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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 16:05:23 GMT
This is one of the greats! Only 5 seasons, but each one counts. Even with the out of date visuals and low budget, the show still holds up today.
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Post by azzajones on Mar 3, 2017 8:29:08 GMT
Sure was one of the greats. I was saddened to learn 5 actors from B5 have passed on.
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Post by alpha128 on Mar 3, 2017 12:11:00 GMT
This is one of the greats! Only 5 seasons, but each one counts. Even with the out of date visuals and low budget, the show still holds up today. I love B5 - I own the entire series on DVD.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 18:12:33 GMT
I was saddened to learn 5 actors from B5 have passed on. Yep. Jerry Doyle being the most recent. It's sad because he was a class act....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 2:44:58 GMT
I was saddened to learn 5 actors from B5 have passed on. Yep. Jerry Doyle being the most recent. It's sad because he was a class act.... You know, I did not hear about Jerry Doyle passing away. That is really sad, I am a Babylon 5 junkie and love every character on the series. Even read all the BAB-5 books as crappy as most of them were, only one where they go to G'kars home world to rescue him from a secret plot was worth the time. The Rangers series was a bad concept and they should of just produced a show where the old cast could easily guest-star, when I saw it, I said? no, G'kar? Lita Alexander,,,,, I knew it was all over Lucky it made it to full- five plus the movies, longer than Star Trek by far.
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Post by alpha128 on Mar 16, 2017 3:31:48 GMT
I am a Babylon 5 junkie and love every character on the series. Even read all the BAB-5 books as crappy as most of them were, only one where they go to G'kars home world to rescue him from a secret plot was worth the time. In the wake of that other site's shutdown, I signed up here and also at JMSNews Forums. That's a great place for Babylon 5 junkies to discuss the series in depth.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 0:49:19 GMT
I am a Babylon 5 junkie and love every character on the series. Even read all the BAB-5 books as crappy as most of them were, only one where they go to G'kars home world to rescue him from a secret plot was worth the time. In the wake of that other site's shutdown, I signed up here and also at JMSNews Forums. That's a great place for Babylon 5 junkies to discuss the series in depth. Thanks for the Link, a Bab-5 movie was announced pushed back last year, have not heard much about it since. J. Michael Straczynski does have it in him to do something interesting, if given the chance. Fansites are a trip, you could find yourself in the midst of an argument over the genealogy of House Mollari. Will just buzz around this board on and off and see if someone posts.
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Post by alpha128 on Mar 17, 2017 1:03:55 GMT
Thanks for the Link, a Bab-5 movie was announced pushed back last year, have not heard much about it since. J. Michael Straczynski does have it in him to do something interesting, if given the chance. JMSNews Forums has sections on all of JMS' past and future projects. And the people there are very friendly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 1:34:58 GMT
Thanks for the Link, a Bab-5 movie was announced pushed back last year, have not heard much about it since. J. Michael Straczynski does have it in him to do something interesting, if given the chance. JMSNews Forums has sections on all of JMS' past and future projects. And the people there are very friendly. I should drop by and take a look around, will have to post as Erik son of G'kar, or Erik Gkar? most definitely, hmmmm,,name change? Legally- of course,
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 1:47:36 GMT
It was an amazing series. Struggled with budget issues, but if you could look past that it was fantastic.
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Post by alpha128 on Mar 17, 2017 2:04:38 GMT
JMSNews Forums has sections on all of JMS' past and future projects. And the people there are very friendly. I should drop by and take a look around, will have to post as Erik son of G'kar, or Erik Gkar? most definitely, hmmmm,,name change? Legally- of course, OK. Maybe I'll see you over there.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 2:42:37 GMT
It was an amazing series. Struggled with budget issues, but if you could look past that it was fantastic. The last season was a little rough and the casting of Tracy Scoggin did the show little favor, and was a poor substitute for Susan Ivanova, the first season with all the back and forth between Londo and G'kar and the political maneuvering was one of the best aspects of the show, the writing is really deep in this season and the episodes are filled with alot of interesting aspects that allow you to view them over and over again. Unlike Star Trek Next G after season three, became a semi-melodrama, this show stuck right to it. That is why I rank it over STNG even though it lasted longer.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 2:57:24 GMT
I actually rather liked Tracy Scoggins, and her character.
Agreed the 5th season was weak, though. Apparently JMS said he thought the show would be cancelled at the end of Season 4, so he resolved all the major plots with the Earth gov and Shadow war early. According to him he only moved about five or six episodes between Season 5 and 4 - he always planned to wrap those up within the first half season or so and then spend the rest of the season on the telepaths and the Alliance.
Regardless, though, I never much liked Byron and the whole telepath rebellion thing. Which is a shame, because one of the great things I love about Babylon 5 is that it's the only show I've ever seen that really explores what it would be like if there were telepaths in your society.
Most shows - Star Trek especially - shows telepaths who simply treat it as their right to scan other people's minds. And amazingly, those people always take the view that this is no big deal. Nobody objects to Deanna Troi constantly scanning their emotions. Her mother claims to read their thoughts, and openly talks about those thoughts out loud right there in front of them - and people act like it's a bit rude, and nothing more.
The reality is that people would hate and fear telepaths if those telepaths were not controlled to protect our privacy - and simultaneously, controlling them would necessarily be a harsh, cruel thing to do to them. I love how JMS not only came up with a workable solution to this in the Psi Corps, but then spent years exploring how that solution could go horribly wrong. It's a wonderful plot thread, and it's a damn shame that he chose to round it out with a season of Byron and his pals.
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Post by alpha128 on Mar 17, 2017 3:05:27 GMT
The last season was a little rough and the casting of Tracy Scoggin did the show little favor, and was a poor substitute for Susan Ivanova That's because B5's original network, PTEN, was going away at the end of Season 4. This forced JMS to accelerate his plotline and cram as much story into that year, and to bring things to an end. Then they got a last minute renewal at TNT, and had to start Season 5, in JMS' words, "without any story momentum".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 2:10:42 GMT
I actually rather liked Tracy Scoggins, and her character. Agreed the 5th season was weak, though. Apparently JMS said he thought the show would be cancelled at the end of Season 4, so he resolved all the major plots with the Earth gov and Shadow war early. According to him he only moved about five or six episodes between Season 5 and 4 - he always planned to wrap those up within the first half season or so and then spend the rest of the season on the telepaths and the Alliance. Regardless, though, I never much liked Byron and the whole telepath rebellion thing. Which is a shame, because one of the great things I love about Babylon 5 is that it's the only show I've ever seen that really explores what it would be like if there were telepaths in your society. Most shows - Star Trek especially - shows telepaths who simply treat it as their right to scan other people's minds. And amazingly, those people always take the view that this is no big deal. Nobody objects to Deanna Troi constantly scanning their emotions. Her mother claims to read their thoughts, and openly talks about those thoughts out loud right there in front of them - and people act like it's a bit rude, and nothing more. The reality is that people would hate and fear telepaths if those telepaths were not controlled to protect our privacy - and simultaneously, controlling them would necessarily be a harsh, cruel thing to do to them. I love how JMS not only came up with a workable solution to this in the Psi Corps, but then spent years exploring how that solution could go horribly wrong. It's a wonderful plot thread, and it's a damn shame that he chose to round it out with a season of Byron and his pals. The problem with Tracy Scoggin's character Elizabeth Lochley, is that I could easily replace her with another actress and you would not miss her from a single episode. Really wish that there was a way to switch her with Kathryn Janeway from Star Trek Voyager, Kate Mulgrew was an excellent choice, regardless of my long-term opinion of the show, she was great in it. Scoggins is attractive mind you, even more so when she was modeling. The whole telepath war was just a cost saving device and what a let-down for a plot device for me also, we had a long story arc that mostly pushed the shadow-servants out into the background for this? Mew?......we'll leave quietly, goodbye. There was a great chance for a PSI showdown with Lita's growing abilities that should of been taken to earth and involved a complex plot line with Bester having to master-mind a counter offensive and really involving questions, can Humanity tolerate even the existence of it's own PSI corp, something along those lines. The storyline with Londo was filled in good enough but could of been really great if we just axed the whole Baron and the psi-messiah angle. Notice how all this happened on the sets that were already built? In fact, there was no real attempts at universe expansion in this last season. We could of at least poked around the history of Narn, and I would've like to roam around that aspect far more than this plot-line also. In fact the Shadow servants? why did we need them other than to torment Londo's guilt over his actions and the devastation of Narn? another tiring plot line- that was only briefly filled in and underutilized. Deanna Troi's character in STNG in the first season was a good idea, for visiting alien home-worlds and communicating but then after Wesley Crusher left for the academy, the show took an obnoxious veering off from the intellectual to all this touchy feely self-discovery, Jean-Luc Picard's previous life and Data's emotional obsession.. Klingon baby sitting. That is why I like Lyta Alexander's character, she seems far more realistic and grounded and STNG treats the PSI aspect as a quick screen-writer's gimmick to reveal everyone's inner feelings.... great post- thanks D.G.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 2:16:58 GMT
The last season was a little rough and the casting of Tracy Scoggin did the show little favor, and was a poor substitute for Susan Ivanova That's because B5's original network, PTEN, was going away at the end of Season 4. This forced JMS to accelerate his plotline and cram as much story into that year, and to bring things to an end. Then they got a last minute renewal at TNT, and had to start Season 5, in JMS' words, "without any story momentum". I do take that readily into account, but how much of the original plot did we get and how much was modified because of budget restraints. Is there a plot-line comparison out-there somewhere? JMS said he wrote out the entire storyline before the show was even shot?
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Post by alpha128 on Mar 18, 2017 2:31:01 GMT
Notice how all this happened on the sets that were already built? In fact, there was no real attempts at universe expansion in this last season. Actually, we did visit the Drazi homeworld for the first time in the latter half of Season 5. But they did cut the shooting schedule for a single episode from seven to six days in Season 5. This probably limited what they could do. It certainly seemed to limit reshoots. I noticed some significant bloopers made to the final cut in two Season 5 episodes. In "A Tragedy of Telepaths" a light bulb burns out on screen. Even worse, in "The Ragged Edge", Garibaldi is thrown back against the railing of his balcony at the Drazi Hilton, and railing moves back with him!
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Post by alpha128 on Mar 18, 2017 2:57:39 GMT
I do take that readily into account, but how much of the original plot did we get and how much was modified because of budget restraints. Is there a plot-line comparison out-there somewhere? JMS went on the record and wrote that the uncertainty about renewal for the fifth season forced him to move four episodes from the beginning of Season 5 to the tail end of Season 4. This is why Season 5 started out slow and padded. JMS said he wrote out the entire storyline before the show was even shot? Yes he did map out the entire story early on, but he also made several changes along the way, some of which are outlined in io9's The Strange, Secret Evolution of Babylon 5.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 2:57:52 GMT
Notice how all this happened on the sets that were already built? In fact, there was no real attempts at universe expansion in this last season. Actually, we did visit the Drazi homeworld for the first time in the latter half of Season 5. But they did cut the shooting schedule for a single episode from seven to six days in Season 5. This probably limited what they could do. It certainly seemed to limit reshoots. I noticed some significant bloopers made to the final cut in two Season 5 episodes. In "A Tragedy of Telepaths" a light bulb burns out on screen. Even worse, in "The Ragged Edge", Garibaldi is thrown back against the railing of his balcony at the Drazi Hilton, and railing moves back with him! I recall a fly over shot and Garibaldi's room where he is attacked and the double-blind alley-ways with the movable set pieces and the Shadow guidance tech warehouse, we came down a long-way from the attack on the Narn Home-world with that shot of Londo watching as the gravity drivers fell. Re-watching the series a couple of times you really begin to appreciate Stephen Franklin, his character really brought the story arcs together, he was a pretty good actor, the character did alot to enrich the episodes. Maybe second favorite Space Doc? how long is that list? BTW
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Post by alpha128 on Mar 18, 2017 3:03:51 GMT
Re-watching the series a couple of times you really begin to appreciate Stephen Franklin, his character really brought the story arcs together, he was a pretty good actor, the character did alot to enrich the episodes. Maybe second favorite Space Doc? how long is that list? BTW - Dr. Leonard "Bones" McCoy
- Dr. Stephen Franklin
- All the other Star Trek doctors
- Dr. Benjamin Kyle
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