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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 2:59:22 GMT
I haven't seen any of these movies. La La Land had more wins, including director. So help me understand why Moonlight won Best Picture. Your thoughts?
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Post by bd74 on Feb 28, 2017 3:11:09 GMT
Moonlight's win makes absolutely no sense to me, other than it being a political win. The Academy wanted to make a societal statement by crowning Moonlight as the Best Picture. Look at the precursor awards that La La Land won in the weeks leading up to the Oscars: The producers' guild award The directors' guild award The British academy award for best film The golden globe for a comedy/musical film
Whereas Moonlight only won the golden globe for a drama film and that's it. So, for Moonlight to have bested La La Land which was the clear frontrunner just does not make sense. I don't know if there was ever a situation like this, where the movie that won just the golden globe for drama without winning any other precursor ended up winning Best Picture. If there ever was a case like this, it must've been many years ago.
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Post by darkpast on Feb 28, 2017 3:53:17 GMT
White Guilt, Fake Outrage from OscarsSoWhite, LLL is Overrated
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Post by Moviefan on Feb 28, 2017 4:07:03 GMT
Moonlight is a better film. The performances, screenplay and direction are better than La La Land's. Moonlight had more of an emotional impact on audiences and is a more powerful film with substance. La La Land is enjoyable, but doesn't have the same power and impact as Moonlight.
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Post by flasuss on Feb 28, 2017 4:12:53 GMT
The real reason was preferential voting.
There's simply no chance that La La Land wasn't the most voted movie in the first ballot and would win in the old system.
However, with preferential voting, Moonlight got more #2 and #3 votes from fans of other movies- I'm guessing fans from Arrival, Hell or High Water or Manchester By The Sea saw it as too light, while fans from movies like Hidden Figures, Fences, Lion, etc, like the fact it showcased minorities and social issues.
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Post by mslo79 on Feb 28, 2017 7:14:43 GMT
It's obviously politics with all of that #OscarsSoWhite liberal BS.
but like i said before... i would rather earn the Oscar straight up then basically tell people to give it to you because your a minority and you basically demand it, which is what they did. but i guess if they view Oscars not so much as in pride for the award but more from a $$$ perspective i can see their reasoning there as from some article i read recently it appears those who win awards generally helps their $$$/career.
also, it's natural for awards to largely go to white people since when you look at decent name movies as a whole they are dominated by white people so just looking at pure math it says white people are going to win a large portion of the time. it's like if the situation were reversed and blacks were the majority and whites were the minority then naturally blacks would win a large portion of the time. so when they pretty much tell the academy to give them more awards it just lowers the worth of those awards. but like i mentioned above it could primarily be a $$$/career thing more than anything else and in this regard they don't have much to lose by pretty much demanding blacks (or minorities) get more awards but in terms of the award itself being of any real worth, it's now worth much less simply because you did not win it straight up like and it was obviously because of all of the drama around #OscarsSoWhite. even if black wins are legit, just because that OscarsSoWhite BS, it's going to taint the awards as many are going to assume it's political. hence, the awards themselves are worth less since it's not viewed as a legitimate win by many.
with all of that said... i am sure there are many average people that genuinely like Moonlight more than La La Land and that's fine but you can see my point there above as i think it's a pretty good one.
p.s. for the record... i have not seen Moonlight or La La Land but ill probably take a chance on La La Land as i typically avoid musicals like the plague as when Musicals tend to have a lot of sung dialog etc that gets boring very fast. also, i am willing to bet that Musicals in general are THE most all around disliked genre (or very close to that) amongst us a wider range of males.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 7:21:51 GMT
I haven't seen any of these movies. La La Land had more wins, including director. So help me understand why Moonlight won Best Picture. Your thoughts? The decision is in the hands of experts in the field who include actors and scientists. When I don't presume that the wrong movie, actor, or technician wins an Oscar and instead pay close attention to the movies themselves I usually decide that no mistake was made in the rewarding.
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Post by ashverses on Feb 28, 2017 13:59:29 GMT
Honest Trailers does a good job in explaining why films get nominated and win.
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Post by bd74 on Feb 28, 2017 18:33:06 GMT
I haven't seen any of these movies. La La Land had more wins, including director. So help me understand why Moonlight won Best Picture. Your thoughts? The decision is in the hands of experts in the field who include actors and scientists. When I don't presume that the wrong movie, actor, or technician wins an Oscar and instead pay close attention to the movies themselves I usually decide that no mistake was made in the rewarding. There is no genuinely "best" movie or performance because "best" cannot be measured. It is entirely subjective, and in some instances, votes are based on reasons other than merit, such as straight-ticket voting or as in the case of the director Terry Gilliam who once admitted to voting for his friends.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 0:55:12 GMT
Thank you for all your input. I suppose there are so many variables involved. I'm sure I would have blurted out La La Land as Best Picture, if I stood on that stage.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 1:01:09 GMT
The decision is in the hands of experts in the field who include actors and scientists. When I don't presume that the wrong movie, actor, or technician wins an Oscar and instead pay close attention to the movies themselves I usually decide that no mistake was made in the rewarding. There is no genuinely "best" movie or performance because "best" cannot be measured. It is entirely subjective, and in some instances, votes are based on reasons other than merit, such as straight-ticket voting or as in the case of the director Terry Gilliam who once admitted to voting for his friends. The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences consists of many conscientious people, enough to expect fairness and non-biased voting. Consequently, I disagree that best cannot be measured though I believe it's at times a very hard measure for any group to be certain of.
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Post by cineastewest on Mar 1, 2017 2:43:03 GMT
Hey "Moonlight" had me empathizing with a gay black kid, so that was an eye-opener. Chazelle, sorry there mate!
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Post by lukelovesfilm34 on Mar 1, 2017 7:42:47 GMT
Why didn't Hacksaw Ridge win? Its themes are far more universal and timeless, and therefore far more important.
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Post by mslo79 on Mar 1, 2017 7:45:06 GMT
Toasted CheeseYou can't make sense of what i said? i can't be all that much clearer. it's just a simple math thing... if your race is the dominate race, like white people are in movies, then naturally they are going to win the vast majority of awards. surely this much makes sense to you, right? ; so if your following my logic so far... then ill also add this, so if suddenly if blacks (or other minorities) start winning quite a bit more awards (like what appears to be happening with that #OscarsSoWhite BS not long ago now) then it surely suggest it's more political than a legit win. which basically makes those awards worth less because of it. even if you disagree with that... surely, you can see why i said it though as it's not hard to reason that out.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 11:16:25 GMT
So the SJWs can stop whining and give us some peace obviously. This is the first time I can remember a big Hollywood-set film that was heavy favourite being beaten out.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 11:23:38 GMT
I've not seen Moonlight yet, but I've heard differing views from "masterpiece" to "dull and empty". One thing I've noticed is critics raving about it, never talk about the story or the acting, just that it's more "relevant and needed". Which leads me to believe it won for ticking two pc boxes. The Oscars must be a celebration of filmmaking, not a pc agenda event.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 11:39:05 GMT
So the SJWs can stop whining and give us some peace obviously. This is the first time I can remember a big Hollywood-set film that was heavy favourite being beaten out. It's because they latch onto what they feel is politically correct and trendy and were afraid of being labelled racist and biased and worry about what others might think of them. If Moonlight was the best picture of the year, I'd hate to see the worst. There were far better choices than either Moonlight or La La Land and I'm sure plenty of un-nominated ones too. I'd liked to have seen Hell or High Water win of the nominees, as it was the least "Oscar bait" and wasn't released at the end of the year to win awards. The Oscars should show some balls and give Best Picture to a film that wasn't released in December for a change, the big studios are playing them off.
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Post by dimaggio on Mar 1, 2017 16:47:23 GMT
6 Oscars is also good.
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Post by bd74 on Mar 1, 2017 18:57:42 GMT
I've not seen Moonlight yet, but I've heard differing views from "masterpiece" to "dull and empty". One thing I've noticed is critics raving about it, never talk about the story or the acting, just that it's more "relevant and needed". Which leads me to believe it won for ticking two pc boxes. The Oscars must be a celebration of filmmaking, not a pc agenda event. I have watched every Oscar telecast since 1989 but now I don't think I will bother to watch the Oscars from this point on. It used to be about celebrating quality in film. But nowadays, it's all about making a statement, political or otherwise. If you look at the Best Picture winners from the past, they were mainly grand-scale epics or serious dramas. The quality of Best Picture winners has gone down drastically over the years. edited to add: I almost forgot to say, I really like this forum's no-bullshit approach to things. On the other movie awards forum, the people there are mainly young and idealistic, and it's likely that they would accuse people of being "racist" for even bringing up the whole politics/sjw thing, whereas here we can talk about things openly with no problem. So that's cool.
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Post by amygaipaboy on Mar 2, 2017 5:13:52 GMT
Moonlight won on merit. It is the better film.
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