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Post by Cinemachinery on Aug 14, 2017 19:35:43 GMT
Dude you were insisting we'd need "tomorrow's paper" and "investigations" well after this stuff was all released. You literally didn't read a damn thing about the guy before blowing the "we can't know" horn. Transparent. Where's the jokes, man? Manchester was jooOooOooOkes. White supremacist plows into car and it's suddenly a thoughtful call for "wait and see! maybe mental health!". Such a quick change! Mighty alt-white of you. Yup. A cnt you are.. and a cnt you will always be. The inability to spin it as all the answer needed.
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Post by thorshairspray on Aug 14, 2017 20:24:43 GMT
Serious question. Has the President condemned every protest thus far? No idea, man. Like... Women's March? Trans Ban protest? I seriously doubt it. Most don't end with cars plowing through crowds. Serious statement, though: Did Trump directly encourage and even praise this type of stuff in his own stump speeches? Hell yes he did. www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6PFZNruJes
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Post by thorshairspray on Aug 14, 2017 20:32:42 GMT
To be fair, do you think unchecked and un policed Antifa violence has anything to do with this? Antifa protesters have been arrested in many, many, many demonstrations. 'Cops just let this happen" has been grasped at by either side as a banner, but the aftermath hasn't really born that out. (Not to say both sides haven't gotten away with violence when the police turn their heads.) The Charlotsville PD isn't exactly equipped to handle stuff on that scale. I'm sure many punches were thrown. If you're asking if the guy plowed the car into the counter-protesters because of "unpolice anitfa violence", then, no, I don't think either events or the moment it happened bore that out. We both know that there are multiple videos and testimonies online of the police doing nothing in the face of violence. We both know there are stories of the police being told to stand down in the face of left wing violence. This has happened in Europe as well. We've seen the organisers of Antifa calling for violence. We've seen people attacked. You know the reach social and alternate media has. You see the clip of Cenk Uger saying white people would become a minority in the US and the audience cheering? One video on YouTube has 750,000 views. Did we expect the right wing to do nothing?
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Post by Cinemachinery on Aug 14, 2017 21:03:16 GMT
Antifa protesters have been arrested in many, many, many demonstrations. 'Cops just let this happen" has been grasped at by either side as a banner, but the aftermath hasn't really born that out. (Not to say both sides haven't gotten away with violence when the police turn their heads.) The Charlotsville PD isn't exactly equipped to handle stuff on that scale. I'm sure many punches were thrown. If you're asking if the guy plowed the car into the counter-protesters because of "unpolice anitfa violence", then, no, I don't think either events or the moment it happened bore that out. We both know that there are multiple videos and testimonies online of the police doing nothing in the face of violence. We both know there are stories of the police being told to stand down in the face of left wing violence. This has happened in Europe as well. We've seen the organisers of Antifa calling for violence. We've seen people attacked. You know the reach social and alternate media has. You see the clip of Cenk Uger saying white people would become a minority in the US and the audience cheering? One video on YouTube has 750,000 views. Did we expect the right wing to do nothing? I would expect enraged demonstrators to throw an elbow where they can - not exactly a new thing. I wouldn't expect either side to suddenly drive a 2 ton vehicle into a crowd over that factor. Nor would I expect anyone to cite those instances with a "Whaddaya expect?" There's punches and then there's attempted mass murderer. You're dancing close to apologist. (Also, let's not do the "right wing" the disservice of lumping them in with their radicalized, violent extreme end. The vast majority of "right wingers" don't really see a history of police looking the other way for either side as a good case for running people down. They "didn't expect" that.)
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Post by Cinemachinery on Aug 14, 2017 21:06:57 GMT
No idea, man. Like... Women's March? Trans Ban protest? I seriously doubt it. Most don't end with cars plowing through crowds. Serious statement, though: Did Trump directly encourage and even praise this type of stuff in his own stump speeches? Hell yes he did. www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6PFZNruJesMight have sold better if it hadn't taken direct public pressure from multiple senators and reps, even from his own party, to make him do so. Or maybe if it didn't come after his original, watery take saw the leader of Stormfront crowing about is tacit acceptance of their actions. The man didn't spend months getting votes by telling his crowds how black protesters "are so bad for this country, folks" and "they used to get hurt for this" only to want to turn around and edge out the same voter block he courted. Took some pressure. Glad he caved, though.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 14, 2017 21:27:29 GMT
Might have sold better if it hadn't taken direct public pressure from multiple senators and reps, even from his own party, to make him do so. Or maybe if it didn't come after his original, watery take saw the leader of Stormfront crowing about is tacit acceptance of their actions. The man didn't spend months getting votes by telling his crowds how black protesters "are so bad for this country, folks" and "they used to get hurt for this" only to want to turn around and edge out the same voter block he courted. Took some pressure. Glad he caved, though. How did he "cave," Mr. Propagandist?
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Post by Cinemachinery on Aug 14, 2017 21:41:59 GMT
Might have sold better if it hadn't taken direct public pressure from multiple senators and reps, even from his own party, to make him do so. Or maybe if it didn't come after his original, watery take saw the leader of Stormfront crowing about is tacit acceptance of their actions. The man didn't spend months getting votes by telling his crowds how black protesters "are so bad for this country, folks" and "they used to get hurt for this" only to want to turn around and edge out the same voter block he courted. Took some pressure. Glad he caved, though. How did he "cave," Mr. Propagandist? Re-read the paragraph slowly.
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Post by gadreel on Aug 14, 2017 21:48:26 GMT
How did he "cave," Mr. Propagandist? Re-read the paragraph slowly. You claim you don't believe in religion, but you ask for a miracle? For Erjen to actually read what he replies to and respond on topic?? That might be proof of God.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Aug 14, 2017 21:52:41 GMT
Re-read the paragraph slowly. You claim you don't believe in religion, but you ask for a miracle? He's smarting over the failure of his "Then Obama's missteps are your own!" device. Truth be told, if the man "can't see" playing to white nationalism in a candidate telling a room for of 99% white folks how black protesters are "so bad for their country" and how they "used to get hurt for this", then there's little hope of him understanding the fact that Trump didn't actually condemn the supremacists until after he received push back from his own party. Hell, the man can't even own his own vote. Hillary may as well have punched the chad for him. Her fault!
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 14, 2017 22:28:53 GMT
How did he "cave," Mr. Propagandist? Re-read the paragraph slowly. I read it the first time, Mr. Propagandist. What about the President's speech today did you find unacceptable?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 22:29:18 GMT
Dude, we could post an article on exotic squirrels having babies at the local zoo and you'd try to find away to steer it into your dreams of oppression. You voted for the guy, you tell us. No, I voted against the bitch. No, you didn't.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 14, 2017 22:30:21 GMT
No, I voted against the bitch. No, you didn't. I most certainly did.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Aug 14, 2017 22:34:37 GMT
Re-read the paragraph slowly. I read it the first time Then your reading comprehension is poor. Sorry, but when it's noted he didn't offer the statement on the tragedy until AFTER multiple parties pressed him publicly and you ask where he's "caving", it looks either dim or deliberate. "Unacceptable?" Nothing. The timing is telling, though. Didn't want to cheese off his supremacist votes.
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Post by gadreel on Aug 14, 2017 22:36:09 GMT
Re-read the paragraph slowly. I read it the first time, Mr. Propagandist. What about the President's speech today did you find unacceptable? He means read it and understand it, this is the reason you had such difficulty with my post the other day.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Aug 14, 2017 22:38:05 GMT
No, I voted against the bitch. No, you didn't. He's only talking about the initial election for republican platform. He voted pro-Trump in the actual election. The word-juggling going on here to void himself of his Trumpery is like a beautiful, drunken dance. Can't blame him, really. Would you want to own this crap?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 14, 2017 22:39:31 GMT
Then your reading comprehension is poor. Sorry, but when it's noted he didn't offer the statement on the tragedy until AFTER multiple parties pressed him publicly and you ask where he's "caving", it looks either dim or deliberate. "Unacceptable?" Nothing. The timing is telling, though. Didn't want to cheese off his supremacist votes. The timing is neither here nor there. Did you find anything in the speech to dispute?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 22:51:07 GMT
Nope. The US political system does not allow one to vote against anybody.
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Post by gadreel on Aug 14, 2017 22:57:39 GMT
Then your reading comprehension is poor. Sorry, but when it's noted he didn't offer the statement on the tragedy until AFTER multiple parties pressed him publicly and you ask where he's "caving", it looks either dim or deliberate. "Unacceptable?" Nothing. The timing is telling, though. Didn't want to cheese off his supremacist votes. The timing is neither here nor there. Did you find anything in the speech to dispute? Proof incontrovertible. Once again someone has answered your question but because you don't like the answer, you avoid the point they made and ask the question again. is this more of your trying to get a raise out of people or do you expect us to believe that this level of dishonesty is typical of the correct sort of Christianity that you represent.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 14, 2017 23:03:02 GMT
The timing is neither here nor there. Did you find anything in the speech to dispute? Proof incontrovertible. Once again someone has answered your question but because you don't like the answer, you avoid the point they made and ask the question again. is this more of your trying to get a raise out of people or do you expect us to believe that this level of dishonesty is typical of the correct sort of Christianity that you represent. Is your name Cinemachinery?
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Post by gadreel on Aug 14, 2017 23:04:50 GMT
Proof incontrovertible. Once again someone has answered your question but because you don't like the answer, you avoid the point they made and ask the question again. is this more of your trying to get a raise out of people or do you expect us to believe that this level of dishonesty is typical of the correct sort of Christianity that you represent. Is your name Cinemachinery? Is your name does not understand public message boards? I find your response hilarious given how many time you have had to have maya swoop in and protect you from the nasty words.
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