, wasn't bringing in the bank like Spider-man and Batman. So they kept on with the solo movies... well the Batman and Superman movies. They gave a far lower budget to movies like Catwoman and Jonah Hex and Green Lantern. The Justice League was just going to be a series of Justice League movies. They even had different actors playing the parts of Superman and Batman from the ones in the solo movies. What shared cinematic universe in 1984?
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 29, 2017 20:16:23 GMT
Yes, the fanboys like ArArchStanton and formersamhmd. formersamhmd is such a zombie fanboy that he still refuses to admit that there would be no comic book superheroes today if not for Superman and there would be no Avengers and no MCU today if not for Superman: The Movie. I think there would have still been the MCU and Avengers without Superman: The Movie. It just wouldn't be the same as it is now. Because most all comic book movies took cues from Superman: The Movie. My reasoning for this is Star Wars. It came out before Superman: The Movie and was really big for pop culture. If you wiped out Superman: The Movie from existence, Star Wars would be that reference. Hell, I would even say that CBMs took more cues from Star Wars than they did from Superman: The Movie. The only thing that they took from Superman is the structure of the movie (origin for the 1st half to going up against the villain for the 2nd). But them using The Hero's Journey is pretty much taken from Star Wars. Look at the characters in Avengers (and even X-men) and how they match up to Star Wars. You're missing the most important point. I think Superman: The Movie was the most expensive movie ever made at that time. Without the success of Superman: The Movie, movie studios wouldn't be producing big-budget superhero movies like today. The success of Superman: The Movie is what led to the big-budget superhero movies today. It's the same with the success Wonder Woman. It had been over a decade since the last female-led superhero movie. If Wonder Woman hadn't been successful, there wouldn't be another female-led superhero movie for a long time. The success of Wonder Woman not only opens the door for more female-led superhero movies but also opens the door for more female Directors to be given the opportunity to direct big-budget franchise movies.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 29, 2017 20:21:58 GMT
I won't argue that Superman may have kicked off comic book heroes as we know them, but it's interesting that you only pick non-Marvel characters, and 3 of the 4 you do are DC, and one later became DC. Captain America, Human Torch and Sub Mariner were also million+ sellers on a regular basis. Captain America's comic was cancelled and when they brought Captain America back a decade later, they re-booted him from his WWII setting to a modern setting by having him frozen in ice. Human Torch was the android and his comic was cancelled and the character was re-booted as Johnny Storm of the Fantastic Four. Sub-Mariner's comic was also cancelled. So none of them were able to last like Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman did. Those characters were actually in Timely Comics. The company that became Marvel. Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman lasted because of a thing called persistence. And they were everything to DC. Think about how many characters get pushes from Marvel and how many get pushes from DC. DC is basically those 3 characters and a bunch of legacy characters. So when DC pushes a Batgirl book or a Superboy or a Teen Titans, they are pushing Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman.
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