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Post by The Lost One on Aug 30, 2017 13:16:46 GMT
Well?
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Post by MiketheMechanic on Sept 5, 2017 2:44:59 GMT
I voted for NO, for dealing with different issues. I could have also voted they make LGB look bad as well, but simply because T is not a sexuality, although Transgendered people will come with a sexuality before they alter\mutilate themselves and become a fake gender. They then claim they are straight. Perhaps they fit more into the straight community than homos do. Trans people have their own special issues to deal with and that is one of self-loathing of the body they are born into— this is not the same for gay males, who love their gender and others that share the same tackle—and also a narcissistic personality disorder. Naval gazing as I read one poster so succinctly put it. I voted yes because even though we all have different issues, we are part of the same community. Reminder: not all trans people have the same special issues, including those of self-loathing of the body. Same goes for gay males, not all love their gender.
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Post by The Lost One on Sept 5, 2017 10:43:08 GMT
Post this on the politics board. You may get more responses, unless you were just after some stats. At any rate, you would get a bigger surge. I was interested to know what the lgb community specifically thought. But be my guest if you'd like to copy it and post it in the politics board.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Sept 5, 2017 10:52:10 GMT
There aren't correct answers to questions like this. It's simply a matter of how someone wants to think about it, what categorizations they want to use, etc.
Of course, there can be categorizations that make sense to others or not, but that doesn't make them objectively right or wrong.
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Post by The Lost One on Sept 5, 2017 11:32:42 GMT
There aren't correct answers to questions like this. It's simply a matter of how someone wants to think about it, what categorizations they want to use, etc. Of course, there can be categorizations that make sense to others or not, but that doesn't make them objectively right or wrong. Sure, but I'm trying to gauge opinions, not facts.
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Post by MiketheMechanic on Sept 6, 2017 1:07:38 GMT
I voted yes because even though we all have different issues, we are part of the same community. Reminder: not all trans people have the same special issues, including those of self-loathing of the body. Same goes for gay males, not all love their gender. Transsexual IS NOT a sexuality. It is a scourge on homosexuality and a community in reality, should be a collective whole, including heterosexuals as well. No-one should be compartmentalized. Heteros are the ones doing the breeding and creating both homo and hetero. People have a hard enough time accepting homosexuality as it is, let alone Trans, that want to change their gender. It is not in the same basket and self-loathing issues about the body are at the forefront of transexualism.
May I ask Mike, are you homosexual?
Yes I am, and yes, to some degree each of us has (differing) self-loathing issues about ourselves yet we are all a part of the same community.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 12:37:42 GMT
According to the Neon Nazis here in Australia Interracial marriages are also a part of it since we are all deviants who are perverting their white culture and society and they are currently campaigning to have a postal plebiscite on our rights for adoption and interracial marriages if they are successful with the 'No' vote for same sex marriages 'cause interracial marriages go against their 'religious freedom' and they claim they should have got to vote on them years ago.
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Post by geezer on Sept 12, 2017 20:18:04 GMT
I have this feeling that the "Trans" community is actually against the gay community. (wanting to change sex to avoid being called gay). Does anyone agree with this?
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Post by shadyvsesham on Sept 12, 2017 21:34:35 GMT
There aren't correct answers to questions like this. It's simply a matter of how someone wants to think about it, what categorizations they want to use, etc. Of course, there can be categorizations that make sense to others or not, but that doesn't make them objectively right or wrong. Why are you doing this to me! I go to other boards, and BOOM, here we go again, I have to agree with you again!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 6:46:16 GMT
According to the Neon Nazis here in Australia Interracial marriages are also a part of it since we are all deviants who are perverting their white culture and society and they are currently campaigning to have a postal plebiscite on our rights for adoption and interracial marriages if they are successful with the 'No' vote for same sex marriages 'cause interracial marriages go against their 'religious freedom' and they claim they should have got to vote on them years ago. All this postal plebiscite thing is doing, is pitting Australian citizens against each other. It is an absolute waste of time and money, when they cry budget deficit and the $122mill can be put to better use. The result will not be binding in parliament or even legally, and is not going to be reflective of the Australian people, because it is not a compulsory to vote. What if only say 40 to 60% come back in, regardless of the result? It is also showing how bigoted, prejudiced and patronizing the Turnbulls<>t government is towards homosexuals and it is appalling, treating homos as second class tier citizens. If he was really for it, he would be putting it straight to a conscience vote within his own ranks, as that is what THEY get paid to do and they can just get with the times. This is going to Turnkey's folly and I hope he ends up with rotten egg all over his face. Same sex marriage will be a reality in Australia soon, just not this way. I won't be participating at this stage and I hope most other Australian citizens will ignore it too, if they have any integrity. Let Turnkey fall flat on his smug and arrogant backside. You are right. They are treating us as second class citizens and want to control us. The only reason we have the rights to adopt here is 'cause the state governments gave them to us and if the federal government had control over that we wouldn't have them. When John Howard took it upon himself to edit the Marriage Act to be between a man and woman instead of 2 people the exact reasons he did it for was 'cause he say us as "disgusting" and he believed it would stop us from ever having the rights to have children. John Howard not only changed the Marriage Act but he passed laws on it that made it impossible for anybody else to change it except for the government. That is why the high courts can't legalise it here like they did in America and when one the high courts in ACT legalised it the government took it to the higher courts of Australia and reversed it. What some Non Australians aren't aware of is homosexuality was only decriminalised in most of our states here only a few decades ago. Here in New South Wales homosexuality wasn't decriminalised until 1984, in Queensland and Western Australia it wasn't until 1990 and in Tasmania which has long had a reputation for being the most homophobic state in Australia and has the highest rates of violent crimes towards LGBT people it wasn't decriminalised until 1997. We didn't get the rights to adopt here until 2010 and Victoria, Queensland and South Australia only passed them in the last two years.
The reason why the government won't put it to a conscious vote is 'cause the majority of people in the Coalition don't support Marriage Equality and they know the majority of people in the Labor Party and other parties in parliament do and having a conscious vote would see it go through. They have chosen the postal plebiscite 'cause they believe it gives the 'No' supports an advantage and cuts off a lot of Australians from being able to vote including young people who they know have the highest rates of support for 'Marriage Equality.' When this was first talked about a few months ago there were multiple government ministers appearing on Sky News that were talking about the importance of older Australians being able to vote on this and they wanted to make sure that every person living in a nursing home was able to easily have their say and why? 'cause they see old people as the most likely people to vote 'No' and want to rig the vote and to rig it even more they choose the same company who caused the big Census debacle and have a history of screwing up and other parties criticised it but they didn't care. On top of that we have ministers saying they are going to vote it down if yes comes back as the majority and are threatening to have a leadership spill if Malcolm Turnbull legalises Same Sex Marriages. Peta Credlin recently said on Sky News it is the party's policy to vote it down if it comes back with a yes and anybody who doesn't will face consequences and Tony Abbott will challenge Malcolm Turnbull to the leadership so it is unlikely to ever get through under the coalition.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Sept 13, 2017 12:27:56 GMT
There aren't correct answers to questions like this. It's simply a matter of how someone wants to think about it, what categorizations they want to use, etc. Of course, there can be categorizations that make sense to others or not, but that doesn't make them objectively right or wrong.Exactly, therefore it must make them subjective, which means that it is then an abstract. These categorizations are born out of a subjective mind to begin with and then only perceived as being something objective, when it is really all intangible. Is anything really objective, if all thoughts are projections of the illusionary or even delusionary mind? Yes. Most things are objective. It's a toddler-stage mistake to think conflate the world with our thoughts/perception of the world--for example, when a toddler figures that someone disappears because the toddler covers him/herself with a blanket. Some things are mental phenomena only. But most things are not mental phenomena. Obviously we only know about things (I'm thinking primarily of knowledge by acquaintance here) via mental phenomena, but the toddler mistake is to conflate how we know about things with what we know about.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Sept 13, 2017 12:46:09 GMT
Yes. Most things are objective. It's a toddler-stage mistake to think conflate the world with our thoughts/perception of the world--for example, when a toddler figures that someone disappears because the toddler covers him/herself with a blanket. Some things are mental phenomena only. But most things are not mental phenomena. Obviously we only know about things (I'm thinking primarily of knowledge by acquaintance here) via mental phenomena, but the toddler mistake is to conflate how we know about things with what we know about. How are most things objective? Our world IS conflated by our thoughts\perceptions. Everything is born out of mental phenomena. That is why we are here, to begin to realize this. It all begins with the mind, or what we perceive as the mind. If you can't see, touch something, or don't think of somebody, how do you know it\they are real? It is all a program in your mind and where is that? Most the world is stuff like stars and rocky or gaseous planets and dust clouds and the like. Most of it has zilch to do with us or any other animals.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Sept 13, 2017 13:02:29 GMT
Most the world is stuff like stars and rocky or gaseous planets and dust clouds and the like. Most of it has zilch to do with us or any other animals. It ALL has EVERYTHING to do with us. Your notion of compartmentalization is very limiting? You are a musician, an artist, I would think you would be more open minded. Try reaching or digging a little deeper, you may find some wondrous results in your craft and skills. Human-like creatures have only been around for 7 million years or so, and as far as we know, they're confined to one tiny little rock in a HUGE universe, which has been around for at least 13 billion years. Most of that has nothing to do with us. It existed long before we did, and our mentalities are limited to our brains in particular dynamic states, which occupy a relatively miniscule amount of space.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Sept 13, 2017 13:15:22 GMT
Human-like creatures have only been around for 7 million years or so, and as far as we know, they're confined to one tiny little rock in a HUGE universe, which has been around for at least 13 billion years. Most of that has nothing to do with us. It existed long before we did, and our mentalities are limited to our brains in particular dynamic states, which occupy a relatively miniscule amount of space.If you are referring to the present moment, which is all there really is, then you would be correct. However, there is a much larger landscape than the one you see and not just confined to the notion of the physical or objective world. Oh, you occupy so much more, beyond your wildest dreams. Everything on this plane has to do with us. You are you're own master and commander. That is about taking responsibility for our lives and why we are here. Once you see beyond the ego notion of self, there is whole universe just waiting to be explored and it is all connected. I guess in your own time though. The idea of non-physical existents is completely incoherent. There only is the physical world.
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...we have ministers saying they are going to vote it down if yes comes back as the majority and are threatening to have a leadership spill if Malcolm Turnbull legalises Same Sex Marriages. Peta Credlin recently said on Sky News it is the party's policy to vote it down if it comes back with a yes and anybody who doesn't will face consequences and Tony Abbott will challenge Malcolm Turnbull to the leadership so it is unlikely to ever get through under the coalition. Ha! Just received the ballot in the mail today. Haven't opened and not sure how to put it to better use. Perhaps cut it up into squares and use it for TP. Abbott is a clown and I wouldn't worry about him too much. He has just got sour grapes because Turnbull replaced him. He is doing his party more damage than favors, with his attitude and dipsh!t politics and ultra conservative views. That is always the downfall of the extremist right wing views. As if they believe everyone is on the same page or should be. No self-awareness whatsoever! I accidentally wiped out a whole paragraph on my previous post. Did you know when the Postal Plebiscite was first talked about the government said the full compulsory Plebiscite would cost $160 million while the Postal Plebiscite would only cost $40 million? That just seemed to change overnight to $122 million and some experts on Sky News have said there is no way the Postal Plebiscite is going to cost them that much so I guess the real question we seem to have here that the government is trying to sweep under the carpet is what do they plan on doing with the additional $82 million of tax payers' money the High Courts foolishly approved? I mean for all we know this whole thing could just be a cover so Malcolm and his buddies can have a nice big Christmas bonus to spend on themselves and their families - something the state government was famous for doing here under Mike Baird. Malcolm has sold out. For a guy who claimed to be a strong LGBT supporter and LGBT activist he could have easily legalised Same Sex Marriage when he got into power but instead he let other members like Peter Dutton, Scott Morrison and Barnaby Joyce who are all strong 'No' supporters run things but Tony Abbott is to blame too 'cause when Kevin Rudd was running against him a few years ago after he got the leadership back from Julia Gillard he was going to legalise Same Sex Marriage in Australia within one hundred days of being re-elected and after Tony won Rudd asked him publicly to have a good hard think about it and how it was unfair to millions of LGBT Australians and of course, Tony said he would and he actually agreed with him about it being unfair and did nothing.
Tony Abbott is indeed a clown but I have a feeling there will be another Leadership spill at some point and what was funny about Tony losing the leadership to Malcolm Turnball was it was another thing Kevin Rudd wanted to change and he come up with some new rules for parliament that would have made it far more difficult for them to have Leadership spills and Tony publicly acted very interested in them and was going to consider but like Same Sex Marriage he did nothing so when it comes down to it one of the reasons Tony Abbott lost his leadership was 'cause he didn't listen to Kevin Rudd. What makes Abbott such a joke as well is his very own sister is a lesbian and he couldn't even change the laws for her and I imagine they aren't on the best of speaking terms now 'cause if it was my sister who was the Prime Minister of Australia Same Sex Marriage would have been legalised straight away. Abbott is a backwards control freak and his views are outdated and out of touch with people but sadly we have other people like him as I mentioned above who are still in high up positions and 'cause they only need to lose one more person and Labor could put forward a No confidence vote that would trigger an election Malcolm is going to suck up to them as much as he can 'cause he can't afford to lose them.
I don't know what is going to happen with the Postal Plebiscite but if it comes back as a 'Yes' there are sadly going to be a number of people in the government who are going to try everything they can to vote it down and stop it from happening and that's if they don't try and sabotage the whole thing themselves and make votes go missing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2017 6:55:01 GMT
Tony Abbott is indeed a clown but I have a feeling there will be another Leadership spill at some point and what was funny about Tony losing the leadership to Malcolm Turnball was it was another thing Kevin Rudd wanted to change and he come up with some new rules for parliament that would have made it far more difficult for them to have Leadership spills and Tony publicly acted very interested in them and was going to consider but like Same Sex Marriage he did nothing so when it comes down to it one of the reasons Tony Abbott lost his leadership was 'cause he didn't listen to Kevin Rudd. What makes Abbott such a joke as well is his very own sister is a lesbian and he couldn't even change the laws for her and I imagine they aren't on the best of speaking terms now 'cause if it was my sister who was the Prime Minister of Australia Same Sex Marriage would have been legalised straight away. Abbott is a backwards control freak and his views are outdated and out of touch with people but sadly we have other people like him as I mentioned above who are still in high up positions and 'cause they only need to lose one more person and Labor could put forward a No confidence vote that would trigger an election Malcolm is going to suck up to them as much as he can 'cause he can't afford to lose them.
I don't know what is going to happen with the Postal Plebiscite but if it comes back as a 'Yes' there are sadly going to be a number of people in the government who are going to try everything they can to vote it down and stop it from happening and that's if they don't try and sabotage the whole thing themselves and make votes go missing. Cheers for your post DebBec. Enjoyed reading. Here are some ice-creams for you and your squeeze. 🍦🍦 This is all one big absurd fracas. Postal envelopes are going to the wrong address, because people who have moved haven't informed the electoral office. While it is illegal to tamper with someone else's mail, the ethical question that has been raised, are these going to be used by others to double up on their vote, if they choose to use them? I don't think they are coded or anything, because it is supposed to be a confidential vote. There is no way the Bureau Of Statistics would know if someone has voted twice or more, using wrongly posted ballots. It is not going to be reflective of any honest or genuine opinion of the Australian voting public. I wasn't aware that the other plebiscite that got over-ruled in parliament, was compulsory. I thought that was optional as well. Voting would have just taken place at specified community places, like a normal election for candidates. That is why I feel this whole thing needs to be boycotted, due to all the under-handed devious schemes, corruption and conspiracies that are being played out. Turnbull is a phony and is doing the wrong thing here and that is why it needs to be an embarrassing failure. If no-one cares to vote, or a very minute percentage comes back, the Coalition will be the laughing stock of the decade. This is the only way I can see a big raspberry being given to Turnbulls<>t's government. Lesbians and Gays need to put their need for equality on hold here. You're welcome.
Yes. The other plebiscite was binding and compulsory. Some are saying if the Postal Plebiscite comes back with a 'yes' and the government votes it down and they will push for the original plebiscite at the next election. Did you know they were trying to push for an online vote on it instead of a postal vote? That would have been worse 'cause people use multiple accounts to vote numerous times on poles on websites as it is and an online vote would be hacked for sure. Have you heard Warren Entsch is going to bring a private member’s bill to parliament for same-sex marriage in late November if the postal plebiscite ends with a 'No' vote? He has announced the bill would same sex marriage here in Australia but allow ministers to refuse to marry a couple if it was in conflict with their religion and a number of the most vocal 'No' supporters in the Coalition are freaking out over it 'cause if he does it there will be no way for them to prevent it from going to vote. Warren Entsch is a strong supporter of same sex marriages and has said in multiple it is ridiculous this is still an issue for us here and should have been settled a long time ago. He is also backing another case with the United Nations that will go through if the postal plebiscite doesn't get a 'yes' or is voted down by the government which is to do with divorce.
They were talking about it on Sky News and we had no idea but Beccy and I can't get divorced since we got married in another country and to get a divorce an Australian couple has to get one in Australia. One person who split up with their partner 13 years ago hasn't been able to get a divorce from their ex partner in Canada 'cause of this and they have gone to numerous other countries to try and have now taken it to the United Nations to get them to step in. We have no plans to get divorced but it is ridiculous that we can't and under this we could be stuck married to abusers, murderers, rapists and pedophiles and can't legally get divorced from them. They are calling it one of the strongest cases for Same Sex Marriage to be legalised in Australia in history and some former judges have said it would be impossible to argue against it not being a violation of human rights so if this postal plebiscite and Warren Entsch's bill doesn't work out it looks like the thing that is going to kickstart Marriage Equality in Australia will be our rights to get divorced. Have you heard some of Cory Bernardi's latest attacks on us? He is a vile human being and not only is he a homophobe but he is also a known racist, misogynist and rape apologist. A lot of people in the Coalition didn't like him before he left and started the Australian Conservative's Party and he has a title of being one of the most unpopular politicians in Australia. One of the ministers that used to work closely with him compared him to a psychopath recently and looking at his eyes he does seem to have a psychotic look to him and I would not trust him..
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Post by Terrapin Station on Sept 18, 2017 11:32:54 GMT
The idea of non-physical existents is completely incoherent. There only is the physical world. Can't say I haven't attempted to enlighten you, or at least broaden your horizons. You've got to remember that I've been intensely interested in philosophical stuff for ~45 years now, enough that it's one of the two things I went to school for, I read a ton, I spend a ton of time thinking about this stuff, I've had hundreds and hundreds of discussions over the years with other interested parties, including others who obtained philosophy degrees, I've even been slightly active professionally in philosophy--I've published a bit, I regularly attend conferences, etc. . . . the point being both that I'm pretty unlikely to run into views or arguments I haven't heard before at this point, and I'm pretty unlikely to change my core views at this point. My views evolved a lot, and rapidly, when I was younger and I hadn't encountered a ton of other views/arguments yet. But at this point it's a lot like listening to a classic rock station for me. They're not going to play many, if any songs that I haven't heard before. They're going to play "Stairway to Heaven" and "Smoke on the Water" and "Brown Sugar" and "Back in Black" and so on. I know it all like the back of my hand; it's not going to change my musical taste. Also, if I wouldn't have done my second set of degrees in philosophy (my first set of degrees is in music theory/composition), I would have done them in one of the sciences instead--either astrophysics, physics, or perhaps geology, (other) environmental sciences, archaeology or marine biology (the latter four partially because as a fall-back career I would have liked to work in a scientific field where I was (a) outside a lot, especially in natural/wilderness/etc. areas, and (b) able to travel a lot . . . including that I would have liked being a national park ranger). I'm very interested in all of those fields, I took a ton of electives in those and other scientific fields, and I still regularly read a ton of scientific literature, the point of that being that my worldview is pretty much that of a stereotypical skeptical/more or less logical positivist, hard-nosed scientist. At that, I love the fantasy of stuff like ghosts, vampires, cryptids, Earth-visiting aliens, etc. But I just don't think any of that stuff is real, and as time has gone on and I've thought about it more, I've come to be even more skeptical of it than I used to be.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Sept 18, 2017 12:02:18 GMT
You've got to remember that I've been intensely interested in philosophical stuff for ~45 years now, enough that it's one of the two things I went to school for, I read a ton, I spend a ton of time thinking about this stuff, I've had hundreds and hundreds of discussions over the years with other interested parties, including others who obtained philosophy degrees, I've even been slightly active professionally in philosophy--I've published a bit, I regularly attend conferences, etc. . . . the point being both that I'm pretty unlikely to run into views or arguments I haven't heard before at this point, and I'm pretty unlikely to change my core views at this point. My views evolved a lot, and rapidly, when I was younger and I hadn't encountered a ton of other views/arguments yet. But at this point it's a lot like listening to a classic rock station for me. They're not going to play many, if any songs that I haven't heard before. They're going to play "Stairway to Heaven" and "Smoke on the Water" and "Brown Sugar" and "Back in Black" and so on. I know it all like the back of my hand; it's not going to change my musical taste. Also, if I wouldn't have done my second set of degrees in philosophy (my first set of degrees is in music theory/composition), I would have done them in one of the sciences instead--either astrophysics, physics, or perhaps geology, (other) environmental sciences, archaeology or marine biology (the latter four partially because as a fall-back career I would have liked to work in a scientific field where I was (a) outside a lot, especially in natural/wilderness/etc. areas, and (b) able to travel a lot . . . including that I would have liked being a national park ranger). I'm very interested in all of those fields, I took a ton of electives in those and other scientific fields, and I still regularly read a ton of scientific literature, the point of that being that my worldview is pretty much that of a stereotypical skeptical/more or less logical positivist, hard-nosed scientist. At that, I love the fantasy of stuff like ghosts, vampires, cryptids, Earth-visiting aliens, etc. But I just don't think any of that stuff is real, and as time has gone on and I've thought about it more, I've come to be even more skeptical of it than I used to be. Since it is all illusion, none of it is real, even your notion and level of education may not reveal the answers you are looking for. Being over analytical—isn't it ironic that this adjective begins in anal...?—and amassing large amounts of knowledge to find some kind of meaning in your life, doesn't necessarily mean you have found wisdom, or for want of a better term, God honest truth.
Change is an important thing to happen in our lives, if we are to grow and expand and it is how we adapt to it and carry it on board, that is a big test. We may see it as external or internal change, but at the end of the day, it is all just change and all one and the same. Perhaps at this stage of your life though, you may be comfortable with where you are at, and what you believe, might not be impinging or detrimental to your journey, so I say just go with that. I will add though, and I don't wish to misinterpret you, but what you have written above, appears like a resume. I wonder if you are seeking for approval of others, or have a need to be seen as impressive. Isn't that egoism?
Ah, "Purple Haze"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 6:38:06 GMT
You're welcome.
Yes. The other plebiscite was binding and compulsory. Some are saying if the Postal Plebiscite comes back with a 'yes' and the government votes it down and they will push for the original plebiscite at the next election. Did you know they were trying to push for an online vote on it instead of a postal vote? That would have been worse 'cause people use multiple accounts to vote numerous times on poles on websites as it is and an online vote would be hacked for sure. Have you heard Warren Entsch is going to bring a private member’s bill to parliament for same-sex marriage in late November if the postal plebiscite ends with a 'No' vote? He has announced the bill would same sex marriage here in Australia but allow ministers to refuse to marry a couple if it was in conflict with their religion and a number of the most vocal 'No' supporters in the Coalition are freaking out over it 'cause if he does it there will be no way for them to prevent it from going to vote. Warren Entsch is a strong supporter of same sex marriages and has said in multiple it is ridiculous this is still an issue for us here and should have been settled a long time ago. He is also backing another case with the United Nations that will go through if the postal plebiscite doesn't get a 'yes' or is voted down by the government which is to do with divorce.
They were talking about it on Sky News and we had no idea but Beccy and I can't get divorced since we got married in another country and to get a divorce an Australian couple has to get one in Australia. One person who split up with their partner 13 years ago hasn't been able to get a divorce from their ex partner in Canada 'cause of this and they have gone to numerous other countries to try and have now taken it to the United Nations to get them to step in. We have no plans to get divorced but it is ridiculous that we can't and under this we could be stuck married to abusers, murderers, rapists and pedophiles and can't legally get divorced from them. They are calling it one of the strongest cases for Same Sex Marriage to be legalised in Australia in history and some former judges have said it would be impossible to argue against it not being a violation of human rights so if this postal plebiscite and Warren Entsch's bill doesn't work out it looks like the thing that is going to kickstart Marriage Equality in Australia will be our rights to get divorced. Have you heard some of Cory Bernardi's latest attacks on us? He is a vile human being and not only is he a homophobe but he is also a known racist, misogynist and rape apologist. A lot of people in the Coalition didn't like him before he left and started the Australian Conservative's Party and he has a title of being one of the most unpopular politicians in Australia. One of the ministers that used to work closely with him compared him to a psychopath recently and looking at his eyes he does seem to have a psychotic look to him and I would not trust him.. It is just going to be a matter of time. And like I mentioned, this issue is not going to go away. Australia is way behind the eight ball here and making such a song and dance about it, is embarrassing for the Coalition. I am bamboozled as to why they can't see this, not to mention this postal vote fiasco. It is a 3 ring circus. Yes, the divorce issue is an important one too.
As for the religious aspect behind it, that is not equality and just more prejudice and bigotry. A church would not refuse a hetero couple, and if a same sex couple have religious affiliations to a certain denomination, you would think the church would welcome it's members. At any rate though, and only a personal subjective opinion, religion has been one of the biggest scourges on homosexuality, and I would question why a same sex couple would want to marry in a church anyway.
No. It isn't going to go away which is why groups like Antipodean Resistance are urging people to attack us 'cause they think the best way to silence us is by using violence and intimidation. The homophobes desperately want it to and are trying to make out they are the victims here and now are saying that all the years of bullying, discrimination, violent assaults etc never happened to us and it is us who have always been the ones attacking them and forcing our gayness on them trying to 'turn' everybody gay and the media is behind us now 'cause being gay is the new 'cool' and 'hip' thing and to be it is such a load of garbage but they won't acknowledge that. Some members of the Coalition know it is embarrassing for them and are worried it is going to cost them the election but there are too many backwards members in the party who oppose same sex marriage and are willing to put their careers on the line to prevent it from happening here 'cause they believe they are on the right side of history. They keep using fear tactics and comparisons to pedophilia to try and turn people against us and claim if Marriage Equality happens in Australia incest, bestiality and polygamy will be legalised next and Australia will become a country run by degenerates. Their main argument is protecting children which is hilarious since we know if any of their children came out they would abandon them in a heartbeat like my parents abandoned me.
Lyle Shelton who is the head of the Christian Lobby here and one of the top people of the 'No' movement has been revealed to be what is called a dominionist and a reconstructionist and I can't say I had heard of those terms before but after doing some research they are extreme Christians who want to undermine democracy and control everybody with the words of the old Testament. They believe homosexuality, adultery, incest, lying about one’s virginity, bestiality, witchcraft and false prophesying should are all crimes to humanity that should be met with the death penalty and they are anti-democratic and support white supremacy in Australia. Lyle's Father was one of the most influential figures in 'Logos' which was an extreme cult full of Anti-Semitic Holocaust deniers and supporters of apartheid that murdered gays and lesbians in the 50s and 60s and kidnapped Aboriginal children from their parents and raised them to believe they were secondary to white people.
After Logos dissolved its members re-branded themselves as the Toowoomba City Church and Lyle’s father ran it and raised his son with the same beliefs and people who went to High School and University with Lyle have said he promoted Christian fascism and theocracy and was devoutly committed to undermining Australian democracy. One person who used to live in the same street as him back in 2004 had him try to drive their family out of Toowoomba ‘cause he was openly homosexual by using his position on the council to have their house condemned and sold out from under them. Lyle failed when the Council staff refused to falsely condemn the structure and he later got removed from that council for doing something else but there have been a consistent string of actions and policies from him that resemble what they call the Logos cult schooling system. Lyle is a strong supporter of gay conversation therapy and has campaigned for it to be legalised here. He believes all parents should have the rights to send their kids to one and some people at his church were exposed for running illegal underground gay conversation therapy here not long ago. The fact we have a person such as Lyle as the head of the Christian lobby here is disgraceful and shows where the problem lies. A quick look into a lot of these vocal 'No' supporters shows they all seem to have very shady histories and links to extreme cults and it is not just us these extremists hate, they hate Aborigines here and think black people are a stain on humanity.
Most of us don't want to have weddings inside of churches. That's another fear tactic they are running and they are saying if same sex marriages are legalised we will force all the churches to marry us and make us wedding cakes with 2 brides or 2 grooms instead of bride and groom on top and if they try to refuse us we will sue them.
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Post by darkpast on Oct 1, 2017 4:34:48 GMT
probably, 'normal' gay people appear jealous that the trans movement has gotten so much media attention
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