Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 20:57:22 GMT
In the last several years there has been an ongoing flame war between Marvel and DC fan users on IMDb, and I don't think it's any secret that it was one of many, many contributing factors to the decision to shut down the forums on that site. So let's all just start new and get along despite our vast difference of opinions about which company is better in terms of comics and/or films. Let's not flood these discussions with "MARVEL IS KIDDIE" or "THE DCEU IS A MONSTROSITY" and just get along. Or else the mods on this site just might have to shut this one down, too.
Moving on, perhaps this very topic can be a place to discuss general "Marvel vs. DC" opinions, but let's keep it civil. Please please please please please.
I'll start. I'm a fan of both companies without much preference to one or the other. As for current films adaptations, for me, it's the Marvel Cinematic Universe, hands down that wins for me. I feel the DC Extended Universe just misses the point of the characters it adapting and is just making them too dark and dreary for my tastes. I haven't liked them much.
How about you? And remember: please be nice. PLEASE.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 21:15:51 GMT
It's fair to say that Marvel has been better at constructing a cohesive cinematic universe. With that said: I prefer the DCU movies. Marvel has a few great standouts, but most of their movies don't warrant more than one viewing. With the DC movies (particularly MoS and the UE of BvS), I feel like they give you more to chew on. They have more replay value (IMO).
Marvel is better at appealing to the masses who just simply want to be entertained for 2 hours. DC is better at appealing to me specifically (who appreciates things like cinematography and score and "grounded" themes). If the Marvel movies are more fun, then the DC movies are more interesting (IMO).
But even I have to admit that the TC of BvS was a mess. The UE fixed most of my issues with it, but they should have never chopped it up in the first place. And I see SS as basically DC's version of a Marvel movie. It's light and fun and generic (and that's not necessarily a bad thing). It ranks among the standard Marvel movies for me. Just popcorn entertainment.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 21:35:07 GMT
In the last several years there has been an ongoing flame war between Marvel and DC fan users on IMDb, and I don't think it's any secret that it was one of many, many contributing factors to the decision to shut down the forums on that site. So let's all just start new and get along despite our vast difference of opinions about which company is better in terms of comics and/or films. Let's not flood these discussions with "MARVEL IS KIDDIE" or "THE DCEU IS A MONSTROSITY" and just get along. Or else the mods on this site just might have to shut this one down, too. Moving on, perhaps this very topic can be a place to discuss general "Marvel vs. DC" opinions, but let's keep it civil. Please please please please please. I'll start. I'm a fan of both companies without much preference to one or the other. As for current films adaptations, for me, it's the Marvel Cinematic Universe, hands down that wins for me. I feel the DC Extended Universe just misses the point of the characters it adapting and is just making them too dark and dreary for my tastes. I haven't liked them much. How about you? And remember: please be nice. PLEASE. I concur! I'm having fun on this site tbh. It's a breath of fresh air and more personal in a way. Not as big and people seem friendly. I'll agree to your accord.
|
|
|
Post by Hauntedknight87 on Feb 5, 2017 22:32:30 GMT
Yeah the Marvel vs DC stuff got ridiculous, but whatever. I just want the film's to be good!
Wonder Woman, Guardians of the Galaxy vol 2, Spider-Man: Homecoming and Justice league look promising so far!
|
|
Slam Evil
Freshman
@slamevil
Posts: 78
Likes: 22
|
Post by Slam Evil on Feb 5, 2017 22:37:20 GMT
Wonder Woman looks like dog shit.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 23:24:13 GMT
@dennis Reynolds: With respects, I think you're selling the MCU films a bit short here. Marvel does focus on being more fun, for sure, but there is still plenty being offered on both thematic and character levels. Character-wise: If you strip away everything concerning superheroes, government conspiracies, and the Accords from the latter "Captain America" films and just leave what's leave going on with Steve and Bucky on a personal level, you get the story of a man whose best friend is in a very bad place in his life. So this man goes out of his way to help his friend and is utterly unwilling to give up on him despite everyone telling him his friend is a lost cause and some are even looking down on him for it. But he persists and gets through to his friend and while there is still a long road ahead for both of them, his compassion and convictions won out. On a thematic level, "Captain America: The Winter Soldier" is basically "Orwell's 1984, starring Captain America." I can go on and on like this with every MCU film. Bottom line, there is still plenty being offered for those who love layered characters and watching themes you never you'd see in a superhero film be explored. @mellomovielover: HEAR HEAR! @ Hauntedknight87 : I agree. I don't care which company makes what film. Just please let it be good! @slam Evil: Let's let the film get released before we make any final judgments. I have my own doubts about the film as well, but at the end of the day, I still haven't seen it.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 23:55:59 GMT
@dennis Reynolds: With respects, I think you're selling the MCU films a bit short here. Marvel does focus on being more fun, for sure, but there is still plenty being offered on both thematic and character levels. Character-wise: If you strip away everything concerning superheroes, government conspiracies, and the Accords from the latter "Captain America" films and just leave what's leave going on with Steve and Bucky on a personal level, you get the story of a man whose best friend is in a very bad place in his life. So this man goes out of his way to help his friend and is utterly unwilling to give up on him despite everyone telling him his friend is a lost cause and some are even looking down on him for it. But he persists and gets through to his friend and while there is still a long road ahead for both of them, his compassion and convictions won out. On a thematic level, "Captain America: The Winter Soldier" is basically "Orwell's 1984, starring Captain America." I can go on and on like this with every MCU film. Bottom line, there is still plenty being offered for those who love layered characters and watching themes you never you'd see in a superhero film be explored. TWS is among the better Marvel films (that I suggested in my original post). But beyond that, there's just not a lot there to chew on or to keep me coming back. The VAST majority of Marvel films are just one-and-done movies (IMO). You don't have to agree.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 0:01:35 GMT
Fair enough. This is pure curiosity, but can you name a way a certain MCU film could have given you more to chew on? I'm not being pushy or anything. I genuinely want to know more about your opinion on the matter.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 0:16:43 GMT
It would help if they didn't try to turn everyone into a quip-machine. It really lowers the stakes when everyone is trying to be the funniest person in the room when bad things are happening.
In MoS and BvS, they're actually dealing with some real world themes (like how the world would react to someone like Superman). In AoU (for example), everyone is just a comedian (and an unfunny one, for the most part).
I don't hate any Marvel movie (though I thought Ant-Man was pretty bad). I just don't think they offer anything other than mindless popcorn entertainment (with a few notable exceptions).
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 0:33:30 GMT
Thank you for going into further detail. If I may offer a response, though:
Soldiers and police in the real world make off-color jokes even during dangerous situations. It's a defensive and relief mechanism.
They deal with real world themes in the MCU as well. In fact, they also dealt with how people would react to superheroes in "Captain America: Civil War", and the story of that film is partially a direct consequence of "Age of Ultron." The events of AoU are a big part of what led to the creation of the Accords and are why Tony Stark is so quick to sign them. The villain is even motivated by revenge for what happened to his family because he blames The Avengers for Ultron. In Ant-Man, they touch on the fact it is very difficult for ex-inmates to get jobs after they're released from prison and often have to turn back to crime to make a living. Though te core of the Ant-Man film is "it is this generation's responsibility to create a better future for our children," which is a very "real world" theme.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 0:38:36 GMT
Thank you for going into further detail. If I may offer a response, though: Soldiers and police in the real world make off-color jokes even during dangerous situations. It's a defensive and relief mechanism. They deal with real world themes in the MCU as well. In fact, they also dealt with how people would react to superheroes in "Captain America: Civil War", and the story of that film is partially a direct consequence of "Age of Ultron." The events of AoU are a big part of what led to the creation of the Accords and are why Tony Stark is so quick to sign them. The villain is even motivated by revenge for what happened to his family because he blames The Avengers for Ultron. In Ant-Man, they touch on the fact it is very difficult for ex-inmates to get jobs after they're released from prison and often have to turn back to crime to make a living. Though te core of the Ant-Man film is "it is this generation's responsibility to create a better future for our children," which is a very "real world" theme. I've heard that "defense" before. Yes, sometimes people can joke in dangerous situations to ease the tension. But it's not even remotely close to how it happens in these Marvel movies, where literally 60% of the dialogue is quips. There is no sense of danger in these movies because no one is taking anything seriously. It's fine if you like the movies (I like most of them too) and don't care about stuff like that. But you're just simply not going to convince me that all of their heroes being quip-machines isn't annoying.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 0:48:22 GMT
It is a legitimate defense for the jokes in the MCU. There have even been studies about this. I can't agree with your assessment at all, and please don't exaggerate the percentage of how many quips are said. Saving Private Ryan, which is hailed as one of the best war movies of all time, has several of its main characters cracking a lot of jokes throughout despite the very dark nature of the film, Edward Burns and Adam Goldberg's characters in particular.
I DO care about stuff like that. I just can't agree that the quips are annoying or lessen the sense the danger.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 0:53:13 GMT
It is a legitimate defense for the jokes in the MCU. There have even been studies about this. I can't agree with your assessment at all, and please don't exaggerate the percentage of how many quips are said. Saving Private Ryan, which is hailed as one of the best war movies of all time, has several of its main characters cracking a lot of jokes throughout despite the very dark nature of the film, Edward Burns and Adam Goldberg's characters in particular. I DO care about stuff like that. I just can't agree that the quips are annoying or lessen the sense the danger. I can promise you that soldiers aren't as quippy as MCU characters when they're in serious danger. And I'm not exaggerating. Rewatch AoU if you don't believe me. At least half of the dialogue is quips. It's distracting. Again, YOU DON'T HAVE TO AGREE. You can still like the Marvel movies (as I do). But this is why the DC/Marvel shit always starts up. People aren't content with letting others have their opinions. They have to try to prove them "wrong" or whatever. This is an issue I have with the Marvel movies. It's not an issue to you. That's fine. We can move on.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 1:04:27 GMT
Yes, you are exaggerating. I have rewatched AoU and I found nothing wrong with the dialogue.
I don't agree with you, and I am going to speak my side of the argument even if you don't want to read it.
Very well, live and let lie if you don't want to talk about this anymore.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 1:06:28 GMT
Yes, you are exaggerating. I have rewatched AoU and I found nothing wrong with the dialogue. I don't agree with you, and I am going to speak my side of the argument even if you don't want to read it. Very well, live and let lie if you don't want to talk about this anymore. I found the constant quips to be annoying. That's my side of the argument. And I know several MCU fans who agree with that assessment. Doesn't mean the movie is bad though. So don't let this upset you. Just be cool with differing opinions and all will be fine.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 1:10:01 GMT
And I know several MCU fans who disagree with that assessment.
I am cool with differing opinions. I just felt you were selling the MCU short and I argued my case.
|
|
|
Post by brownstones on Feb 6, 2017 2:12:36 GMT
I like them both..........except for The Incredible Hulk, Thor 2 and Antman......
The end.
|
|
|
Post by miike80 on Feb 6, 2017 14:55:57 GMT
Yes, you are exaggerating. I have rewatched AoU and I found nothing wrong with the dialogue. I don't agree with you, and I am going to speak my side of the argument even if you don't want to read it. Very well, live and let lie if you don't want to talk about this anymore. I found the constant quips to be annoying. That's my side of the argument. And I know several MCU fans who agree with that assessment. Doesn't mean the movie is bad though. So don't let this upset you. Just be cool with differing opinions and all will be fine. Tbh, I find the " humor" in Antman to be unbearable, and I cannot put myself to watch it again. It almost ruined Dr.Strange too, and I'm guessing it will be the same for the following Marvel movies ( well, for Gotg it's welcomed) I also find the EC of BVS vastly superior to the theatrical version( I didn't hate that either, but there were too many issues). But I have to admit, just like with Antman I haven't had a single laugh during Suicide Squad.
Let's hope here we can have a more civil discussion than it was on IMDB boards, I'm tired of " Marvel is kiddie" " DCEU is trash"
Have a good day
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 15:22:13 GMT
I found the constant quips to be annoying. That's my side of the argument. And I know several MCU fans who agree with that assessment. Doesn't mean the movie is bad though. So don't let this upset you. Just be cool with differing opinions and all will be fine. Tbh, I find the " humor" in Antman to be unbearable, and I cannot put myself to watch it again. It almost ruined Dr.Strange too, and I'm guessing it will be the same for the following Marvel movies ( well, for Gotg it's welcomed) I also find the EC of BVS vastly superior to the theatrical version( I didn't hate that either, but there were too many issues). But I have to admit, just like with Antman I haven't had a single laugh during Suicide Squad.
Let's hope here we can have a more civil discussion than it was on IMDB boards, I'm tired of " Marvel is kiddie" " DCEU is trash"
Have a good day
Agreed. Almost none of the humor landed for me in Ant-Man. It all felt so goddamn forced. It felt like people were laughing because it was "supposed" to be funny rather than it actually being funny.
|
|
|
Post by miike80 on Feb 6, 2017 15:24:05 GMT
Tbh, I find the " humor" in Antman to be unbearable, and I cannot put myself to watch it again. It almost ruined Dr.Strange too, and I'm guessing it will be the same for the following Marvel movies ( well, for Gotg it's welcomed) I also find the EC of BVS vastly superior to the theatrical version( I didn't hate that either, but there were too many issues). But I have to admit, just like with Antman I haven't had a single laugh during Suicide Squad.
Let's hope here we can have a more civil discussion than it was on IMDB boards, I'm tired of " Marvel is kiddie" " DCEU is trash"
Have a good day
Agreed. Almost none of the humor landed for me in Ant-Man. It all felt so goddamn forced. It felt like people were laughing because it was "supposed" to be funny rather than it actually being funny. Maybe they should have used a " laugh track"
|
|