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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 4:07:24 GMT
...going to stop being a disgrace to the X-Men? They were never that good to begin with, focusing only on Wolverine and casting everyone else to the side. Even in "Apocalypse", we have to take a useless roadtrip to Stryker's digs just to get that Wolverine cameo in. They could have cut that and lost NOTHING from the script.
What's worse is they keep recycling of the X-Men 2 plot where Magneto allies with the X-Men for a villain (Stryker, Shaw, Sentinels) then turns against them for the end (until Apocalypse where Magneto was turned "good" again by the lamest speech about family ever committed to film). It is so predictable, I just stopped caring. Plus, they should have gotten to Apocalypse a long time ago and moved on to aliens like Shiar years ago.
Another problem is they aren't evolving like the MCU. Fox and Singer don't have a team to work on these films and it shows. Each film is treated like a "What's next" instead of a "previously on". They had the chance to get their act together with "First Class" and then flushed it down the toilet again with DOFP.
These films are a train wreck. The first trilogy I can give them a pass, because they were made during a period when Comic Book films weren't highly respected, and Fox was more into trying to make the films into realistic science fiction... unfortunately. If you've ever read "Watchmen" and actually paid attention to what Alan Moore was saying with that story, you'd know that comic books and real life do not mix.
This "IT NEEDS TO BE HYPERREALISTIC" mentality is what led to the Phoenix being watered down. They lacked the guts to deal with cosmic elements. Why use "The Cure", a completely separate storyline, is beyond me.
Bryan Singer directed the first two, and then left the franchise for nearly a decade before returning. During his absence was when things got really bad, and yet his return has not seen the reparation of the franchise. Fox rejected the idea of a full reboot like "First Class" was going to do and screwed it all up again. So now they're still stuck with a lot of the old baggage. Thanks, Fox.[/sarcasm] Thank you for turning this franchise into a hot mess, leading to the embarrassing under-performance and critical roasting of "Apocalypse". You could have fixed this. You didn't. Instead, the only real success everyone can get behind is a film you had no faith in: Deadpool, which was made because you paid it no attention, thinking it the fun little diversion while the main franchise would be the real show. Oh, the irony.
Hand the rights over to Marvel. Let them fix the X-Men.
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Post by politicidal on Aug 20, 2017 12:48:17 GMT
I gotta ask, are you Bob Chipman in disguise?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 18:49:48 GMT
I gotta ask, are you Bob Chipman in disguise? No, but we are both very, very tired of the X-Men film franchise floundering. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 20, 2017 22:20:34 GMT
Oh, for the love of...
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Post by Jedan Archer on Aug 21, 2017 12:37:23 GMT
My thoughts exactly. Asking to bring the X-Men back into MCU is like the concentration camp guards asking Magneto and the other escaped prisoners to come back into the camp because they will not be treated properly out there. When I weigh Logan and Deadpool against Homecoming or RaccoonTurd2 I personally know what to answer.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 21, 2017 12:47:11 GMT
My thoughts exactly. Asking to bring the X-Men back into MCU is like the concentration camp guards asking Magneto and the other escaped prisoners to come back into the camp because they will not be treated properly out there. When I weigh Logan and Deadpool against Homecoming or RaccoonTurd2 I personally know what to answer.
Logan got an easy treatment from audiences and critics because it was Jackman's swan song as the character and because they killed him at the end. Deadpool IS an MCU movie in every way except it had more blood and skin. The MCU would treat the X-Men and their story better than just falling back on the Phoenix or Xavier and Magneto. |
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Post by Jedan Archer on Aug 21, 2017 13:36:05 GMT
My thoughts exactly. Asking to bring the X-Men back into MCU is like the concentration camp guards asking Magneto and the other escaped prisoners to come back into the camp because they will not be treated properly out there. When I weigh Logan and Deadpool against Homecoming or RaccoonTurd2 I personally know what to answer.
Logan got an easy treatment from audiences and critics because it was Jackman's swan song as the character and because they killed him at the end.
Wait what? Swan song does not say something about quality or appreciation, the last chapters in a franchise are usually considered as being weaker. Logan goes against that trend. With your arguments you are essentially shifting quality focus, saying Logan not just got high praise (top 3 reviewed, top earner despite being R-rated) because of Logan but because of the good faith and quality credit accumulated by the earlier films. Im Ok with this, it was one of the big iconic genre performances of the last decades after all.
Whatever I do not care about Jackman or if he returns in some form for some buck sometime, but the Logan movie was first class, no pun.
This might very well explain why I did not really like it except for the blood and skin. There is a reason why, because these are the central, interesting characters while the others are essentially support fodder. Was true with the comics and shows and still holds true with the films. Fox just worked out the crown jewels and cut out the BS. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 22, 2017 0:17:21 GMT
Logan got an easy treatment from audiences and critics because it was Jackman's swan song as the character and because they killed him at the end.
Wait what? Swan song does not say something about quality or appreciation, the last chapters in a franchise are usually considered as being weaker. Logan goes against that trend. With your arguments you are essentially shifting quality focus, saying Logan not just got high praise (top 3 reviewed, top earner despite being R-rated) because of Logan but because of the good faith and quality credit accumulated by the earlier films. Im Ok with this, it was one of the big iconic genre performances of the last decades after all.
Whatever I do not care about Jackman or if he returns in some form for some buck sometime, but the Logan movie was first class, no pun.
This might very well explain why I did not really like it except for the blood and skin. There is a reason why, because these are the central, interesting characters while the others are essentially support fodder. Was true with the comics and shows and still holds true with the films. Fox just worked out the crown jewels and cut out the BS. Last chapters aren't always seen that way, and yes critics do go easier on Swan Song Performances. Take away Jackman saying this was his last time as Logan, take away that they killed him and Xavier off, and the rating would be lower. If all you have is skin and gore, then you don't have much. No, there are plenty of other interesting characters. It's just that the people in charge have no interest in exploring them or making the stories about them. There have been plenty of times that X-Men was without Xavier and Magneto and they did just fine. It's laziness. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 0:24:11 GMT
Jedan Archer: You ARE aware that Marvel is the one that created Wolverine and Deadpool to begin with, right? They're the ones who created the material your oh so precious Deadpool and Logan are based on. Typical prequel-loving idiot.
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Post by Jedan Archer on Aug 22, 2017 9:54:19 GMT
I AM.
They're the ones who created the material your oh so precious Deadpool and Logan are based on.That follows. But I do not hold Deadpool precious, he's just OK.
That's a non sequitur. Did you ever hear the story of the art critic Camille Paglia? I guess not, it's not a story a prequel hater would tell.
Noted art critic Camille Paglia in her book Glittering Images and interviews, inter alia, called George Lucas’ final Star Wars prequel Revenge of the Sith the greatest work of art of the past 30 years. This is based on the inherent dystopian downfall of society motives unique to these movies.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 23, 2017 13:35:10 GMT
I gotta ask, are you Bob Chipman in disguise? No, but we are both very, very tired of the X-Men film franchise floundering. I have to agree. I was a huge fan of X1 and X2, and while some of the ones since have been alright, I've had no connection to them and just don't care at this point.
No more of this "figure out what the next film as we go" crap
The only way to get me back into it would be to make a completely fresh start with a committed long term direction.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Aug 23, 2017 14:33:13 GMT
I think more often than not, that's becoming the problem. Studios become so focused on the long term, they don't think about making a good movie first. They just think about making a first movie.
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Post by politicidal on Aug 23, 2017 15:20:22 GMT
I think more often than not, that's becoming the problem. Studios become so focused on the long term, they don't think about making a good movie first. They just think about making a first movie. The double edged sword with shared universes. Even Marvel is beginning to buckle. |
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Post by PreachCaleb on Aug 23, 2017 15:31:06 GMT
One of the reasons I'll be done with the MCU after Infinity War.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2017 17:32:57 GMT
I think more often than not, that's becoming the problem. Studios become so focused on the long term, they don't think about making a good movie first. They just think about making a first movie. The double edged sword with shared universes. Even Marvel is beginning to buckle. No, they're not. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2017 17:41:20 GMT
One of the reasons I'll be done with the MCU after Infinity War. No, you'll be in line to see to see the next one after that. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2017 17:47:17 GMT
I think more often than not, that's becoming the problem. Studios become so focused on the long term, they don't think about making a good movie first. They just think about making a first movie. Its the business of a film adaptation of a long-running comic book series TO think of the long term. |
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Post by PreachCaleb on Aug 23, 2017 18:10:16 GMT
One of the reasons I'll be done with the MCU after Infinity War. No, you'll be in line to see to see the next one after that. Oh, no doubt. But not at full price. I'll wait for it to come to the $1 theater or Netflix. Plus, I'm not going to be buying the blu-rays any longer. The collection will be complete with Infinity War Part 2. |
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Post by PreachCaleb on Aug 23, 2017 18:11:27 GMT
I think more often than not, that's becoming the problem. Studios become so focused on the long term, they don't think about making a good movie first. They just think about making a first movie. Its the business of a film adaptation of a long-running comic book series TO think of the long term. Sadly, that's why Man of Steel and even Batman vs Superman were weak entries. The focus was on the next big team up, rather than a strong opening salvo. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2017 18:17:37 GMT
Its the business of a film adaptation of a long-running comic book series TO think of the long term. Sadly, that's why Man of Steel and even Batman vs Superman were weak entries. The focus was on the next big team up, rather than a strong opening salvo. So they're only allowed to do one or the other? Marvel made their long form film plan work, and the X-Men and DC films have no excuse not to be able to do that as well. They have to think of BOTH. Just because a lot of franchises have approached the cinematic universe in a wrong-headed way doesn't mean it should never be attempted again. |
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