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Post by shinnickneth on Mar 2, 2017 22:51:35 GMT
dorksideoftheforce.com/2016/07/19/what-we-know-about-the-canon-thrawn-novel-by-timothy-zahn/Next month sees the release of a new Thrawn novel by Timothy Zahn. It will be part of the new Star Wars timeline and canon. What does everyone think? Are you excited for it? Don't like the idea of it? Don't care? Personally, I am happy that Timothy Zahn is at least the writer behind the new novel. The Thrawn trilogy is one of my favorite stories from the EU, and although those tales are not canon anymore, I like that Thrawn is at least part of the new timeline. I look forward to seeing what Zahn does with it.
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Post by jammer81386 on Mar 2, 2017 23:37:19 GMT
dorksideoftheforce.com/2016/07/19/what-we-know-about-the-canon-thrawn-novel-by-timothy-zahn/Next month sees the release of a new Thrawn novel by Timothy Zahn. It will be part of the new Star Wars timeline and canon. What does everyone think? Are you excited for it? Don't like the idea of it? Don't care? Personally, I am happy that Timothy Zahn is at least the writer behind the new novel. The Thrawn trilogy is one of my favorite stories from the EU, and although those tales are not canon anymore, I like that Thrawn is at least part of the new timeline. I look forward to seeing what Zahn does with it. Awesome. I also really liked the Thrawn novels. Out of everything from the old EU they were the most painful to lose. The fact that Disney was disregarding the Legends continuity entirely kind of irked me. I understand wanting to do your own thing, but there were genuine fandoms within it. I personally would have loved to see Kyle Katarn on the big screen. Still it is great to see Thrawn being incorporated into the current canon. Out of all the EU characters he is one who deserves it most. With Zahn back at the helm, it will be the first novel that I will wait in line for. Thanks for the update.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 3, 2017 3:32:42 GMT
Wow!
Yeah, thanks for linking this for us. Really cool news. I tried, and failed, to get into the "new canon" with the first Aftermath but just didn't care for the writing and couldn't tolerate it long enough to make any sort of judgment about the characters or story. So this will be my first full foray into the new books.
I couldn't imagine a better tour guide than Zahn, the guy who wrote pretty much all the best Legends novels.
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Post by ryboto on Mar 3, 2017 13:08:10 GMT
Eh, I suppose, outside of TFA, I like Rebels... Not sure I'm ready to dive into the direction the new trilogy is headed.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 3, 2017 14:59:02 GMT
Eh, I suppose, outside of TFA, I like Rebels... Not sure I'm ready to dive into the direction the new trilogy is headed. Is it because it's cynical, creatively bankrupt, well worse than any incarnation of the post-ROTJ EU, completely undermines the events of episodes IV through VI especially the end of Return of the Jedi, and that TFA is exactly what it looks like when you green-light a movie without a script or even an idea out of a relentless and naked attempt to make as much money as possible? Is -- is that it? Or was it a different, unnamed reason?
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Post by shinnickneth on Mar 3, 2017 16:58:27 GMT
Eh, I suppose, outside of TFA, I like Rebels... Not sure I'm ready to dive into the direction the new trilogy is headed. This thread isn't about Rebels. It's about a new novel about Thrawn. There isn't any evidence the novel will take place at the same time as the new trilogy either. So...I think you're all good to enjoy it.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 3, 2017 17:01:55 GMT
Eh, I suppose, outside of TFA, I like Rebels... Not sure I'm ready to dive into the direction the new trilogy is headed. This thread isn't about Rebels. It's about a new novel about Thrawn. There isn't any evidence the novel will take place at the same time as the new trilogy either. So...I think you're all good to enjoy it. I tried to tell him that, but some people are just super cynical and nothing pleases them.
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Post by shinnickneth on Mar 3, 2017 17:03:44 GMT
Is it because it's cynical, creatively bankrupt, well worse than any incarnation of the post-ROTJ EU, completely undermines the events of episodes IV through VI especially the end of Return of the JediI heard similar complaints on IMDB. It's a bit naive to think there will ever be uninterrupted peace for 30+ years. The Empire was larger than just the Emperor/Vader. It would have been very "easy" for others to rise up from its ashes.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 3, 2017 17:38:07 GMT
Is it because it's cynical, creatively bankrupt, well worse than any incarnation of the post-ROTJ EU, completely undermines the events of episodes IV through VI especially the end of Return of the JediI heard similar complaints on IMDB. It's a bit naive to think there will ever be uninterrupted peace for 30+ years. The Empire was larger than just the Emperor/Vader. It would have been very "easy" for others to rise up from its ashes. Sure, and as was acknowledged IN THAT SAME SENTENCE this has been done in a better, richer, and more interesting way by literally everyone to pen anything post-Jedi before Kasdan and JJ decided to troll Lucas and the people who had the temerity to enjoy any Star Wars after Empire with their dog-whistle, dog-shit Force Awakens script.
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Post by shinnickneth on Mar 3, 2017 18:48:44 GMT
That's all very subjective. For some, most if not all of the EU is complete garbage. Others read everything and loved it all. I like quite a bit of the EU but I wouldn't say it was necessarily "better" than what Kasdan/Abrams did. I would say it was just as good.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 3, 2017 20:09:35 GMT
I can't think of an attempt at post-Jedi events worse than TFA -- from Dark Empire to Thrawn right on down the line. To each his own, I guess. All it ultimately means is that I'll be ~$11 richer than you this December.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 22:21:04 GMT
I'm just very interested to see how much of Thrawn's original background Zahn brings back. For example, will his real name still be Mitth'raw'nuruodo, etc?
I have a feeling a lot of other cool stuff will come back into canon with this book....
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 3, 2017 22:27:14 GMT
I'm just very interested to see how much of Thrawn's original background Zahn brings back. For example, will his real name still be Mitth'raw'nuruodo, etc? I have a feeling a lot of other cool stuff will come back into canon with this book.... Have you seen his appearance(s) in Rebels season three yet? I've not, save one ten-second clip. If so how does the presentation of Thrawn cohere with your expectations? Have you read any/many/all of the original Thrawn books? My guess is yeah, based on your questions. As a HUGE mark for the Grand Admiral, I'll admit I won't shed any tears if Disney mandates that Tim lose the "Mitt''thraww'wa'wa*&$annohhn'd'd'nnooouuwwwdoooodoo" first name. As long as he's got a few Ysalamanderiisii around. Or whatever they're called. They can change those to "Force-blocking geckos" or something if they want, too.
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Post by shinnickneth on Mar 3, 2017 22:34:08 GMT
I'm just very interested to see how much of Thrawn's original background Zahn brings back. For example, will his real name still be Mitth'raw'nuruodo, etc? I have a feeling a lot of other cool stuff will come back into canon with this book.... Not a fan, I take it...
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 3, 2017 22:37:49 GMT
I'm just very interested to see how much of Thrawn's original background Zahn brings back. For example, will his real name still be Mitth'raw'nuruodo, etc? I have a feeling a lot of other cool stuff will come back into canon with this book.... Not a fan, I take it... I think he's definitely a fan. If nothing else a huge Star Wars fan with a hell of a lot more open mind than most of us, my TFA-hating self included. His mileage on Thrawn may vary though.
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Post by ryboto on Mar 4, 2017 4:52:08 GMT
Have you seen his appearance(s) in Rebels season three yet? I've not, save one ten-second clip. If so how does the presentation of Thrawn cohere with your expectations? Have you read any/many/all of the original Thrawn books? Haven't seen any salamander force killers....yet, but he's otherwise what I'd expect of him, though they also make him out to be this highly adept martial artist...was that in the books? Mostly, he's calm, collected, and he studies the culture of his targets, as I'd expect given his introduction in the EU...so, they've actually respected that aspect. But he also trains with and is capable of fighting assassin droids? Might have taken a few liberties with that just so he'd be able to fight the kid jedi...Show still jives better with the SW universe than TFA..
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 4, 2017 5:14:59 GMT
Have you seen his appearance(s) in Rebels season three yet? I've not, save one ten-second clip. If so how does the presentation of Thrawn cohere with your expectations? Have you read any/many/all of the original Thrawn books? Haven't seen any salamander force killers....yet, but he's otherwise what I'd expect of him, though they also make him out to be this highly adept martial artist...was that in the books? Mostly, he's calm, collected, and he studies the culture of his targets, as I'd expect given his introduction in the EU...so, they've actually respected that aspect. But he also trains with and is capable of fighting assassin droids? Might have taken a few liberties with that just so he'd be able to fight the kid jedi...Show still jives better with the SW universe than TFA.. It jives a HELL of a lot better than TFA and Rogue, because it's treading genuinely unexplored territory in legitimately new and I think (mostly) interesting ways. The movies, OTOH, are inherently unnecessary insofar as they're bookending a complete and finished story. Badly, in the case of TFA; boringly, with at least a good half of Rogue One. re: martial arts and Thrawn: that's not in the books, but I'll buy it as an organic and believable extension to his character. It seems a very Thrawn thing to do to slay a few assassin droids with his bare hands, straighten his uniform, and then wander along the bridge of the Chimera looking at holocrons of art all afternoon.
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Post by shinnickneth on Mar 4, 2017 7:13:14 GMT
Haven't seen any salamander force killers....yet, but he's otherwise what I'd expect of him, though they also make him out to be this highly adept martial artist...was that in the books? Mostly, he's calm, collected, and he studies the culture of his targets, as I'd expect given his introduction in the EU...so, they've actually respected that aspect. But he also trains with and is capable of fighting assassin droids? Might have taken a few liberties with that just so he'd be able to fight the kid jedi...Show still jives better with the SW universe than TFA.. No in the books, Thrawn isn't a martial artist. He's more brains over brute strength. He's meticulous, mercurial, methodical, insightful, quiet yet intimidating. He spends large amounts of time alone observing and contemplating on his enemies. I haven't seen very much of Rebels (only a few episodes of the first season) or Thrawn's appearance on the show. I've actually been avoiding it out of concern they will mess up his first appearance ever on screen. The more I hear about Rebels (i.e. Darth Maul being alive), the more I'm glad I dropped it early on.
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Post by pippinmaniac on Mar 10, 2017 1:45:50 GMT
Thrawn was a great antagonist for the Rebellion. I'll be curious to see this new novel.
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Post by shinnickneth on Mar 15, 2017 22:42:30 GMT
Thrawn was a great antagonist for the Rebellion. I'll be curious to see this new novel. Yeah, I think it had to do with how different Thrawn was from Vader/The Emperor. We hadn't seen a character like him before. Also, the period of time that it came. When the first Thrawn novel came out (the first time with the EU), there were no PT movies or the ST or very many Star Wars stories besides what George Lucas created. As far as I can remember, Splinter of the Mind's Eye was all there was. Then Timothy Zahn came out with his novel and it was very exciting to see new adventures with Luke/Leia/Han!
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