Quick list of reasons PCs are better than consoles.

You misunderstood what i said. obviously the 1990's with N64 were worse as that was before modern controller standards with PS1/XBox basically.

i have played shooters on consoles since the more modern era and ill take a mouse+keyboard every single time as it's just easier for me to aim as i am not good enough to play shooters on consoles with a analog stick as it's simply too difficult to aim quickly enough to enjoy the game. basically i am handicapped using a analog stick to aim where as with a mouse i am as good as i can be.

but aiming aside... i actually do like a controller as it's more comfortable in your hands and easier on your hands as that's what i been doing recently when playing Mafia III on the PC is for general car driving(it's definitely better for car driving than keyboard since acceleration/braking is more precise because you got more control over the acceleration/braking), and everything outside of actual shooting, i been using my wireless XBox360 controller, but when i have to shoot i sit that down and go back to the mouse+keyboard combo.

p.s. i did finish playing Red Dead Redemption (on XBox360) and it was decent and all but only reason i finished that is because of the lock-on ability as if i had to aim straight up, like you normally do, there is no way i could have played that game and finished it.

Bro really?

Harry Skywalker

The mouse+keyboard not fun for you because it's too good?

as for that reason some PC gamers can't play with with gamepads is obvious... it's simply not as easy/natural to use as a mouse to track stuff on screen as quickly/precisely.

or put it this way... take a couple of random people off the street and have them use a analog stick and one a mouse, i am willing to bet if those people have used computers over the years (like for general usage) they are probably already used to the way the mouse feels where as a analog stick would likely not be as easy for them to use as quickly/accurately.

p.s. who's going to use a pen for a shooter? ; i imagine the reason no one uses those because they suck for shooter games. if they were better people would use them.

MooseNugget

The guys is most likely one of those young people obsessed with consoles to where he's blind to acknowledging anything else as even close to a console as no matter what kind of reasoned argument you come up with, he will default to saying the console is amazing and the PC is crap.

with that said... he's free to think the console is better than the PC for him and all, as we all got a opinion, but not to even acknowledge even the slightest thing in favor of a PC, as clearly both have their ups and downs when you get into the details, is obviously heavily biased towards consoles.

Harry Skywalker

Of course i read it but apparently you did not read what i said.

so ill basically repeat what i said... people use mouse for general navigation of their computers which in turn makes it a bit easier for them to play shooters because of that once they are used to that general point and click.

chances are if you have used a computer for years then playing a shooter won't be that difficult to do unlike a analog stick where it simply takes more time to get your crosshairs on the object on screen. it simply takes me less time to get the crosshairs onto a moving object with a mouse than it does with a analog stick and it's enough of a difference to where i can't enjoy shooters on a console because of that.

If those were better than a mouse+keyboard for shooter games, don't you think they would have been adopted by now by the professional gamers?

hence, people will be using mouse+keyboard for shooter based games for the foreseeable future because they are better than other options.

but that's only something i would say for shooter games (basically anything you have to aim at quickly on screen) in where i feel the mouse+keyboard is flat out superior simply because it takes me less time to track stuff on screen and shoot it within a reasonable time frame as with a analog stick i am simply not good enough to enjoy a typical shooter game.

at least i admit consoles are better than a PC in some areas unlike you admitting the PC is better than a console in some areas. like for non-shooter based games i would imagine the consoles have the overall edge for most people with all things considered.

Harry Skywalker

but AIMING definitely has something to do with general computer usage because if someone uses a PC in general, which a lot of people have for years now, they already have some built-in ability to point and click stuff on screen which applies to shooters. that's why i feel it would be easier for someone to learn to play a shooter with a mouse over a analog stick as it's likely easier for someone (like a more casual person) to adjust to because of someones general usage of computers over the years now strictly in terms of aiming at something on screen.

it just takes less time for me to get the crosshairs on a object on the screen with a mouse than a analog stick which is why i think a mouse is much better as, like i have said, it's a large enough gap for me to where it goes from where i can play and enjoy a shooter on a PC but not on a console because of that. i am just your average person whose played games for a long time now (i was born late 1979 so i basically seen the 2D to 3D transition in the mid-to-late 1990's etc) as i am no where near pro level either as seeing those pro level players play it's amazing how quickly they can take others out.

I don't see the correlation there between a pen vs the whole mouse/analog stick thing as no one uses a pen for shooters as if those were really better people would use them. look at all of the pro gamers as i am sure they want to get any advantage they can, especially when a bunch of $$$ is on the line, so if a pen was better they would be using it.

shooters are not fun when your handicapped by analog stick as it's takes more time vs a mouse (if i was only slightly handicapped it would not be that big of a deal but, like i said, it's a large enough gap to where i can't enjoy the games because of it) which i would not be surprised if some of that, in why it's more difficult for me, is because of the stick always wanting to return to the center position as, while i can't say for sure, i would like to see if i was any better at a shooter on a consoles analog stick if there was no return pressure (like to return the analog stick to the center position) and it moved more freely like a mouse does as i suspect fighting against that pressure makes things even harder for me. but i guess ill never know since, to my knowledge, no one makes them like that. because it seems like fighting against that pressure makes it harder for me to make more precise movements etc. i am only speculating here but i would not be surprised if that's at least some of the reason i am noticeably worse at shooters on a analog stick.

p.s. but i think i heard they may be bring a mouse+keyboard to the XBox's semi-soon (i don't know if that's official though or not) but even if that works good i likely won't bother as i never bothered with these current generation of consoles (i.e. PS4/XBox One etc) as XBox360 is the newest console i have. but since i tend to largely play shooters it's not worth it for me to buy a console now as while there is some games i would like to play on XBox One it's not worth spending the $$$ to play maybe a game or two.

personally i think it's more of a ease-of-use-thing in why a lot prefer consoles because with PC's there is more of a learning curve with knowing what hardware you got etc and issues with the games can turn up etc and potential upgrades as the average person probably don't know much about computers outside of the basics. so with a PC they can see things as more complicated where as with a console, you buy the console and whatever games you want and that's that, it works.

plus, like i already mentioned, outside of shooters, a console is definitely the all around better choice in my opinion for most people.

but i definitely disagree with the 'way superior' comment because that suggests consoles are better across the board (like PC's are almost obsolete etc) which is simply not true.

Harry Skywalker

Makes me wonder how many avoid PC's because of potential issues running the games more than anything else(?). or things just seem too complicated for them and consoles are what they know. but i guess we will never know. but then again i consider myself more knowledgeable about PC stuff than the average person who does not know much beyond general usage which i suspect is a lot of people out there.

also, i am mainly referring to shooters for my support of mouse+keyboard over a controller because that's clearly the PC's best strength is more precise aiming with the mouse over the analog stick. outside of shooters... i would definitely side with the consoles for sure overall.

my guess is pro players will find a mouse faster to use than a pen because of little wrist movement etc where as with a pen that seems like it would require more movement (like might have to move arm or hand etc) and would make things more difficult for them. basically i think a pen will be worse than a mouse given that info and like i say if a pen was actually better than a mouse the pro gamers would be using them when a bunch of $$$ etc is on the line.

so basically... i don't see the logic here with a pen being better than a mouse. because i just can't really see someone making a good counter argument to what i said above.

p.s. but how can one shoot at the same time using a pen? ; i have never used a pen but does it have equivalent to left and right click along with center click and the usual two side buttons which are pretty much standard on mouses for a long time now.

NOTE: also, i am talking about desktop PC's for general PC gaming as Laptops etc pretty much suck for playing games on the PC since they tend to be heavily underpowered, especially in the GPU dept. plus, Laptops are not really made to be upgraded like desktop PC's are which is another reason to avoid them. only benefit a laptop in general has over a desktop is portability as outside of that you get more power for less $$$ on a desktop etc. also, i don't see how someone is going to use a pen on a typical desktop PC anyways and if your suggesting tablet/laptop, well those are simply not made for heavy gaming.

We ain't on the same page on this one for sure.

for the general easier vs difficult thing... this is definitely a factor as that plays into the fun aspect as a analog stick simply handicaps me which makes things less fun. a analog stick (on a shooter game) stops me from playing to my potential which makes things less fun. with that said, i can like games to be more challenging at times but i don't want the device i use to interact with the game to be the cause of it as that's simply limiting you by the interface you use to interact with the game and not by limitations from your own talent levels. like when someone consistently beats me on a shooter on the PC they are simply a more skillful player than myself but when i lose on a console shooter, while it's still possible the person has more talent then me, it's pretty safe to say there are some players who would beat me on a console that would not if i had a mouse. like my skill level, or lack of it i should say, on a console shooter basically nearly guarantees ill be worse than AT LEAST 8 out of 10 players pretty easily (could be even more as i would not be surprised), especially if that person has been playing shooters on consoles for a while. but on the PC, while i don't know exactly where i would place it's pretty safe to say ill be higher up the PC shooter chain than i would be on the console chain. but with that said... i acknowledge i am no one special as i consider myself the average player or so on video games in general even though it's possible on some types of games i could be at least a little above average and could be below average on some as i am very confident i am below average at best when it comes to shooters on consoles as if you take a 100 random people who play console shooters at least here and there over the years you could bet money ill be on the lower half and i would not be surprised to see myself somewhere in the bottom 20 range. but with that said... even though i am pretty weak at console shooters there are people worse than me on those but ones that are noticeably worse likely rarely play video games in general ill bet as i would bet those who at least know the basic stuff in what to do will have noticeably better aim then myself on a console shooter.

also, it's simply a fact that some people out there (i don't know exact figures but technically it's safe for me to claim this much) prefer a mouse over a analog stick for shooters. but then again, given my own wording, you could apply this to the controller to.

less accuracy/being handicapped = less fun.

especially when your not up to a passable level like i am not with the analog stick. because if i was handicapped by the analog stick only a bit, but i could still enjoy the overall game, then it would be passable for me. but as is, it's simply below a certain level and i cannot enjoy shooters on consoles because of that. (NOTE: keep in mind i am likely below average at best when it comes to console shooters as it's safe for me to say the easy majority (if not vast majority) will be better than me on a console shooter)

ill take a mouse every single time over a analog stick for getting the crosshairs on the target as quickly as possible as i can enjoy the game more this way as i don't have to worry about the analog stick holding me back and i am as good as i possibly can be with shooters with the mouse.

but like i already mentioned... outside of aiming at stuff on screen i like a controller more than a keyboard to as it's easier on your hands and more comfortable to use. but since aiming is paramount when it comes to shooters the benefits far outweigh the drawbacks of less comfort etc. that's why i been using my wireless XBox360 controller for everything but shooting on Mafia III as the driving is definitely better with the XBox360 controller vs the keyboard as it's more precise (especially more precise for driving around) and more comfortable to use.

in terms of games across all genres overall... we agree here.

but on shooters i am polar opposite of you on this one as i don't see the benefit of using a analog stick over a mouse as it simply takes me less time to take out the targets with a mouse (basically i am playing at my max skill level with a mouse on a shooter unlike a analog stick which clearly holds me back). plus, like i mentioned... it's a significant difference for me to as it literally goes from enjoying a game to not enjoying it because it's always holding me back as it turns me from a decent player (on PC) to a below average player at best (on a console), strictly speaking shooter games.