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Post by FilmFlaneur on Aug 8, 2017 13:59:50 GMT
Rio Bravo , itself the director's claimed riposte to High Noon, was remade by Hawks a few years later as El Dorado. I prefer the first run through, as it has Brennan as Stumpy in the jail, a couple of good songs, the Deguello moment, and Angie Dickinson in a subplot subversive of the masculinity which is paraded elsewhere. El Dorado of course has Mitchum, Caan's Mississippi with the hat (better than Bravo's one-note Nelson), and is arguably an all-round tighter film. (An even looser remake, Rio Lobo appeared a few years after this)
Which one do you like best?
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Post by drystyx on Aug 15, 2017 15:01:41 GMT
Breaking it down.
Color and spectacle: I would say both are equal
Hot women. No contest, a landslide victory for EL DORADO, loaded with hot babes, while RIO BRAVO has nothing but women next door looks. EL DORADO by a million landslides.
John Wayne vs. John Wayne. Now, this is also based on the writing of the characters as much as the actors. It's still equal, but the EL DORADO duke is a little more interesting.
Robert Mitchum vs. Dean Martin. Mitchum by a landslide, due both to his charisma, acting, and the writing of the character. EL DORADO by a landslide.
Brennan vs. Hunnicut, no offense to Brennan, a great actor, but a landslide victory for Hunnicut due to the writing of the role. Brennan's character was nothing more than a feeble old charity case. Hunnicut's character was written with inegrity. EL DORADO by more than a landslide.
Nelson vs. Caan. Caan did more with the role, but Nelson's character was much more three dimensional. "Mississippi" was just a vengeful punk out to murder four men, and no one in his right mind believes Mississippi and his mentor weren't demonic cheats. I still root for Charlie against the punk kid. Caan just did a masterful snake oil sales job on the character. Nelson had a much more interesting character, so the nod here goes to RIO BRAVO by a quarter of a landslide.
Head honcho villain. I like Asner, but really this is a tie.
Tough guy villain. Akins and George both are great at chewing up the roles and making them fun. Christopher George seems to really love doing funny death scenes. Akins didn't really do a lot after his beginning bit of savagery. I give the edge to the George character because of the "fun factor". A quarter of a landslide victory for EL DORADO.
So, it doesn't take much Math to see that EL DORADO wins by several landslides over RIO BRAVO, but both are great fun.
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Post by movielover on Aug 15, 2017 16:41:35 GMT
Rio Bravo
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Post by Wesley Crusher on Aug 15, 2017 16:54:53 GMT
Rio Bravo - one of the greatest films ever. 10 Rating
El Dorado - very good film. 7 Rating
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Post by BATouttaheck on Aug 15, 2017 16:58:31 GMT
Bravo.
Akins - coin in spittoon ! What could be better villain-wise ?
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Post by poelzig on Aug 16, 2017 8:09:29 GMT
Rio Bravo. Even though Caan is infinitely better than Nelson and Mitchum gets a slight nod over Dino it all comes down to Stumpy. Walter Brennan is the man. Also whoever referred to Angie Dickinson as just a girl next door is crazy. She was hot as hell in this.
They are both great though.
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Post by pippinmaniac on Aug 25, 2017 2:18:56 GMT
Rio Bravo
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Aug 25, 2017 20:18:55 GMT
I love both movies. But if I have to pick one then I prefer El Dorado. The acting and chemistry between the characters is just better.
BTW El Dorado is NOT a remake of Rio Bravo! Just because they share certain tropes does not mean it is a remake.
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Post by Richard Kimble on Sept 7, 2017 11:03:25 GMT
I've never really cared for Rio BravoBTW El Dorado is NOT a remake of Rio Bravo! Just because they share certain tropes does not mean it is a remake. It's a remake and Rio Lobo is a half remake
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Sept 7, 2017 15:12:43 GMT
I've never really cared for Rio BravoBTW El Dorado is NOT a remake of Rio Bravo! Just because they share certain tropes does not mean it is a remake. It's a remake and Rio Lobo is a half remake We can agree to disagree. But I would like to know how you define a half remake.
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Post by leesilm on Dec 2, 2017 4:01:16 GMT
Over the mountains of the moon, down the valley of the shadow. Ride, boldly ride, in search of El Dorado.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 3, 2017 5:06:51 GMT
Rio Bravo
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Dec 3, 2017 22:06:22 GMT
Rio Bravo.
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Post by leesilm on Dec 4, 2017 1:24:45 GMT
Does anyone remember the third basically-the-same-plot one, Rio Lobo?
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Post by BATouttaheck on Dec 4, 2017 7:37:27 GMT
FilmFlaneurPerhaps a good poll would be to ask opinions on whether or not these three films are actually remakes of each other.
My vote would be NO WAY !
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Post by leesilm on Dec 6, 2017 6:36:17 GMT
One of those film buffs on the Turner Classic/etc. type channels, commented once that these two movies (plus Rio Lobo) were attempts to make the same movie- but each time they were trying to make it better. I don't know if it was true or not, although it was an interesting idea. Kind'a like remakes today, where they reboot franchises every 4-7 years and remake movies every 9-15.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Dec 8, 2017 22:29:33 GMT
FilmFlaneur Perhaps a good poll would be to ask opinions on whether or not these three films are actually remakes of each other.
My vote would be NO WAY ! Thank you. These movies are not remakes. The stories and characters are different. They share some common tropes, that is all.
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Post by Marv on Dec 28, 2017 12:08:43 GMT
El Dorado I enjoyed more.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jan 5, 2018 15:01:54 GMT
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jan 10, 2018 12:15:56 GMT
Robin Wood wrote a short book-length critical appraisal of Rio Bravo a few years back for the British Film Institute.
Here's a review of that work by me, revised from elsewhere, which seems relevant here:
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