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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 8:30:55 GMT
Blasphemy laws once appeared to be a quaint notion that was relegated to the distant past. However, in recent years, both Ireland and New Zealand have introduced blasphemy laws, with numerous other developed nations developing robust 'hate speech laws', with particular focus on so-called 'Islamophobia'. Do you support hate speech and/or blasphemy laws, and why/why not?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 2, 2017 11:54:58 GMT
I couldn't find anything on new blasphemy laws in ireland or New Zealand being re-introduced making it possibly a non-issue.
Of course, I voted anyway for free speech.
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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 2, 2017 12:22:58 GMT
Blasphemy laws once appeared to be a quaint notion that was relegated to the distant past. However, in recent years, both Ireland and New Zealand have introduced blasphemy laws, with numerous other developed nations developing robust 'hate speech laws', with particular focus on so-called 'Islamophobia'. Do you support hate speech and/or blasphemy laws, and why/why not? I chose the first option, however you should know that there are libel laws. When you tell some people there are libel laws they think it's just a temporary mistake and all those should be repealed. Laws or no laws there does happen to be such a thing as responsible speech and such a thing as irresponsible speech. In the past the press has been more help than is obvious in ensuring that responsible speech gets its day and irresponsible speech is properly challenged. The internet has caught more stupid in it than anyone would have guessed (skyhawk0?). It is totally irresponsible. It has shown the ugly truth that most people have no idea what's is going on and should not bother speaking out on public policy. No, they are not "agnostic atheists" and they should not bother with speech and go play lawn darts or something.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Mar 2, 2017 13:43:51 GMT
I'm a free speech absolutist, including that I'd not even have slander/libel laws, so the first option for me.
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Post by thefleetsin on Mar 2, 2017 14:00:51 GMT
so the church is rotating around its blasphemy laws again?
good luck floating that lead balloon.
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Post by PanLeo on Mar 2, 2017 14:13:17 GMT
I believe some things like burning a bible or any holy book in public should be illegal.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Mar 2, 2017 14:35:03 GMT
I believe some things like burning a bible or any holy book in public should be illegal. Why do you feel that should be illegal?
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Post by PanLeo on Mar 2, 2017 14:44:41 GMT
I believe some things like burning a bible or any holy book in public should be illegal. Why do you feel that should be illegal? It isnt taking away any free speech rights. I have no problem with somebody expressing their opinion and calling the bible cancer or a poisonous bookor whatever. Burning a holy book is just an attempt to incite hatred. Are you HeartSpin or JrnlofEddieDeezenStudios?
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Post by Terrapin Station on Mar 2, 2017 14:49:13 GMT
Why do you feel that should be illegal? It isnt taking away any free speech rights. I have no problem with somebody expressing their opinion and calling the bible cancer or a poisonous bookor whatever. Burning a holy book is just an attempt to incite hatred. Are you HeartSpin or JrnlofEddieDeezenStudios? So you feel that it's necessarily an attempt to incite hatred and that attempts to incite hatred should be legislatively banned. Why should attempts to incite hatred be legislatively banned in your view?
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Post by PanLeo on Mar 2, 2017 14:57:15 GMT
It isnt taking away any free speech rights. I have no problem with somebody expressing their opinion and calling the bible cancer or a poisonous bookor whatever. Burning a holy book is just an attempt to incite hatred. Are you HeartSpin or JrnlofEddieDeezenStudios? So you feel that it's necessarily an attempt to incite hatred and that attempts to incite hatred should be legislatively banned. Why should attempts to incite hatred be legislatively banned in your view? Well? You didnt answer my question? Well not neccessarily but it is almost always the case. Really? Shouldnt this be obvious? Hatred can lead to divisions in society that help nobody. Either way it seriously offends people and since it isnt protected under free speech it should not be outlawed.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Mar 2, 2017 15:03:13 GMT
So you feel that it's necessarily an attempt to incite hatred and that attempts to incite hatred should be legislatively banned. Why should attempts to incite hatred be legislatively banned in your view? Well? You didnt answer my question? Well not neccessarily but it is almost always the case. Really? Shouldnt this be obvious? Hatred can lead to divisions in society that help nobody. Either way it seriously offends people and since it isnt protected under free speech it should be outlawed. Right, I won't answer questions about that. You can keep asking if you want I guess. Anyway, so you see burning Bibles and such as necessarily being done as attempts to incite hatred and you see attempts to incite hatred not just as attempts to incite hatred, but you're assuming that they'll be successful. People will feel hatred because of them and that will lead to social divisions, which you want to effectively outlaw. You also want to outlaw anything that causes offense?
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Post by thefleetsin on Mar 2, 2017 15:04:21 GMT
I believe some things like burning a bible or any holy book in public should be illegal. after all the horrific things religions have inspired over the centuries, burning a holy book would be letting them off far too easy.
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Post by PanLeo on Mar 2, 2017 15:11:20 GMT
Well? You didnt answer my question? Well not neccessarily but it is almost always the case. Really? Shouldnt this be obvious? Hatred can lead to divisions in society that help nobody. Either way it seriously offends people and since it isnt protected under free speech it should be outlawed. Right, I won't answer questions about that. You can keep asking if you want I guess. Anyway, so you see burning Bibles and such as necessarily being done as attempts to incite hatred and you see attempts to incite hatred not just as attempts to incite hatred, but you're assuming that they'll be successful. People will feel hatred because of them and that will lead to social divisions, which you want to effectively outlaw. You also want to outlaw anything that causes offense? Why? Is there something you wish to hide? Either way I am pretty sure you are JrnlofEddieDeezenStudies for a number of reasons. I remember you from the so called "pedophilia wave" on the Religion, Faith and Spirituality board. No, I just admitted I was wrong about it being done to neccesarily incite hatred. Did you read my post? Fair enough I guess I am pressuming they will be successful. Point taken. No obviously not. As I already told you I have no problem with someone calling the bible cancerous or poisonous, this will obviously offend a lot of people.
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Post by Aj_June on Mar 2, 2017 15:11:59 GMT
I believe some things like burning a bible or any holy book in public should be illegal. I believe that people should be allowed the right to freedom of speech but people should not forget their moral responsibility. A carelessly done deed that may be right but that may incite violence or disturb the peace should be avoided.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Mar 2, 2017 15:15:25 GMT
Right, I won't answer questions about that. You can keep asking if you want I guess. Anyway, so you see burning Bibles and such as necessarily being done as attempts to incite hatred and you see attempts to incite hatred not just as attempts to incite hatred, but you're assuming that they'll be successful. People will feel hatred because of them and that will lead to social divisions, which you want to effectively outlaw. You also want to outlaw anything that causes offense? Why? Is there something you wish to hide? Either way I am pretty sure you are JrnlofEddieDeezenStudies for a number of reasons. I remember you from the so called "pedophilia wave" on the Religion, Faith and Spirituality board. No, I just admitted I was wrong about it being done to neccesarily incite hatred. Did you read my post? Fair enough I guess I am pressuming they will be successful. Point taken. No obviously not. As I already told you I have no problem with someone calling the bible cancerous or poisonous, this will obviously offend a lot of people. Sorry, I overlooked "not necessarily." So you believe that it isn't necessarily done to incite hatred, but nevertheless, despite that fact, it still often incites hatred in someone observing, simply because the person is burning a Bible, and you want to effectively outlaw hatred, or at least ideological divisions in society. What about the ideological division between people who think it's a big problem to outlaw burning books that people own and the people who are in favor of outlawing specific books? If we're outlawing social divisions how do we outlaw that?
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Post by PanLeo on Mar 2, 2017 15:24:53 GMT
Why? Is there something you wish to hide? Either way I am pretty sure you are JrnlofEddieDeezenStudies for a number of reasons. I remember you from the so called "pedophilia wave" on the Religion, Faith and Spirituality board. No, I just admitted I was wrong about it being done to neccesarily incite hatred. Did you read my post? Fair enough I guess I am pressuming they will be successful. Point taken. No obviously not. As I already told you I have no problem with someone calling the bible cancerous or poisonous, this will obviously offend a lot of people. Sorry, I overlooked "not necessarily." So you believe that it isn't necessarily done to incite hatred, but nevertheless, despite that fact, it still often incites hatred in someone observing, simply because the person is burning a Bible, and you want to effectively outlaw hatred, or at least ideological divisions in society. What about the ideological division between people who think it's a big problem to outlaw burning books that people own and the people who are in favor of outlawing specific books? If we're outlawing social divisions how do we outlaw that? What on earth JD? Where did you get that from? Nothing I said suggests I believe any of that.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Mar 2, 2017 15:32:19 GMT
Sorry, I overlooked "not necessarily." So you believe that it isn't necessarily done to incite hatred, but nevertheless, despite that fact, it still often incites hatred in someone observing, simply because the person is burning a Bible, and you want to effectively outlaw hatred, or at least ideological divisions in society. What about the ideological division between people who think it's a big problem to outlaw burning books that people own and the people who are in favor of outlawing specific books? If we're outlawing social divisions how do we outlaw that? What on earth JD? Where did you get that from? Nothing I said suggests I believe any of that. Wait, you don't believe that burning a Bible often incites hatred in someone observing it?
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Post by PanLeo on Mar 2, 2017 15:33:39 GMT
What on earth JD? Where did you get that from? Nothing I said suggests I believe any of that. Wait, you don't believe that burning a Bible often incites hatred in someone observing it? I remember you being smarter. That is not what I was disputing.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 2, 2017 15:36:07 GMT
What on earth JD? Where did you get that from? Nothing I said suggests I believe any of that. Wait, you don't believe that burning a Bible often incites hatred in someone observing it? Anger maybe depending on context.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Mar 2, 2017 15:43:47 GMT
Wait, you don't believe that burning a Bible often incites hatred in someone observing it? I remember you being smarter. That is not what I was disputing. Okay, but you'd said, "Nothing I said suggests I believe any of that." So I was going to go piece by piece for clarification. So is it that you don't want to effectively outlaw hatred, or at least ideological divisions in society?
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