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Post by tarathian123 on Feb 27, 2017 6:47:15 GMT
Did Robin Hood exist, was he a amalgamation of many men, or was he simply from someone's imagination? Was he from Nottingham, Yorkshire, the Northeast, or from elsewhere (I think even Scotland has claimed him). Was he a loner or did he have a band of outlaws with him? He has been put into the reigns of Richard the Lionheart, Edward II, and even the reigns of other monarchs. He is an epitome of freedom, but was he simply a thieving rogue? Did he really exist? I'd be interested in your comments.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 10:17:28 GMT
No
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Post by tarathian123 on Feb 27, 2017 15:36:04 GMT
Well that's a definitive answer. :-) Care to elaborate?
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Post by Jonesy1 on Feb 27, 2017 15:44:44 GMT
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Post by tarathian123 on Feb 27, 2017 16:20:26 GMT
Thanks for the link. Yes I'm reasonably well aware of the legend of Robin, but I was hoping for other peoples' views on the subject. Isn't that what these boards are for?
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Post by Jonesy1 on Feb 27, 2017 17:08:53 GMT
Well I'm not convinced of the Hollywood version but I do believe that there was a Robin Hood, particularly after visiting Little John's grave many years ago.
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Post by tarathian123 on Feb 27, 2017 17:26:49 GMT
Strange that the headstone says "Little John" when legend has it that his real name was "John Little". Where is that situated?
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Post by Jonesy1 on Feb 27, 2017 17:45:01 GMT
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Post by tarathian123 on Feb 27, 2017 18:03:42 GMT
Oke, thanks. Apparently Robin Hood himself has a grave. But it's been moved at least three times. :-)
Have to go for a while.
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Post by politicidal on Feb 27, 2017 18:23:23 GMT
Probably not. Likely just the product from generations of imaginative poets and bards along with a need to vent about certain historical blunders like Prince John or Richard the Lionheart's crusade.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 3:00:43 GMT
Robin Hood is an amalgamation of various folk tales that evolved from a real life person not unlike King Arthur who was probably a petty chieftain that had gained some local fame for leading Britons into battle against Saxon invaders.
I would say that they both did exist but legend is probably 90% of our understanding of them.
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Post by tarathian123 on Mar 2, 2017 12:18:25 GMT
Many thanks for your informative input.
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Post by louise on Mar 5, 2017 14:50:07 GMT
it would ne nice to think so. But his legend changed a lot over time. in the earliest stories, he is simply an outlaw who robs without any noble motive. He does give to the poor, but that isn't his main purpose in stealing. he is more of a loveable rogue than a noble hero.
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Post by tarathian123 on Mar 6, 2017 0:30:13 GMT
To be outside the law in mediaeval times was to be considered as the lowest of the low, and to even exist would have been very difficult. Obviously many outlaws did but I doubt if any of them looked or acted anything like Douglas Fairbanks, Kevin Costner or Richard Greene, or any other TV and Hollywood portrayals. :-)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 7:39:03 GMT
The closest real life person to him was Will(iam) o(f) the Wold.
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Post by tarathian123 on Mar 6, 2017 8:31:39 GMT
I confess I haven't heard of William of the Wold, nor can I find out anything about him online. Perhaps you'd be kind enough to point me to him. Could William of Cloudesly perhaps be your William of the Wold? Apart from Robin Hood and his men there are three other famous literary ‘Yemen of the north countrey’, the three Inglewood outlaws known as Adam Bell, Clim of the Clough, and William of Cloudesly. The hero of the three is actually William of Cloudesly... There has been an attempt to identify Adam Bell as: "a genuine personage of history’, with a "very authentic source of information, some particulars of this hero of our popular minstrelsy, which show distinctly the time at which he lived." However the stories are very similar to earlier known tales of Robin Hood which puts a doubt on this claim. www.robinhoodlegend.com/adam-bell-clim-clough-william-cloudesly/
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Post by truecristian on Mar 10, 2017 13:55:07 GMT
I was told in a geneology report of our family tree that he was my ancestor. I was also told that he existed but not in the way that we think or that the movies portray. My mothers maiden name was Yates and is English. they say somehow that he was an ancestor on the family tree.
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Post by tarathian123 on Mar 10, 2017 16:16:48 GMT
@ truecristian --- Exactly what did I say? ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 16:18:57 GMT
My guess is he was a fictional character inspired by a bunch of real events.
For Example, picture with me if you will the Dark Ages. You constantly live in fear from tyranny. You have small children, lets say you have a house of 7 kids all under the age of 18.
What do you say to them to inspire hope? Religion is one thing they did rely on during the Dark Ages, but some people needed local hope, or inspiration from their fellow man to feel secure and brave.
So as a father or mother in that time, you might hear of "Jim Doe" defying a local sheriff, and giving his taxes back to the people. You may have hear a tale of a town on the other side of England where a group of men stood against some authoritative figure.
Then, you retell these stories of bravery. Then, to make it more 'real' you combine these stories with one name. Then you create a 'symbol' of hope to inspire your kids to stand up for themselves, or simply not live in fear because there is a MAN and his Men out there protecting the innocent, robbing from the rich and giving to the poor. It's the same hope people who play the lottery have, or publishers clearing house.
Finally, after the generations who created these tales die off, their 7 kids tell their 7 kids, thats 49 kids. Then those 49 kids tell their 7 kids each, then their cousins tell their neighbors. People were ignorant and uneducated during the dark ages, they believed it. Then the stakes get higher. "I hear Robin Hood stood up to the Sheriff" no, no, no, "He stood up to Guy of Gisborne", alas, no... "He stood up to Prince John HIMSELF!"
Some nuts made false graves to solidify the myth/belief.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 2:02:28 GMT
Actually the tales of Robin Hood remind me of the myth-taking that began to form around Jesse James and the Younger gang after the Civil War in the South as figures of rebellion carrying on the fight in retaliation for sending those Northern 'Carpet Baggers'.
Look how long the legend of Jesse James has persisted and been embellished upon into legend that we are still completely familiar with him as a symbol of resistance.
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