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Post by PreachCaleb on Sept 8, 2017 13:14:35 GMT
I just recently started rewatching season 2, and it just breaks my heart seeing Lorne up on the tv.
It was a true tragedy loosing Andy Hallett. He brought a genuine warmth and sincerity to the character and by extension to the show. Who'd've thought a green karaoke demon would be the final piece this incredible ensemble needed to be complete?
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Post by flyerzzrul on Sept 9, 2017 1:17:59 GMT
Alot of people hated Lorne taking out Lindsey, but I absolutely loved it!
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Post by PreachCaleb on Sept 11, 2017 13:31:34 GMT
Same here. It was such a poignant moment, not only for Lorne but for the show itself.
The fact that it was Lorne who did it demonstrates just how irredeemable Lindsey was.
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Sept 13, 2017 23:13:26 GMT
Post by ag25 on Sept 13, 2017 23:13:26 GMT
I just recently started rewatching season 2, and it just breaks my heart seeing Lorne up on the tv. It was a true tragedy loosing Andy Hallett. He brought a genuine warmth and sincerity to the character and by extension to the show. Who'd've thought a green karaoke demon would be the final piece this incredible ensemble needed to be complete?
Totally agree! I love surprises like that.
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Post by mmexis on Oct 4, 2017 8:11:13 GMT
And, OMG, doesn't he have that "lounge patter" down perfectly?? And somehow without the sleaziness....
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Oct 12, 2017 6:55:44 GMT
First thought when watching this… “Geez, Lorne, Lindsey’s singing wasn’t that bad.” Seriously, though, I really thought Lindsey’s end was very fitting. It also seemed like the typical 'Joss thing' to do – to take Lorne, a character who was always the ‘life of the party’, so optimistic/happy and without any real ‘darkness’ to him, then break him down/take him to his lowest point. Lorne really seemed like a shell of his former self when he uttered his final line, “Goodnight, folks.”, dropped the gun and exited. I do like to think he eventually managed to recover, though it probably wasn’t very likely. What I loved about Lindsey’s death was that Angel *really* didn’t view/think of Lindsey as Lindsey thought Angel did. He saw them as these two arch rivals, he was Angel’s nemesis and only the ‘hero’ of the story could take him down. Obviously Angel did not feel that way. It appeared he felt Lindsey was nothing more than a loose end that needed tying up and didn’t deem him worthy of even finishing himself (also, he had other more important things to deal with in the series final). I just found it oddly satisfying – Lindsey’s shock and outrage/disappointment at not even being ended by Angel’s hands/worth his time. It was the final insult to injury for him. I kind of liked that Lindsey had built up in his mind that he *would* eventually die, and that he fully expected Angel to kill him...but it was not to be. I enjoyed the way it played out, with Lindsey still talking about being killed as he lay dying. It was also rather fitting that his final word was “Angel”. I know some Lindsey fans didn’t like his death and probably wondered why Angel would have him killed after he’d just been helping out the good guys...but, really, Lorne said it best: As much as it may have seemed like Lindsey was working for the side of good in the episode, we’d seen previously how quickly he could switch sides (Season 1’s ‘Blind Date’ being a prime example, where he switched sides back and forth within the same episode). He worked for the side of good so long at it served his purposes, I think. He honestly couldn’t be trusted in the long run, which was what made him dangerous and I think was what called for him to finally be put down in the end. Of course, this^ is just my interpretation of things. I’m sure others will feel differently.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 12, 2017 14:15:55 GMT
It's both a badass moment and a heartbreaking one for Lorne. As you say, he was the one character most genuinely full of love and hope. Yet his association with Angel Investigations and Wolfram and Hart had broken him down enough that he was able to take a human life in cold blood. Lindsey was an ally and unarmed when Lorne put two bullets in his chest.
I do like how you describe him as a "loose end." That's pretty much it. As you mentioned, he'd switched sides one too many times. That's not a wildcard Angel could afford to have out there. But I think the moment he sealed his fate was when he agreed to help Angel, and Angel asked him, "Why?"
Lindsey's response is: "This is gonna be a circus. I mean, win or lose, you're about to pick the nastiest fight since mankind drop-kicked the last demon out of this dimension. And that you don't do without me."
To him, it was all about being involved in the fight. Nothing to do with what's right or doing some good. He wants in on the action. On Angel's reaction, you can see the wheels in his head turning. He knows this guy will never change. I fully believe that's the moment he knew Lindsey had to die.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Oct 14, 2017 7:44:17 GMT
But I think the moment he sealed his fate was when he agreed to help Angel, and Angel asked him, "Why?"
Lindsey's response is: "This is gonna be a circus. I mean, win or lose, you're about to pick the nastiest fight since mankind drop-kicked the last demon out of this dimension. And that you don't do without me."
To him, it was all about being involved in the fight. Nothing to do with what's right or doing some good. He wants in on the action. On Angel's reaction, you can see the wheels in his head turning. He knows this guy will never change. I fully believe that's the moment he knew Lindsey had to die.
Angel was one character who I found quite fascinating to just sit back and watch him thinking - which might sound odd, I know, but I believe certain actors can be really captivating even when they're just playing a character who is thinking about stuff/mulling things over in their mind. If done right, you can *see* the wheels turning and totally get what they're thinking without them uttering a single word.
Another actor/character who I found fascinating to watch as he was just simply watching other characters was Travis Fimmel as Ragnar Lothbrok in the TV show Vikings. Numerous episodes would show him standing away from people and just watching what they were doing/listening to them. He managed to make it totally interesting to watch.
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Oct 16, 2017 14:24:01 GMT
Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 16, 2017 14:24:01 GMT
David was a great "thinking" actor. As far back as "City of," there are moments when, with just a look, you can see his character is working something out.
Another great example would be in "Judgement" after he's killed the Prio Motus demon protecting the pregnant woman. The look on his face as she sobs over the Prio's body tells us everything. His mind is racing, trying to make sense of this mistake.
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May 24, 2018 15:31:28 GMT
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 24, 2018 15:31:28 GMT
David was a great "thinking" actor. As far back as "City of," there are moments when, with just a look, you can see his character is working something out. Another great example would be in "Judgement" after he's killed the Prio Motus demon protecting the pregnant woman. The look on his face as she sobs over the Prio's body tells us everything. His mind is racing, trying to make sense of this mistake. Nah, that's not a great example at all. You don't know anything about anything.
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May 24, 2018 15:31:47 GMT
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 24, 2018 15:31:47 GMT
Same here. It was such a poignant moment, not only for Lorne but for the show itself. The fact that it was Lorne who did it demonstrates just how irredeemable Lindsey was. Nah, it doesn't demonstrate that.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on May 24, 2018 15:32:27 GMT
I just recently started rewatching season 2, and it just breaks my heart seeing Lorne up on the tv. It was a true tragedy loosing Andy Hallett. He brought a genuine warmth and sincerity to the character and by extension to the show. Who'd've thought a green karaoke demon would be the final piece this incredible ensemble needed to be complete? Nah, you never started rewatching it. Stop lying to these people.
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Post by Lebowskidoo 🦞 on Jul 5, 2018 11:46:04 GMT
Andy was such a sweet person, so humble when fans came up to him. Met him on the "Slayer Cruise" on the Zuiderdam in 2005. His death came as a huge shock, but we can always visit him on Angel.
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