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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 22:49:50 GMT
Not sure if this is the best place to post but anyway....
"He who can describe how his heart is ablaze is burning on a small pyre."
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Post by general313 on Jul 30, 2017 23:19:30 GMT
Just a guess, but maybe That someone who understands his or her emotions is shallow and lacking complexity?
edit: If that's his point, I don't agree with it.
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Post by fatpaul on Jul 31, 2017 12:45:35 GMT
I reckon Petrarch is saying that emotions cannot be described.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jul 31, 2017 19:02:35 GMT
I think he is saying someone who says they are in love and can describe it must not have a strong kind of love (the idea being that strong love would be beyond adequate description).
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Post by fatpaul on Aug 1, 2017 11:30:11 GMT
Feelings can be described, emotions are all in the mind and can create the feeling. Is it then feelings that are really being described. Emotions are categorised as feelings, they're thoughts about particulars accompanying bodily sensations and are different from other feelings, such as being lightheaded or déjà vu, which don't seem to have any particular thoughts about them. With emotions, we seem to get angry/ in love with something/someone as opposed to moods which don't seem to be about anything particular. To say what an emotion is per se is actually more complex than what I've stated, dare I say emotion is indescribable even.
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Post by fatpaul on Aug 1, 2017 12:13:40 GMT
I suppose my point was that emotions can create feelings\sensations in our bodies. Our constitution can react to certain emotions which in turn can create a feeling. It all starts in the head and while the 2 could be considered interchangeable, I usually look at the literal aspect of feelings, rather than consider them emotions. Emotions can get romanticized as feelings, hence the quote from Petrach. I think it is a fair question whether thoughts imply bodily sensations or bodily sensations imply thoughts but I don't really know. [Edited due to gibberish on my behalf]
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Post by fatpaul on Aug 1, 2017 12:43:59 GMT
Well, the context, or content of all that we perceive, is created in the mind first. Thinking is process, thought is content. All the rest boils down to mind games and what we hold onto and attach ourselves too. Emotions can rule our head and decide how we act\react to certain situations and we may also want to believe our heart, but to me, that can become delusion and what most may perceive as feelings. Apologies TC, I edited my original as I thought I wasn't explaining myself properly but to your credit, you answered anyhow. And I do think that there is some context to emotion, but I consider the context to be concrete, as in a social or work setting.
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Post by fatpaul on Aug 1, 2017 13:36:09 GMT
Yes, emotion can have context for the individual experiencing them, but it would depends on who's projection it is though. It won't be or even feel the same for everyone. Nothing the mind projects and thinks is ever really concrete. From an individual basis, it is all abstract. I don't understand what you mean by projection. When I say based on a context, I'm suggesting that we experience bodily sensations and assign thoughts to these sensations based on the situation. We could experience certain sensations and say it is fear in one context but in another, assign excitement. It's difficult for example, to separate the fear from the excitement while on a rollercoaster.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 20:33:52 GMT
Not sure if this is the best place to post but anyway.... " He who can describe how his heart is ablaze is burning on a small pyre." Something to the effect that language is limited and we can never fully express our inner being orthings of the heart with words?
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Post by fatpaul on Aug 2, 2017 6:59:27 GMT
Is your excitement or fear going to be the same as the next person? In answer to your question, I'd say that there would be differences. In hindsight, I should have stated: It's difficult to separate the fear from the excitement in oneself while on a rollercoaster. An upright stick projects a shadow onto a surface due to the rays of the sun. If the stick is the mindset and the shadow is the projected illusion of experience, what's the sun and what's the surface?
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Post by general313 on Aug 3, 2017 14:47:47 GMT
In answer to your question, I'd say that there would be differences. In hindsight, I should have stated: It's difficult to separate the fear from the excitement in oneself while on a rollercoaster. An upright stick projects a shadow onto a surface due to the rays of the sun. If the stick is the mindset and the shadow is the projected illusion of experience, what's the sun and what's the surface? At the end of the day though, the mindset (stick), and projected illusion (shadow) is all one and the same. The sun and the surface are still our projected illusions of what we may perceive\project to be separate. The sun and earth work in unison with each other, as does everything in the universe. It is all connected. If the sun is nothing but a "projected illusion" (presumably in your mind), are you then free to alter its properties at will? If so, mind demonstrating? If not, can you explain why not?
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Post by general313 on Aug 7, 2017 15:04:50 GMT
If the sun is nothing but a "projected illusion" (presumably in your mind), are you then free to alter its properties at will? If so, mind demonstrating? If not, can you explain why not? It would all come down to a mass conscious effort, but altering the sun's properties is not something I have even given thought too. Perhaps if this is something you think of or project, then others may be doing the same and how do we know if the sun's properties aren't being altered at will? We are all the creators of our own realities, and more powerful than we give ourselves credit for. At some point in history everyone thought the earth was flat. So was this "mass conscious effort" enough to make it so?
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Post by general313 on Aug 28, 2017 15:02:58 GMT
This example should serve as a warning not to take ecstasy every day for decades.
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