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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 31, 2017 4:16:02 GMT
The battles, strategy, & logistics of the show are officially horrible.
The bad:
Hated everything about the invasion plans and the apparent extent of the attack last week made that battle worse too.
Highgarden, who once were considered the equal of the Lannisters is now horrible at battle.
Euron just pops up at will.
Spies & ravens simply do not exist anymore.
Also, the wealthiest families had the weakest castles. A huge change from the books. Casterly Rock is a huge rock which is the main reason it's impenetrable. Highgarden has 3 walls to Winterfell's 2, but an army can just walk right up to it without a siege. Ugh...
The Fantastic:
Every conversation in the show was amazing. Jon & Dany meeting couldn't have been better. Sansa acting like a boss. Euron picking on Jaime. Littlefinger's advice. Oleanna's dying confession. All of it was perfect.
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Post by northernlad on Jul 31, 2017 4:20:01 GMT
Missandei: "Daenerys of the House Targaryen, the First of Her Name, The Unburnt, Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the First Men."
Ser Davos: "This is Jon Snow...he's King in the North."
Loved that exchange. Best line of tonight's episode right there.
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Post by poelzig on Jul 31, 2017 4:30:41 GMT
Missandei: "Daenerys of the House Targaryen, the First of Her Name, The Unburnt, Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the First Men." Ser Davos: "This is Jon Snow...he's King in the North." Loved that exchange. Best line of tonight's episode right there. Either that or "I read the books and followed the instructions." Although I must admit Euron is cracking me up. That guy is the life of the party. What a scamp.
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Post by CynicalDreamer2 on Jul 31, 2017 4:54:28 GMT
Missandei: "Daenerys of the House Targaryen, the First of Her Name, The Unburnt, Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the First Men." Ser Davos: "This is Jon Snow...he's King in the North." Loved that exchange. Best line of tonight's episode right there. Either that or "I read the books and followed the instructions." Although I must admit Euron is cracking me up. That guy is the life of the party. What a scamp. Funny, I find him to be the absolute worst.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 4:56:12 GMT
Euron makes me chuckle as well. I am enjoying his character this season.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 4:57:14 GMT
The battles, strategy, & logistics of the show are officially horrible. The bad: Hated everything about the invasion plans and the apparent extent of the attack last week made that battle worse too. Highgarden, who once were considered the equal of the Lannisters is now horrible at battle. Euron just pops up at will. Spies & ravens simply do not exist anymore. Also, the wealthiest families had the weakest castles. A huge change from the books. Casterly Rock is a huge rock which is the main reason it's impenetrable. Highgarden has 3 walls to Winterfell's 2, but an army can just walk right up to it without a siege. Ugh... The Fantastic: Every conversation in the show was amazing. Jon & Dany meeting couldn't have been better. Sansa acting like a boss. Euron picking on Jaime. Littlefinger's advice. Oleanna's dying confession. All of it was perfect.Something that's arguably been lacking the past couple seasons.
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Post by kevin on Jul 31, 2017 5:24:35 GMT
I added a poll to the thread.
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Post by kevin on Jul 31, 2017 5:30:30 GMT
So long Lady Olenna. Loved that woman. Very true. She was consistently good, funny and likeable. The woman was a gem. Farewell, Queen of Thorns! Very good episode but my heart is sad at losing the person who made us laugh so many times. Man oh man. Any wrong D&D did with the writing in the past, they are redeemed. What a goddamn good episode. My top 5 probably. The writing was so so good. It was superb. Next one might even top it with probable battle between dragons and their mother and the lions and Arya's return to Winterfell. I'm so excited about next week's episode. I also just found out episode 4 and 5 are directed by Matt Shakman who directed the last two episodes of Fargo's first season which are both absolute masterpieces, so I'm even more hyped now.
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Post by itsthatguyme on Jul 31, 2017 5:35:04 GMT
Man oh man. Any wrong D&D did with the writing in the past, they are redeemed. What a goddamn good episode. My top 5 probably. The writing was so so good. Agreed..
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Post by kevin on Jul 31, 2017 6:56:48 GMT
What an incredible episode. It almost felt like the perfect combination between the spectacle of the last two seasons and the dialogue and structure of the earlier seasons. Almost everything about this episode was perfect, but what I loved the most weren't the meetings, reunions or the battle. Those were all great, but the best thing about this episode was the dialogue. D&D made some writing mistakes in the past ('You need a good girl, but you want a bad pussy' is a beautiful example), but the dialogue this episode was stellar. Dare I say just as good as when GRRM was still with the show during its first seasons. Olenna was one of the best characters so I'm sad to see her go, but at least she goes out in the perfect way. Even though we don't actually see her die, that was one of the best death scenes/final words of the entire series. I gave episode 1 and 2 a 9/10 and this episode was way better than those two episodes. It doesn't have the massive battle scenes or the most surprising plot twist, but just like 'Kissed by Fire' it works because the characters are so interesting and the dialogue is as good as it can be. So yeah, definitely one of the better episodes of the series and a 10/10. Can't wait for next week. If the season becomes even better after this episode this will be one of the best seasons so far.
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Post by pk9 on Jul 31, 2017 7:02:54 GMT
The battles, strategy, & logistics of the show are officially horrible. The bad: Hated everything about the invasion plans and the apparent extent of the attack last week made that battle worse too. Highgarden, who once were considered the equal of the Lannisters is now horrible at battle. Euron just pops up at will. Spies & ravens simply do not exist anymore. Also, the wealthiest families had the weakest castles. A huge change from the books. Casterly Rock is a huge rock which is the main reason it's impenetrable. Highgarden has 3 walls to Winterfell's 2, but an army can just walk right up to it without a siege. Ugh... The Fantastic: Every conversation in the show was amazing. Jon & Dany meeting couldn't have been better. Sansa acting like a boss. Euron picking on Jaime. Littlefinger's advice. Oleanna's dying confession. All of it was perfect. I think it's now clear that the main reason for shortening the season was budget constraints rather than lack of material. Each of those battles (Casterly Rock and Highgarden) could have taken weeks to show, but instead were shortened to like five minutes of screentime. Remember back in seasons 2 and 4 when single battles took up entire episodes? PS I'm starting to think Daenerys should have just attacked King's Landing directly. I know she didn't want her dragons to set fire to the city, but I think if she had just had them do a fly over while her entire army attacked it would have crushed morale and resulted in a surrender.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 31, 2017 10:55:51 GMT
The battles, strategy, & logistics of the show are officially horrible. The bad: Hated everything about the invasion plans and the apparent extent of the attack last week made that battle worse too. Highgarden, who once were considered the equal of the Lannisters is now horrible at battle. Euron just pops up at will. Spies & ravens simply do not exist anymore. Also, the wealthiest families had the weakest castles. A huge change from the books. Casterly Rock is a huge rock which is the main reason it's impenetrable. Highgarden has 3 walls to Winterfell's 2, but an army can just walk right up to it without a siege. Ugh... The Fantastic: Every conversation in the show was amazing. Jon & Dany meeting couldn't have been better. Sansa acting like a boss. Euron picking on Jaime. Littlefinger's advice. Oleanna's dying confession. All of it was perfect. I think it's now clear that the main reason for shortening the season was budget constraints rather than lack of material. Each of those battles (Casterly Rock and Highgarden) could have taken weeks to show, but instead were shortened to like five minutes of screentime. Remember back in seasons 2 and 4 when single battles took up entire episodes? PS I'm starting to think Daenerys should have just attacked King's Landing directly. I know she didn't want her dragons to set fire to the city, but I think if she had just had them do a fly over while her entire army attacked it would have crushed morale and resulted in a surrender. That was one of the things that was baffling to me. She would risk more lives of her own people doing standard invasions and because of that she has lost thousands. Tyrion's plans were doomed to be horrible and even more so when the ghost ships of Euron (Which they've known about since last season) can pop up at any point in time. She should have always attacked King's Landing first.
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Post by airborne3502 on Jul 31, 2017 12:21:31 GMT
What an incredible episode. It almost felt like the perfect combination between the spectacle of the last two seasons and the dialogue and structure of the earlier seasons. Almost everything about this episode was perfect, but what I loved the most weren't the meetings, reunions or the battle. Those were all great, but the best thing about this episode was the dialogue. D&D made some writing mistakes in the past ('You need a good girl, but you want a bad pussy' is a beautiful example), but the dialogue this episode was stellar. Dare I say just as good as when GRRM was still with the show during its first seasons. Olenna was one of the best characters so I'm sad to see her go, but at least she goes out in the perfect way. Even though we don't actually see her die, that was one of the best death scenes/final words of the entire series. I gave episode 1 and 2 a 9/10 and this episode was way better than those two episodes. It doesn't have the massive battle scenes or the most surprising plot twist, but just like 'Kissed by Fire' it works because the characters are so interesting and the dialogue is as good as it can be. So yeah, definitely one of the better episodes of the series and a 10/10. Can't wait for next week. If the season becomes even better after this episode this will be one of the best seasons so far. I couldn't agree more. I don't do this very often with episodic television, but I'm going to watch it again tonight. If the quality holds up, Game of Thrones will become a timeless masterpiece and a "desert island" show for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 18:41:45 GMT
Very true. She was consistently good, funny and likeable. The woman was a gem. Farewell, Queen of Thorns! Very good episode but my heart is sad at losing the person who made us laugh so many times. It was superb. Next one might even top it with probable battle between dragons and their mother and the lions and Arya's return to Winterfell. I'm so excited about next week's episode. I also just found out episode 4 and 5 are directed by Matt Shakman who directed the last two episodes of Fargo's first season which are both absolute masterpieces, so I'm even more hyped now. His work on Fargo was incredible.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jul 31, 2017 19:03:56 GMT
Why was Bran being such a dick? He reunited with his home and his sister. Sansa glad to see him and wants to spend some time with him. Bran tells her he can see every thing. So what does he bring up to prove it... I realize his people skills are bad, hanging with Hodor and some old guy in a tree, but it seemed like he did it just to piss off Sansa.
And he didn't see too happy to see Sansa.
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Post by Ad○rably Obn○xi○us🐢 on Jul 31, 2017 19:21:35 GMT
Bran has had his own journey separate from the rest of the Starks and is a completely different person now. The weight of knowing everything has understandably changed him. Sansa doesn't understand him yet but with time she will come to fully appreciate both what Bran has been through and what he can do. She-and we-cannot expect Bran to be the same person he was when the Starks were last all together. We know what he's experienced. Surely you wouldn't expect him to be the same. Although I feel a little bad for Sansa, she will adjust. Bran wasn't being a dick. He was being what he is...the Three Eyed Raven. All Sansa needs is some time.
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Post by Marv on Jul 31, 2017 19:31:16 GMT
Why was Bran being such a dick? He reunited with his home and his sister. Sansa glad to see him and wants to spend some time with him. Bran tells her he can see every thing. So what does he bring up to prove it... I realize his people skills are bad, hanging with Hodor and some old guy in a tree, but it seemed like he did it just to piss off Sansa. And he didn't see too happy to see Sansa. I think with the all knowing all seeing aspect of being the 3 eyed raven also comes a disconnect with humanity. Think of Dr Manhattan in Watchmen. I didn't like it tho.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jul 31, 2017 19:31:35 GMT
Bran has had his own journey separate from the rest of the Starks and is a completely different person now. The weight of knowing everything has understandably changed him. Sansa doesn't understand him yet but with time she will come to fully appreciate both what Bran has been through and what he can do. She-and we-cannot expect Bran to be the same person he was when the Starks were last all together. We know what he's experienced. Surely you wouldn't expect him to be the same. Although I feel a little bad for Sansa, she will adjust. Bran wasn't being a dick. He was being what he is...the Three Eyed Raven. All Sansa needs is some time. Every character is completely different now. Sansa, Jon, Tryion, Jamie etc. Point is, Bran could have brought up any memory. Sansa's escape from Winterfell, feeding Ramsey to the dogs, hell, her being stripped and beaten at the Red Keep. Why bring up that one? And he did not look happy to see her. You could almost see on his face "Yeah, yeah woman. where's Jon. Got something to tell him".
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Post by Ad○rably Obn○xi○us🐢 on Jul 31, 2017 19:43:05 GMT
Bran has had his own journey separate from the rest of the Starks and is a completely different person now. The weight of knowing everything has understandably changed him. Sansa doesn't understand him yet but with time she will come to fully appreciate both what Bran has been through and what he can do. She-and we-cannot expect Bran to be the same person he was when the Starks were last all together. We know what he's experienced. Surely you wouldn't expect him to be the same. Although I feel a little bad for Sansa, she will adjust. Bran wasn't being a dick. He was being what he is...the Three Eyed Raven. All Sansa needs is some time. Every character is completely different now. Sansa, Jon, Tryion, Jamie etc. Point is, Bran could have brought up any memory. Sansa's escape from Winterfell, feeding Ramsey to the dogs, hell, her being stripped and beaten at the Red Keep. Why bring up that one? And he did not look happy to see her. You could almost see on his face "Yeah, yeah woman. where's Jon. Got something to tell him". He probably brought up her most painful memory to really drive home what he is. They're on a time limit and getting into an emotional days-long reunion just can't be scheduled in. You're right, they have all changed and will have to adjust to each other and this is just part of it. Sansa will come to understand that Bran coming to Winterfell is about all she may get in terms of relief at seeing him alive; it's not like he went south to Cersei. He does need to see and talk to John and as mentioned, time is of the utmost importance. I can't even imagine how much it would change me to know everything that ever was and every outcome of every possible move. I'm not even sure he's really a person in the mental sense anymore; I haven't read the books so don't know how he might have been described in them. Sansa will adjust. Arya's coming back and will provide much needed distraction lol.
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Post by bluerisk on Jul 31, 2017 20:38:18 GMT
Aside this plot armour for the Lannisters:
If Jon joins Daenearys, and thus the North, the Vale, and de facto the Riverlands were the Freys have gone, it become most critical for the Lannisters.
I assume that the Lords of the Riverlands are most likely in open rebellion and the major Lannister forces are in the South - they have nothing to maintain their occupation in these areas. I guess that is what Ser Davos meant with that they could almost take King's Landing by themselves.
It might not be enough for King Landing, but for the Riverlands, for the people and Lords will support them, and the Lannister and Freys forces are gone. So, if the entire North and Vale help to free the Riverlands and march for Lannisport, they can relief the troops at Castely rock with ease. And with holding the Trident and the Westerlands, they have an easy way to defend these territorries, while the Dornish will rage and attack. And house Tyrell has still many loyalists like Hightower (Old town) and Redwyen (sp?) (The Arbor).
The Lannister have to decide: go for Old Town and the Arbor (most likely supported by Dorne), or back for King's Landing for Dragonstone is very close and when the the Vale, Riverlands and the Western Lands have build one big frontline that goes till Dragonstone, they have to care for the combined threat of Dany's army and the Northen army (North, Vale Riverlands).
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