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Post by Cuish on Jul 27, 2017 0:58:30 GMT
In The Empire Strikes Back, Han and Leia are looking at the names of different galactic systems on the Falcon computer to get away from the Imperial destroyers. Han finds Lando's name and they agree to go there. They take off and are followed by Boba Fett. After arriving at the cloud city and learning of Lando's betrayal, he tells them Vader and his troopers arrived just before they did. How did they know where Han and Leia were going? Boba Fett was following but there would not have been time to set the trap.
[from IMDb]
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Jul 27, 2017 2:25:31 GMT
From Batman '89
When Batman arrives atop the Cathedral at the end, he is attacked by several of the Joker's men. These men appear from nowhere; the Joker indicated on his walkie that he and Vicki were going to be alone and then they climb up alone. The Joker's chopper has not yet arrived, so there is no logical way for the others to be there.
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Post by mikef6 on Jul 27, 2017 2:54:29 GMT
Probably the biggest Loose End in movie history is from Howard Hawk's "The Big Sleep" (1946) from the novel by Raymond Chandler. A great movie (Bogart and Bacall) from moment to moment but its plot doesn't stand up to much scrutiny, it is so complicated. Anyway, after Geiger, the blackmailer is killed, a car is seen fleeing down the road. Later that night, the car is fished out of San Francisco bay. The driver, the chauffeur for General Sternwood, is behind the wheel. The coroner says it looks like he suffered a blow to the back of the head before death. It is later determined that the chauffeur killed Geiger but who, if anyone, murdered the chauffeur is never explained. Famously, the Warner team of writers knocking out the screenplay (this included William Faulkner) even contacted Chandler and asked him who killed the chauffeur? Chandler himself was at a loss to tell them. To be fair to the film, Chandler's novel (which I just finished reading yesterday) also leaves that thread dangling.
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Post by MCDemuth on Jul 27, 2017 3:29:31 GMT
In The Empire Strikes Back, Han and Leia are looking at the names of different galactic systems on the Falcon computer to get away from the Imperial destroyers. Han finds Lando's name and they agree to go there. They take off and are followed by Boba Fett. After arriving at the cloud city and learning of Lando's betrayal, he tells them Vader and his troopers arrived just before they did. How did they know where Han and Leia were going? Boba Fett was following but there would not have been time to set the trap. [from IMDb] Yeah, I saw this asked on the original IMDb... This is NOT a plot hole... The Millennium Falcon set a course for Bespin. Boba Fett analyzed where the Millennium Falcon was going, and radioed Vader, and told him where they were going... Since the Millennium Falcon's hyperdrive was NOT functioning, it was supposed to take them a LONG time to to get to Bespin. Once Vader knew where the Millennium Falcon was going, he ordered his ship to set course for Bespin, and go there. Vader's ship had a perfectly working Hyperdrive... Since his ship could make the trip much faster, He arrived before Millennium Falcon... The real problem is, according to everything I have heard about the Millennium Falcon, it only has two types of engines... Sub-Light Speed & Hyperdrive... Han says "Bespin is pretty far"... With only Sub-Light Speed engines... You bet it is far! It should have taken YEARS to get there... But somehow, the Millennium Falcon manages to fly from HOTH to BESPIN in what seems to be only a few days. Apparently?... HOTH and BESPIN are in the same Star System?... The whole time period of when the Millennium Falcon travels from HOTH to BESPIN, and when LUKE trains with YODA, seems to be highly questionable and debatable... What in reality should have taken months or years, only takes place over the course of a few days.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jul 27, 2017 3:45:38 GMT
In The Empire Strikes Back, Han and Leia are looking at the names of different galactic systems on the Falcon computer to get away from the Imperial destroyers. Han finds Lando's name and they agree to go there. They take off and are followed by Boba Fett. After arriving at the cloud city and learning of Lando's betrayal, he tells them Vader and his troopers arrived just before they did. How did they know where Han and Leia were going? Boba Fett was following but there would not have been time to set the trap. [from IMDb] That's actually not a plot hole. Imperial military ships are a lot faster than civilian ships. Once they saw where the MF was headed, the Star Destroyers could have easily gotten there first.
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Post by hi224 on Jul 27, 2017 8:05:31 GMT
Madeline could've left San Francisco rather then staying and risking bumping into Scottie as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 15:17:15 GMT
John Connor's existence would have been erased if the ending to Terminator 2 was the franchise's end.
Why did Doc Brown choose to stay in the Old West after his younger self received foreknowledge of being murdered? Okay, this is more of a character choice than a straight up plot hole, but it does seem odd.
The Genesis device created a new planet out of nebula matter and the debris of the starship on which it was detonated. Prior to this, the film had been making a big deal out of finding a suitable planet for the device when it turns out they didn't actually need a planet after all.
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Post by mysterioman007 on Jul 27, 2017 15:27:37 GMT
John Connor's existence would have been erased if the ending to Terminator 2 was the franchise's end. Why did Doc Brown choose to stay in the Old West after his younger self received foreknowledge of being murdered? Okay, this is more of a character choice than a straight up plot hole, but it does seem odd. How would John Connor have been erased? Better yet, why did he not remember dressing Marty up in those silly clothes? Part 1 has a paradox more than a plothole, because if Marty goes back in time to prevent his parents first meeting, causing him not to exist, then he would never be able to go back and cause them not to meet.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 15:35:50 GMT
John Connor's existence would have been erased if the ending to Terminator 2 was the franchise's end. Why did Doc Brown choose to stay in the Old West after his younger self received foreknowledge of being murdered? Okay, this is more of a character choice than a straight up plot hole, but it does seem odd. How would John Connor have been erased? Better yet, why did he not remember dressing Marty up in those silly clothes? Part 1 has a paradox more than a plothole, because if Marty goes back in time to prevent his parents first meeting, causing him not to exist, then he would never be able to go back and cause them not to meet. If Skynet's existence is wiped out, it doesn't invent a time machine, which also means Kyle Reese can't go back in time to sire John Connor. An easier way for Marty to return to the future would be if Doc had fallen to his death while crossing that ledge on the clocktower. He wouldn't have lived to invent the time machine and Marty would have just reappeared in 1985.
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Post by koskiewicz on Jul 27, 2017 15:39:49 GMT
...the OP indicates "your favorite movie" and since I don't have a single favorite movie, I'm not sure how to respond...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 15:41:58 GMT
How would John Connor have been erased? Better yet, why did he not remember dressing Marty up in those silly clothes? Part 1 has a paradox more than a plothole, because if Marty goes back in time to prevent his parents first meeting, causing him not to exist, then he would never be able to go back and cause them not to meet. If Skynet's existence is wiped out, it doesn't invent a time machine, which also means Kyle Reese can't go back in time to sire John Connor. An easier way for Marty to return to the future would be if Doc had fallen to his death while crossing that ledge on the clocktower. He wouldn't have lived to invent the time machine and Marty would have just reappeared in 1985. There are to many paradox in time travel movie. I mean in one sence if time travel is a thing and he traveld back in time and stopped skynet than skynet would never have startet anyway and no time travel would be nesecery sorry about my awful spelling and grammer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 15:42:10 GMT
Another one I forgot to mention: Thanks to Lucas's poor attention to detail, Leia remembering her mother is a retroactive plot hole. And before anyone even thinks about it, I'm just going to paraphrase Mr. Plinkett and say that I don't give a damn if it was explained in some novel or video game or any other extended material. I'm talking about the movie, so I'm going to judge them solely by what's in the movies.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jul 27, 2017 15:42:28 GMT
John Connor's existence would have been erased if the ending to Terminator 2 was the franchise's end. Why did Doc Brown choose to stay in the Old West after his younger self received foreknowledge of being murdered? Okay, this is more of a character choice than a straight up plot hole, but it does seem odd. I think we should open up a time travel movie thread because it's an infinite rabbit hole. T3 I still recognize as canon, ties up that Connor angle. No matter what anyone did in the 80's or 90's, SkyNet was inevitable. re. this thread topic, SBM doesn't seem to have any major gaffes, merely dotted with several minor out of time & place errors with some product labels & swear words. The dead body isn't decomposed, yet I don't think the film/story would pay off with its sense of reflection if everyone just saw a rotted corpse. Stephen King says he's based it on his own life, I'm not certain his own time frame &/or if a body he saw was more along.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 27, 2017 17:05:08 GMT
Boba Fett following them and the Empire being there may have been mutually exclusive events or it could have taken time to travel tat far which would allow what I consider a plothole- Luke's training timeframe.
Fett may have just wanted to ensure he was the one that got Han and knew he was around somewhere.
Vader could have always been headed to Cloud City to prep for Luke.
Of course, as many times as I've seen the movie, it's not really one that I've focused on the details.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 27, 2017 17:15:53 GMT
Although I don't consider this a plot hole per se, the most awesome one similar to a plothole remains the Spiderman 2 car through the window scene.
It's more tied to something that defies logic.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jul 27, 2017 20:28:59 GMT
In The Empire Strikes Back, Han and Leia are looking at the names of different galactic systems on the Falcon computer to get away from the Imperial destroyers. Han finds Lando's name and they agree to go there. They take off and are followed by Boba Fett. After arriving at the cloud city and learning of Lando's betrayal, he tells them Vader and his troopers arrived just before they did. How did they know where Han and Leia were going? Boba Fett was following but there would not have been time to set the trap. [from IMDb] Some time passes between the moment they arrive and when they are taken to the dinner with Vader and Fett. At least an afternoon. Look at the movie again. There are scenes in between.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Jul 27, 2017 20:37:42 GMT
What's a plot hole in my favorite movie? Actually Star Wars itself has the biggest plot hole. Made even bigger by the story in Rogue One.
The Death Star has a port hole that leads directly to its explosive core, but no one ever saw it? Even though they knew that the Rebels had stolen the plans to the Death Star? The Empire would have had an army of architects and analysts scouring those plans to find what the Rebels were looking for!
There's even a guy that comes to Tarkin (in ANH) and says something like "we've analyzed their attack and there is some small chance of danger. Should we evacuate?" And that guy figured it out in minutes with maybe a handful of desk jockeys who were otherwise busy trying not to get killed!
But I still love that movie! lol
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Post by MCDemuth on Jul 27, 2017 20:56:44 GMT
What's a plot hole in my favorite movie? Actually Star Wars itself has the biggest plot hole. Made even bigger by the story in Rogue One.
The Death Star has a port hole that leads directly to its explosive core, but no one ever saw it? Even though they knew that the Rebels had stolen the plans to the Death Star? The Empire would have had an army of architects and analysts scouring those plans to find what the Rebels were looking for!
There's even a guy that comes to Tarkin (in ANH) and says something like "we've analyzed their attack and there is some small chance of danger. Should we evacuate?" And that guy figured it out in minutes with maybe a handful of desk jockeys who were otherwise busy trying not to get killed!
But I still love that movie! lol
That's not a "Plot Hole"... Plot HoleIn fiction, a plot hole, plothole or plot error is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot. Such inconsistencies include such things as illogical or impossible events, and statements or events that contradict earlier events in the storyline.
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While many stories have unanswered questions, unlikely events or chance occurrences, a plot hole is one that is essential to the story's outcome. Plot holes are usually seen as weaknesses or flaws in a story. However, certain genres (and some media) that require or allow suspension of disbelief – especially action, comedy, fantasy, and horror – are more tolerant towards plot holes. Characters who lack common sense often create plot holes.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plot_holeThe Death Star had a design flaw. With all the external artillery and fighters protecting the Death Star, the designers didn't think any rebel fighter would ever get close enough to exploit this flaw. They were wrong. Design Flaws happen in the real world all the time. It has nothing to do with "stories".
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Post by itsthatguyme on Jul 28, 2017 9:11:23 GMT
From Batman '89 When Batman arrives atop the Cathedral at the end, he is attacked by several of the Joker's men. These men appear from nowhere; the Joker indicated on his walkie that he and Vicki were going to be alone and then they climb up alone. The Joker's chopper has not yet arrived, so there is no logical way for the others to be there. Sure there is. The men were already there waiting prior to Batmans arrival.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 28, 2017 11:20:40 GMT
I honestly can't think of any in The Godfather. I even did some googling to see if there was anything I was missing, and anything anyone brought up had simple explanations.
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