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Post by Nora on Aug 2, 2017 1:01:41 GMT
July must have been a month of the biggest disappointments for me, at the cinema. Dunkirk, Baby Driver and Atomic Blonde. Atomic Blonde was probably the smallest disappointment of the 3, but still. Here is what bugged me about it: 1. Not enough James McAvoy whose character had the most impact on the story it seemed 2. We knew virtually NOTHING about the main character. I mean I dont need a bible on each character, but even Wick at least showed us "he loved his wife and his puppy". Case closed, I would have been happy to take as little as that with Therons character. 3. I understand the appeal of lesbian scenes including two hot women but it felt too forced and marketing-driven.
4. The visuals looked like John Wick, its characters talked like those from John Wick but yet somehow it was feeding us a story as complicated as Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, in its ambition? What the hell was that?
5. the ridiculous ending
6. Theron was not a strong enough action lead for me. I dont mean she didnt do her own stunts or stuff like that, I know she did a lot, but her on-screen presence didn't fit the part. Spy in Berlin during that time wouldn't have dressed and styled as her, as that would instantly get her noticed and killed. Again, I get it, its marketing, but you know, unlike Kingsman or Wick where there was this additional part of the world so their spies could have pulled off wearing what they did and acting like they did, this story was saying its in a normal world. So she just looked ridiculous to me most of the time, with her facial expressions, those hair and clothes.
7. I am all for female power, but when a 115 pound girl is wrestling with and punching a 230 pound guy, (or two!) it does look ridiculous no matter how much martial art and corkscrews you throw in there. Especially since the scenes didn't show her using flexibility or speed as much as pure "horsepower" often. Ugh..
8. useless and story-breaking scenes from London, and a waste of John Goodman.
BUT - I am totally sold on the idea of crossing the Atomic Blonde and John Wick universes and have them meet. And I do believe in second chances so I hope for the best for the director as well as the sequel if it gets made.
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Post by politicidal on Aug 2, 2017 3:23:26 GMT
So what's your final tally?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 13:15:32 GMT
Agree with Dunkirk. Apparently the British and German airforce consisted of 3 airplanes each! 😧😦😥😤😣😮
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Post by sostie on Aug 2, 2017 13:56:20 GMT
Agree with Dunkirk. Apparently the British and German airforce consisted of 3 airplanes each! 😧😦😥😤😣😮 Well there were few British planes because the fighters could not carry enough fuel to get them to Dunkirk, protect the troops and return. Many had to deal with German planes on the journey there using up more fuel, which meant there was never any large numbers of RAF planes there at any one time. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 18:01:49 GMT
B. H. Liddell Hart wrote that Fighter Command lost 106 aircraft over Dunkirk and the Luftwaffe lost about 135, some of which were shot down by the French Navy and the Royal Navy. MacDonald wrote in 1986, that the British losses were 177 aircraft and German losses 240
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Aug 2, 2017 19:11:25 GMT
July must have been a month of the biggest disappointments for me, at the cinema. Dunkirk, Baby Driver and Atomic Blonde. Atomic Blonde was probably the smallest disappointment of the 3, but still.
What did you think?Wait... why were you disappointed with Baby Driver? That movie was awesome. |
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Post by Nora on Aug 4, 2017 4:10:37 GMT
Agree with Dunkirk. Apparently the British and German airforce consisted of 3 airplanes each! 😧😦😥😤😣😮 plus i felt bad for how they completely omitted the sacrifice made by the french. without that the whole dunkirk story would look very different.. |
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Post by Nora on Aug 4, 2017 4:11:07 GMT
So what's your final tally? 6/10 |
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Post by Nora on Aug 4, 2017 4:13:48 GMT
July must have been a month of the biggest disappointments for me, at the cinema. Dunkirk, Baby Driver and Atomic Blonde. Atomic Blonde was probably the smallest disappointment of the 3, but still.
What did you think?Wait... why were you disappointed with Baby Driver? That movie was awesome. i didn't like how silly the plot was and how much they pushed the visuals and style over story. I had a feeling they were going for a True Romance kinda flick, but then they should have had a much better story. Maybe I was just expecting something else. The silly/nonsensical/over the top stuff made it boring for me after a while. Oh and nothing felt genuine / effortless (unlike True Romance, or lets go with Edgars previous movies. Shawn of the Dead) |
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Post by merh on Aug 4, 2017 7:16:33 GMT
Atomic Blonde fell short of Wick, but it was decent. I put it at 7/8, so I guess 7.5 which is around B-
They said they factored in the weight issue by the female throwing more punches in rapid succession. So instead of POW! it's pow-pow-pow.
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Post by barkingbaphomet on Aug 4, 2017 12:01:38 GMT
wouldn't Atomic Blonde be a grandma by the time of John Wick?
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Post by Nora on Aug 4, 2017 16:01:58 GMT
Atomic Blonde fell short of Wick, but it was decent. I put it at 7/8, so I guess 7.5 which is around B- They said they factored in the weight issue by the female throwing more punches in rapid succession. So instead of POW! it's pow-pow-pow. With such a huge weight difference her punch would just not carry the desirable effect, so UNLESS she managed to hit them in their face or other sensitive spot every time (which why would she be able to, if they were obviously trained killers) she wouldn't have been causing enough damage. Plus in a few scenes it felt like the killers were "waiting" around, to get punched/stabbed again. She did some BJJ/MMA moves too, where yes, you do not need to be the same way as your opponent to manipulate them, but when your are ALSO outnumbered, those scenes end up looking really ridiculous. To me at least. And I don't mind ridiculous (hey I loved both John Wicks) but this movie (unlike John Wick) seemed to take itself (and its hero) much more seriously. To me that was the problem. I presume you have seen Haywire? There is a female lead that fights in a way that looks credible. Yes, she is Gina Carano, I know, but look at her build and style of fighting. Thats what I mean. |
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Post by Nora on Aug 4, 2017 16:05:42 GMT
wouldn't Atomic Blonde be a grandma by the time of John Wick? In Wicks time she would be sixty true, but at that time Wick is around 50 so not that big of a difference. But there are talks that they are going to bring Wick into the 90ties so Blonde will look her normal age and they will just make Keanu appear about 10 years younger. Which shouldnt bee too difficult. And they have them meet there. I would Really enjoy that. And would Really hope they wouldnt push some feminist BS like John not being able to defeat her - if he wanted to. |
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Post by moviemanjackson on Aug 4, 2017 17:03:14 GMT
Went with a C+. The visuals and soundtrack/score slightly outweigh the disappointing/convoluted story.
I bet the pieces may fit better on multiple rewatches, but, the problem is like you expressed there's no interest in going back to this world beyond a surface-level viewing. The characters are meh or nonexistent.
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Post by merh on Aug 5, 2017 0:28:50 GMT
Atomic Blonde fell short of Wick, but it was decent. I put it at 7/8, so I guess 7.5 which is around B- They said they factored in the weight issue by the female throwing more punches in rapid succession. So instead of POW! it's pow-pow-pow. With such a huge weight difference her punch would just not carry the desirable effect, so UNLESS she managed to hit them in their face or other sensitive spot every time (which why would she be able to, if they were obviously trained killers) she wouldn't have been causing enough damage. Plus in a few scenes it felt like the killers were "waiting" around, to get punched/stabbed again. She did some BJJ/MMA moves too, where yes, you do not need to be the same way as your opponent to manipulate them, but when your are ALSO outnumbered, those scenes end up looking really ridiculous. To me at least. And I don't mind ridiculous (hey I loved both John Wicks) but this movie (unlike John Wick) seemed to take itself (and its hero) much more seriously. To me that was the problem. I presume you have seen Haywire? There is a female lead that fights in a way that looks credible. Yes, she is Gina Carano, I know, but look at her build and style of fighting. Thats what I mean. No, I haven't seen Haywire. Marvel fangirl. Grew up on the 60s stuff so Batgirl, Catwoman, Girl from UNCLE.. I pay to see a movie. I accept the reality it is selling unless it's insane. My problem with Nolan is he makes characters act however just to get to where he wants even if it is outside the established character. I am not a huge fan of his Batman For all the insistence it is so real, it's not. This takes us back to its superheroes so it should be treated as such, not otherwise. Why are the cops, insisting they are crossing all the %'s & dotting all the I's so Joker can't squirm out through some loophole letting a vigilante have at him? So I accept in Atomic Blonde she kicks ass. |
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Post by hi224 on Aug 5, 2017 1:43:19 GMT
I loved Dunkirk and Baby Driver pity.
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Post by Nora on Aug 5, 2017 3:33:55 GMT
I presume you have seen Haywire? There is a female lead that fights in a way that looks credible. Yes, she is Gina Carano, I know, but look at her build and style of fighting. Thats what I mean. No, I haven't seen Haywire. I accept the reality it is selling unless it's insane. So I accept in Atomic Blonde she kicks ass. well then there is one really good movie with a really believable female lead. Watch Haywire. She rocks. As far as accepting reality the movie presents unless insane - I feel like that also, When the movie as a whole works within one presented reality. For example I had no problem accepting Hit Girl in Kick Ass. And she was even smaller and lighter than Charlize here. But the rest of the movie just created a world where all of that was normal. But Atomic Blonde failed in this. They tried to make the world (unlike Kick Ass, Kingsmen or John Wick) seem so "real" so "grounded" in reality, that then it just made it impossible for me to overlook the obviously unreal sequences. Like her vs the two big guys on the stairs. Having said that, of course I will go see a sequel if there is ever one… but then again, I go see everything that comes out each week, so…:-) |
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Post by Nora on Aug 5, 2017 3:37:23 GMT
I loved Dunkirk and Baby Driver pity. its so interesting to me. my taste usually matches with the critics scores on RT. And usually I understand why other people don't like some of the movies I do (for example I am a fan of Adam Sandlers work and totally get why people hate him/don't like him) and I most of the time I also understand why other people like the movies I don't like (like Captain America. I didn't find it entertaining but understand why others did). But with Dunkirk and Baby Driver I just don't get it. Critics love it. Audience loves it. What am I missing? Dunkirk was boring and soulless to me, and Baby Driver was over-hyped over-styled empty shell of a True Romance look alike… |
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Post by hi224 on Aug 5, 2017 3:40:32 GMT
I loved Dunkirk and Baby Driver pity. its so interesting to me. my taste usually matches with the critics scores on RT. And usually I understand why other people don't like some of the movies I do (for example I am a fan of Adam Sandlers work and totally get why people hate him/don't like him) and I most of the time I also understand why other people like the movies I don't like (like Captain America. I didn't find it entertaining but understand why others did). But with Dunkirk and Baby Driver I just don't get it. Critics love it. Audience loves it. What am I missing? Dunkirk was boring and soulless to me, and Baby Driver was over-hyped over-styled empty shell of a True Romance look alike… well to be fair Nolan movies can be polarizing as well. |
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Post by merh on Aug 5, 2017 5:25:03 GMT
No, I haven't seen Haywire. I accept the reality it is selling unless it's insane. So I accept in Atomic Blonde she kicks ass. well then there is one really good movie with a really believable female lead. Watch Haywire. She rocks. As far as accepting reality the movie presents unless insane - I feel like that also, When the movie as a whole works within one presented reality. For example I had no problem accepting Hit Girl in Kick Ass. And she was even smaller and lighter than Charlize here. But the rest of the movie just created a world where all of that was normal. But Atomic Blonde failed in this. They tried to make the world (unlike Kick Ass, Kingsmen or John Wick) seem so "real" so "grounded" in reality, that then it just made it impossible for me to overlook the obviously unreal sequences. Like her vs the two big guys on the stairs. Having said that, of course I will go see a sequel if there is ever one… but then again, I go see everything that comes out each week, so…:-) I liked there were a couple of twists. The CIA twist says it all It is really all you need to know about her motivation, isn't it? it's like Fury being THE spy-his secrets have secrets.
By making her a high level CIA-CIA pretending to be a British spy pretending to be a Russian agent? I liked how they layered it. Set when the Berlin Wall came down. All that late 80s music-Der Komissar, 99 luft balloons, etc. I liked the nod in the bar when the pop music ended & "As Time Goes By" was playing in the background as we had similarly grey characters as in Casablanca. This side. That side. Their own side. |
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