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Post by Jedan Archer on Oct 2, 2017 11:08:40 GMT
And Jedan Archer is a complete moron. He is literally the last person in the universe you should be taking stock in. I am just a simple man trying to make my way in the universe. But I will take that as a compliment coming from you. Guess, me pointing out your ignorance the other day caused that juvenile furor of yours. No need, I mean well, kid. imdb2.freeforums.net/post/933727
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 21:11:10 GMT
And Jedan Archer is a complete moron. He is literally the last person in the universe you should be taking stock in. I am just a simple man trying to make my way in the universe. But I will take that as a compliment coming from you. Guess, me pointing out your ignorance the other day caused that juvenile furor of yours. No need, I mean well, kid. imdb2.freeforums.net/post/933727
You're the ignorant one if you actually think mello is telling the truth.
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Post by Peter B. Parker on Oct 15, 2017 9:21:32 GMT
I like the idea of shared universes, but the problem is, everything's becoming a shared universe. So many damn shared universes!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 9:26:19 GMT
I like the idea of shared universes, but the problem is, everything's becoming a shared universe. So many damn shared universes! What if they were to be connected? Who would dare to make a MCU/X-men/DCEU/StarWars/StarTrek/DarkUniverse cross over? And how would that be like?
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Post by Peter B. Parker on Oct 15, 2017 9:29:42 GMT
I like the idea of shared universes, but the problem is, everything's becoming a shared universe. So many damn shared universes! What if they were to be connected? Who would dare to make a MCU/X-men/DCEU/StarWars/StarTrek/DarkUniverse cross over? And how would that be like? With King Kong and Godzilla. And everyone trying not to stand on the Lego people of the Lego Movie Universe. Now that I would pay to see.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 9:44:39 GMT
What if they were to be connected? Who would dare to make a MCU/X-men/DCEU/StarWars/StarTrek/DarkUniverse cross over? And how would that be like? With King Kong and Godzilla. And everyone trying not to stand on the Lego people of the Lego Movie Universe. Now that I would pay to see. Me too. Batman vs King Kong... who would win? Kirk vs Iron Man... I can see that. Who oh who would dare to try it?
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Post by Peter B. Parker on Oct 15, 2017 9:45:54 GMT
With King Kong and Godzilla. And everyone trying not to stand on the Lego people of the Lego Movie Universe. Now that I would pay to see. Me too. Batman vs King Kong... who would win? Kirk vs Iron Man... I can see that. Who oh who would dare to try it? Now that would be cool.
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 18, 2017 23:47:32 GMT
It's interesting that since this thread was created, Marvel showed that they can put a new spin on a movie even though it exists in their MCU. A sense of fun can permeate the entire movie even though it is leading up to a deadly serious climax (I assume).
Whatever Marvel is doing, it is working. The audience is going for it for a reason...because it's not been done before. Lots of genre get worn out with cliches over time (like the horror genre), so something that different is going to be interesting. The best thing about it for me is the ability to mix and match characters. James Bond gets old to me because he's always going to be doing the same things basically. Marvel can bring in Hulk to a Thor movie to spice things up or Iron Man into a Spider-Man movie. A ton of different combinations all can lead to new story ideas.
The question is how long can Marvel keep it up? After the big Infinity War movies they will need to take a new approach. (maybe smaller scale stories)
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Post by Nalkarj on Nov 19, 2017 0:12:54 GMT
harpospoke, I'd like to emphasize (lest my thoughts be misinterpreted) that none of what I wrote in the OP, which I'm standing by, is negated because Marvel, DC, or any company, made a good movie or even more than one good movie. I happen to think that Marvel has made several good movies, and Thor: Ragnarok, which I haven't yet seen, seems like the kind of movie I'd like. I also recently saw Wonder Woman and thought it delightful. (Indeed, if I didn't like these movies, I wouldn't be here.) Nevertheless, I continue to believe that a shared universe is a fundamentally and fatally flawed construct for superhero films, for the reasons I've already laid out. None of that is negated when one movie of a shared universe is very good. It's the conceit I dislike, not the films themselves. (Now that I think of it, conceit may be used in both senses here--"artistic effect and device" or "excessive pride." An unintentional pun, I suppose. )
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 19, 2017 0:45:45 GMT
harpospoke , I'd like to emphasize (lest my thoughts be misinterpreted) that none of what I wrote in the OP, which I'm standing by, is negated because Marvel, DC, or any company, made a good movie or even more than one good movie. I happen to think that Marvel has made several good movies, and Thor: Ragnarok, which I haven't yet seen, seems like the kind of movie I'd like. I also recently saw Wonder Woman and thought it delightful. (Indeed, if I didn't like these movies, I wouldn't be here.) Nevertheless, I continue to believe that a shared universe is a fundamentally and fatally flawed construct for superhero films, for the reasons I've already laid out. None of that is negated when one movie of a shared universe is very good. It's the conceit I dislike, not the films themselves. (Now that I think of it, conceit may be used in both senses here--"artistic effect and device" or "excessive pride." An unintentional pun, I suppose. ) I think my line of thinking is that a "fatal flaw" only exists if the genre is flooded with bad movies. If they keep creating new ones that keep people interested because they are different, then the fatal flaw never shows up. 17 movies in and Marvel certainly is dodging that "fundamental fatal flaw" don't you think? Meanwhile WB is tripping all over themselves and the "fatal flaw" bit them really hard this weekend. It took 3 movies to get the result DC got this weekend so you are right that one movie isn't the deciding factor. It is interesting to me that audiences are so interested in a shared universe idea that it took 3 movies to turn them off though. And seeing the other failed attempts at creating a shared universe does point out that it's a difficult thing to do for many of the reasons you mentioned. But Marvel is managing to not only avoid the fatal flaws, they are thriving with something that could be considered "fundamentally fatally flawed". And they are past the "fad" stage after 17 movies and nearly a decade of success. Compare this to another recent fad...the Young Adult Novel thing. Sure looked like a sure fire genre for a while there. Harry Potter, Twilight, and Hunger Games hit big. But then the HG sequels started tailing off badly while new attempts like Divergent, Chronicles of Narnia, Eragon, The 5th Wave, and Maze Runner are stumbling out of the gate.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 1:19:36 GMT
harpospoke , I'd like to emphasize (lest my thoughts be misinterpreted) that none of what I wrote in the OP, which I'm standing by, is negated because Marvel, DC, or any company, made a good movie or even more than one good movie. I happen to think that Marvel has made several good movies, and Thor: Ragnarok, which I haven't yet seen, seems like the kind of movie I'd like. I also recently saw Wonder Woman and thought it delightful. (Indeed, if I didn't like these movies, I wouldn't be here.) Nevertheless, I continue to believe that a shared universe is a fundamentally and fatally flawed construct for superhero films, for the reasons I've already laid out. None of that is negated when one movie of a shared universe is very good. It's the conceit I dislike, not the films themselves. (Now that I think of it, conceit may be used in both senses here--"artistic effect and device" or "excessive pride." An unintentional pun, I suppose. ) All constructs and for all films are flawed. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be given a chance.
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Post by merh on Nov 19, 2017 3:36:02 GMT
I have--um--support for doing this, and I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts. I am, as I've written previously, a layman to comic-book movies, in that I'm a big fan of some of them-- Superman ('78), Batman Returns, Spider-Man 2 ('04), Iron Man--but that I'm mostly bored of the whole genre, which I find an excuse now to show special effects, pyrotechnics, and explosions without much in the way of plotting, characterization, or style. That's one helluva way to start off a post on a comic book board, huh? Or rather arrogant. And sadly limited. Poor dear. Oh Hell. Why does this run through my brain? My collection runs more to the 70s & 80s. I read who I liked. Didn't like X-Men. Captain America. Thor. Ka-Zar. Ghost Rider. Defenders. Creeper. Spectre. Dr Strange. Spiderman. ... But the comic books are connected. A shared universe is natural. It defies the natural order of comic books. I love mythology. Superheroes are a variation on mythology. The Hero's Journey. How the HELL is that dull? ... If you don't like it, don't watch it. Life is short. I woke up one morning to go to the gym to find my husband of 21 yrs dead at the age of 43. He liked Survivor. Obviously he never saw the end of that season. Puts it all in perspective, doesn't it? I had a 401K, but why was I putting married filing joint away to be taxed at the higher single rate I will be at when I retire? Shit happens. Because people doing similar things never interact. I don't get a dozen BOLOs daily at work. I had a guy show up who someone noted was a person of interest of a detective with a local police agency so when my client showed, I called the detective Because it makes sense to work together. Not really. Thor 1 was a wonderful tale of redemption. Thor 2 explored the relationships Thor had. Thor 3 pulled the rug out from under the Thunderer so he had to cope with a lot of change outside his control. Maturity. Wisdom That sort of apparently useless stuff. ... You said that. Now you say people are just looking for a good time. So I can't enjoy visiting familiar characters? Piers Anthony's Xanth books. Fred Saberhagen's Dracula books. In the 70s we had Thieves World, a series of books containing short stories by different fantasy authors that took place in a shared universe. In the 80s there was the Heroes in Hell series that took various historical figures to Hell as envisioned by different authors. Che Guevara always lost his head. Marilyn Monroe was the Devil's Secretary, but the nature of Hell was no one could complete the mission making her a punishment for the Devil. Why not? I get enough real life in my real life. I don't need to pretend I'm deep watching serious crap. Yes Awww. You feeling left out? They are fun. Maybe inspirational. Like all stories, they are about the characters. Decadence is burning the candle at both ends indefinitely
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Post by Nalkarj on Nov 19, 2017 3:56:29 GMT
I would call this claim about my character "rather arrogant" and "sadly limited." I think what you wrote is rather rude, merh, and I'm certainly not going to take your sardonic, condescending crocodile tears, especially as I did nothing to offend you and as you didn't attempt to respond to the points I raised in a rational, logical manner. That's just churlish, ma'am, and shameful in interpersonal communication, especially when we're only dealing with movies, for God's sake.
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Post by merh on Nov 19, 2017 10:42:46 GMT
I would call this claim about my character "rather arrogant" and "sadly limited." I think what you wrote is rather rude, merh , and I'm certainly not going to take your sardonic, condescending crocodile tears, especially as I did nothing to offend you and as you didn't attempt to respond to the points I raised in a rational, logical manner. That's just churlish, ma'am, and shameful about interpersonal communication, especially when we're only dealing with movies, for God's sake. These don't come off a bit condescending? They do to me. I hate all that "I'm better than you because (xxxxx)" They don't think they're better than you or whatever It's geek culture. Like sports guys have their sports speak. Or fans of soaps can talk endlessly about the twists & turns. Why would it be talking about the real world? Xanth books tell about Xanth. Lord of the Rings is about Middle-Earth. I don't need works of fiction to teach me stuff. I can learn stuff reading non-fiction. I like Superheroes because they are heroic. Because they fight evil. I like Spectre because he is wildly overpowered. Same reason I like Alucard in Hellsing. I don't need to find approval in the movies I watch. I do appreciate when movies stick closer to the source. I don't need a movie that sells me on hobbits, but then has no hobbits Or maybe I've had one too many guys dismiss me for being a gal
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