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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 22, 2017 13:38:02 GMT
Yes, some volunteer it for free, and others drive a harder bargain. Dude selling his soul: I'll let you have my should if you make me a rock start
Satan: No thanks. You suck
Dude selling his soul: Bu...bu...but I'll devote my eternal damnation to you!
Satan: You already did when you made the offer.
BOOM! Head shot!
Advantage SATAN
Y'know, in the last five years I've read a lot of extremely silly stuff by you, but this is exceptional. It makes about as much sense as this: Erjen: Want to buy my Aquaman PEZ dispenser? Name your price. JGS: No thanks. I've already got one. Erjen: <walks way> Hey, where did my PEZ dispenser go? JGS: <holding up PEZ dispenser> Hehehehehehehe. Fool!
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 22, 2017 13:49:01 GMT
Dude selling his soul: I'll let you have my should if you make me a rock start
Satan: No thanks. You suck
Dude selling his soul: Bu...bu...but I'll devote my eternal damnation to you!
Satan: You already did when you made the offer.
BOOM! Head shot!
Advantage SATAN
Y'know, in the last five years I've read a lot of extremely silly stuff by you, but this is exceptional. It makes about as much sense as this: Erjen: Want to buy my Aquaman PEZ dispenser? Name your price. JGS: No thanks. I've already got one. Erjen: <walks way> Hey, where did my PEZ dispenser go? JGS: <holding up PEZ dispenser> Hehehehehehehe. Fool! So you do get it!
That's my point, it is nonsensical to think that Satan needs to bargain with anyone if they are willing to do his will.
What are they going to do, go back to God in full devoutness if they're rejected? lol
Will God not be able to get them back if they change their mind? lol
There is no upside for him to make deals with people that are already willing to devote their life to him.
To be clear, I don't believe any of this nonsense about eternal damnation in the first place, but even in the context of that ridiculous premise, it is stupid to think one has the ability to make deals with Satan. It's just another version of individuals thinking they are such hot stuff, they actually have value to him in the first place.
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Post by cupcakes on Sept 22, 2017 13:51:56 GMT
tpfkar I saw the devil the contrary man I saw the devil down the long, long road He said to me, boy He said to me, boy He said to me, boy I want your soul I said no I said no I said no You can't take my soul No I said no I said no, no you can't take my soul
I took a while and thought about it down at the crossroads temptin' fate I took a while and thought about it down at the crossroads temptin' fate Yeah Yeah Yeah You can take my soul Yeah Yeah Yeah You can take my soul Take my soul I want it all, yeah
Play it, baby
god or devil
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 22, 2017 14:04:02 GMT
Y'know, in the last five years I've read a lot of extremely silly stuff by you, but this is exceptional. It makes about as much sense as this: Erjen: Want to buy my Aquaman PEZ dispenser? Name your price. JGS: No thanks. I've already got one. Erjen: <walks way> Hey, where did my PEZ dispenser go? JGS: <holding up PEZ dispenser> Hehehehehehehe. Fool! So you do get it!
That's my point, it is nonsensical to think that Satan needs to bargain with anyone if they are willing to do his will.
What are they going to do, go back to God in full devoutness if they're rejected? lol
Will God not be able to get them back if they change their mind? lol
There is no upside for him to make deals with people that are already willing to devote their life to him.
To be clear, I don't believe any of this nonsense about eternal damnation in the first place, but even in the context of that ridiculous premise, it is stupid to think one has the ability to make deals with Satan. It's just another version of individuals thinking they are such hot stuff, they actually have value to him in the first place.
No, I don't get it, but then aren't you the same guy who said that any church is better than none at all? Whoever said it, Jonestown comes to mind. I'm fairly certain that you're the same guy who theorized that Saul was talking to a demon rather than the actual spirit of Samuel. Yet, I sense that you really believe the stuff you say, kind of like Bernie Sanders, and unlike Hillary who simply spewed it to get votes. I have difficulty imagining that anyone who offers to sell his/her soul to Satan is going to be turned down. Not everyone wants to be a rock star, just as not everyone wants to be a governor or a senator or a CEO. And as you said earlier, some volunteer it free of charge.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 22, 2017 14:19:24 GMT
So you do get it!
That's my point, it is nonsensical to think that Satan needs to bargain with anyone if they are willing to do his will.
What are they going to do, go back to God in full devoutness if they're rejected? lol
Will God not be able to get them back if they change their mind? lol
There is no upside for him to make deals with people that are already willing to devote their life to him.
To be clear, I don't believe any of this nonsense about eternal damnation in the first place, but even in the context of that ridiculous premise, it is stupid to think one has the ability to make deals with Satan. It's just another version of individuals thinking they are such hot stuff, they actually have value to him in the first place.
No, I don't get it, but then aren't you the same guy who said that any church is better than none at all? Whoever said it, Jonestown comes to mind. I'm fairly certain that you're the same guy who theorized that Saul was talking to a demon rather than the actual spirit of Samuel. Yet, I sense that you really believe the stuff you say, kind of like Bernie Sanders, and unlike Hillary who simply spewed it to get votes. I have difficulty imagining that anyone who offers to sell his/her soul to Satan is going to be turned down. Not everyone wants to be a rock star, just as not everyone wants to be a governor or a senator or a CEO. And as you said earlier, some volunteer it free of charge. We either know Saul wasn't talking to Samuel or undead Samuel was not a reliable source of prophetic information. You are still missing my point. Satan doesn't need to accept anyone that is willing to do his will. That doesn't make any sense. It's like my kid offering to be my kid on the condition I buy him a Ferrari. He's already my kid with or without the Ferrari.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 22, 2017 14:22:12 GMT
No, I don't get it, but then aren't you the same guy who said that any church is better than none at all? Whoever said it, Jonestown comes to mind. I'm fairly certain that you're the same guy who theorized that Saul was talking to a demon rather than the actual spirit of Samuel. Yet, I sense that you really believe the stuff you say, kind of like Bernie Sanders, and unlike Hillary who simply spewed it to get votes. I have difficulty imagining that anyone who offers to sell his/her soul to Satan is going to be turned down. Not everyone wants to be a rock star, just as not everyone wants to be a governor or a senator or a CEO. And as you said earlier, some volunteer it free of charge. We either know Saul wasn't talking to Samuel or undead Samuel was not a reliable source of prophetic information. You are still missing my point. Satan doesn't need to accept anyone that is willing to do his will. That doesn't make any sense. It's like my kid offering to be my kid on the condition I buy him a Ferrari. He's already my kid with or without the Ferrari. So your point is that we're all Satan's kids with or without a deal? That rationale is hereby rejected.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 22, 2017 14:26:28 GMT
We either know Saul wasn't talking to Samuel or undead Samuel was not a reliable source of prophetic information. You are still missing my point. Satan doesn't need to accept anyone that is willing to do his will. That doesn't make any sense. It's like my kid offering to be my kid on the condition I buy him a Ferrari. He's already my kid with or without the Ferrari. So your point is that we're all Satan's kids with or without a deal? That rationale is hereby rejected. Not all of us. I can't speak to who is or isn't since it isn't my concern.
I'm just going off what Scripture says about who are Satan worshippers and it is indeed most people.
Why wouldn't it be?
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Sept 22, 2017 14:43:08 GMT
I'm fairly certain that you're the same guy who theorized that Saul was talking to a demon rather than the actual spirit of Samuel.
How can one tell for sure the difference between a trickster demon and a good spirit, Erjen? Or, more, importantly between a trickster god and a good one?
www.thoughtco.com/trickster-gods-and-goddesses-2561501
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 22, 2017 14:56:28 GMT
So your point is that we're all Satan's kids with or without a deal? That rationale is hereby rejected. Not all of us. I can't speak to who is or isn't since it isn't my concern.
I'm just going off what Scripture says about who are Satan worshippers and it is indeed most people.
Why wouldn't it be?
The biblical indications are that Satan wants to do away with national sovereignty and have only one government, one religion, and one currency for the world. I believe that by supporting the globalist ideology a person is supporting Satan, but I don't believe that everyone who presently supports it is a soul promised to Satan. They still have time to wise up, and I pray that some of them will do so before their time runs out. I've been accused of being a racist and a radical alt-right American. That's funny. The Book of the Revelation which I hold dear mentions an uncountable number of every nation, people, and language. Sounds pretty ethnically diverse to me, and yet I'm totally okay with it. I've been accused of being anti-Semitic, and all I've said is that the Israelis are not a Semitic people. They are Europeans. I never said all of then were going to hell. They still have a chance. I've been accused of being a "homophobe." That means I'm not afraid to call homosexuality the sick perversion that it is. According to a great philosopher (Jean-Luc Picard), if we're going to be damned, let's be damned for what we really are.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 22, 2017 14:59:36 GMT
I'm fairly certain that you're the same guy who theorized that Saul was talking to a demon rather than the actual spirit of Samuel.
How can one tell for sure the difference between a trickster demon and a good spirit, Erjen? Or, more, importantly between a trickster god and a good one?
www.thoughtco.com/trickster-gods-and-goddesses-2561501 Didn't everything Saul was told come true, according to a book that you don't even believe in? Seems to me that a trickster demon wouldn't have done that.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Sept 22, 2017 15:01:15 GMT
Didn't everything Saul was told come true, according to a book that you don't even believe in? Seems to me that a trickster demon wouldn't have done that. It could have, for its own reasons...
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 22, 2017 15:04:16 GMT
Didn't everything Saul was told come true, according to a book that you don't even believe in? Seems to me that a trickster demon wouldn't have done that. It could have, for its own reasons...
Since you profess that nothing supernatural exists, your commentary is completely pointless and unnecessary, don't you think?
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Sept 22, 2017 15:07:55 GMT
It could have, for its own reasons...
Since you profess that nothing supernatural exists, your commentary is completely pointless and unnecessary, don't you think? Not everything discussed is to be taken literally true Erjen; but in this case you will remember I was asking a question of someone (you) who assumes the deliberate supernatural exists (though without, it seems ,able to give sensible and grown up reasons why lol) ...
I have, incidentally never claimed definitely that nothing supernatural exists. I just lack belief in it.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 22, 2017 15:20:30 GMT
Since you profess that nothing supernatural exists, your commentary is completely pointless and unnecessary, don't you think? Not everything discussed is to be taken literally true Erjen; but in this case you will remember I was asking a question of someone (you) who assumes the deliberate supernatural exists (though without, it seems ,able to give sensible and grown up reasons why lol) ...
I have, incidentally never claimed definitely that nothing supernatural exists. I just lack belief in it.
You're very forceful with your lack of belief.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Sept 22, 2017 15:58:37 GMT
Not everything discussed is to be taken literally true Erjen; but in this case you will remember I was asking a question of someone (you) who assumes the deliberate supernatural exists (though without, it seems ,able to give sensible and grown up reasons why lol) ...
I have, incidentally never claimed definitely that nothing supernatural exists. I just lack belief in it.
You're very forceful with your lack of belief. Thank you, I try my best. I can also give sensible and grown up reasons for it should be asked of me.
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 22, 2017 16:38:15 GMT
@iluvapple
Thanks for the kind words about the story. I'm not a professional writer, just a mere scribbler who does this in (what little exists of) his spare time, but I am trying to get this one published. We'll see. Thanks again!
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 22, 2017 19:54:50 GMT
Didn't everything Saul was told come true, according to a book that you don't even believe in? Seems to me that a trickster demon wouldn't have done that. Hmmm, if Israelites were forbidden contact with spirit mediums, & Saul himself was instrumental in the same chapter to get rid of spirit mediums in obedience to God and then turns to a spirit medium to talk to Samuel, it would seem that would be the perfect thing for a trickster demon to do since it solidifies Saul's support of false worship which, as king, has a profound impact on the whole kingdom.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 23, 2017 2:53:20 GMT
You're very forceful with your lack of belief. Thank you, I try my best. I can also give sensible and grown up reasons for it should be asked of me. No, you can't. You can only give answers that appear sensible and grown up to you, and you can't talk about your nonbelief without bashing someone else's belief. What you and the OP have is all negative toward someone else's belief. Do you really expect something that you would term as a positive in exchange for all that negative?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 23, 2017 2:56:27 GMT
Didn't everything Saul was told come true, according to a book that you don't even believe in? Seems to me that a trickster demon wouldn't have done that. Hmmm, if Israelites were forbidden contact with spirit mediums, & Saul himself was instrumental in the same chapter to get rid of spirit mediums in obedience to God and then turns to a spirit medium to talk to Samuel, it would seem that would be the perfect thing for a trickster demon to do since it solidifies Saul's support of false worship which, as king, has a profound impact on the whole kingdom. Maybe, but that's not what the Bible says happened. If it was a demon impersonating Saul, instead of Saul himself, that would mean the Bible is lying.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Sept 25, 2017 11:01:38 GMT
Thank you, I try my best. I can also give sensible and grown up reasons for it should be asked of me. No, you can't. You can only give answers that appear sensible and grown up to you, Not only to myself, my friend. Beliefs and ideas have no right to a free ride, no matter how strongly held. It is not surprising when no adult or sensible reasons can be provided for holding them, is it? Still can't answer my question then?
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