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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 17, 2017 11:18:04 GMT
It's a false cause misconception. Acting selflessly or making a sacrifice does not necessitate that one dies or that one stays dead. Did Jesus know he would come back after dying for our sins?
I agree totally . I only mentioned it because DC Fan has constantly insisted, even started threads, about Cap America NOT making a sacrifice in First Avenger because he eventually survived (unlike Steve Trevor in WW)...and it occurred to me that the same accusation could be made about Supes (no idea what raptor said previously...don't read all his posts)
ah that, yeah...thought that might be DC bait. I cannot always logically condone DC's logic when acting on my Tristan account. But for transparency, it was announced by the omniscent ModeratedRaptor that there cannot be any real doubt anymore that I am DC fan incarnate. I have already publicly confessed. The awful, bloody truth fully documented (still uncensored despite mod-ing): imdb2.freeforums.net/post/979473/thread As a caveat: As DC fan I fully enjoy playing the white rabbit-whale for the bored MCU crowd, and especially for you, but as Tristan I might not be always fully consistent with his dogmas and debating methodology.
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Post by sostie on Oct 17, 2017 11:38:24 GMT
I agree totally . I only mentioned it because DC Fan has constantly insisted, even started threads, about Cap America NOT making a sacrifice in First Avenger because he eventually survived (unlike Steve Trevor in WW)...and it occurred to me that the same accusation could be made about Supes (no idea what raptor said previously...don't read all his posts)
But for transparency, it was announced by the omniscent ModeratedRaptor that there cannot be any real doubt anymore that I am DC fan incarnate. I have already publicly confessed. The awful, bloody truth fully documented (still uncensored despite mod-ing): imdb2.freeforums.net/post/979473/thread
Please, please, PLEASE, tell me it isn't true |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 17, 2017 11:39:06 GMT
1. Writing a good villain is the hardest thing in drama. Making the hero the actual lead of the story apparently is. Given how often the villains turn out to be the more entertaining one. Most anything by DC, for example. No, a good lead can be good if he's a well thought out character without needing the villain to be the real star of the show. Like Indiana Jones. I always wondered why you do not pour your wisdom into a book? You would revolutionize writing theory basically existing since ancient Greek theater and literature.
It would only be a small step for you man, but a giant artificial booster for mankind.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 17, 2017 11:49:46 GMT
But for transparency, it was announced by the omniscent ModeratedRaptor that there cannot be any real doubt anymore that I am DC fan incarnate. I have already publicly confessed. The awful, bloody truth fully documented (still uncensored despite mod-ing): imdb2.freeforums.net/post/979473/thread
Please, please, PLEASE, tell me it isn't true I would tell you the truth if I told you that I always lie. I already confessed being DC Fan. So, my word would not be much good here.
The truth is out there. You deem me one of the few MCU fans who enjoys a little intellectual challenge, and also were equipped with the mental facilities to find the truth yourself... 
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Post by sostie on Oct 17, 2017 12:03:11 GMT
Please, please, PLEASE, tell me it isn't true I would tell you the truth if I told you that I always lie. I already confessed being DC Fan. So, my word would not be much good here.
The truth is out there. You deem me one of the few MCU fans who enjoys a little intellectual challenge, and also were equipped with the mental facilities to find the truth yourself...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2017 12:44:31 GMT
I would tell you the truth if I told you that I always lie. I already confessed being DC Fan. So, my word would not be much good here.
The truth is out there. You deem me one of the few MCU fans who enjoys a little intellectual challenge, and also were equipped with the mental facilities to find the truth yourself...
My head hurts Im jealous. Since Im a MCU fan its usually my butt that hurts. At least thats what I have read here before. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 17, 2017 12:56:50 GMT
Making the hero the actual lead of the story apparently is. Given how often the villains turn out to be the more entertaining one. Most anything by DC, for example. No, a good lead can be good if he's a well thought out character without needing the villain to be the real star of the show. Like Indiana Jones. I always wondered why you do not pour your wisdom into a book? You would revolutionize writing theory basically existing since ancient Greek theater and literature.
It would only be a small step for you man, but a giant artificial booster for mankind.
The idea of making the hero a worthwhile character without needing to be utterly overshadowed by the villain is just as old as any of that...Heck, the Old Testament is loaded with this sort of thing. Admittedly, Shakespeare IS guilty of this. Othello is utterly dominated by Iago, while everyone else acts like random morons to facilitate his schemes (especially Rodrigo, one of the stupidest characters ever written). |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 17, 2017 19:03:31 GMT
I always wondered why you do not pour your wisdom into a book? You would revolutionize writing theory basically existing since ancient Greek theater and literature.
It would only be a small step for you man, but a giant artificial booster for mankind.
The idea of making the hero a worthwhile character without needing to be utterly overshadowed by the villain is just as old as any of that...Heck, the Old Testament is loaded with this sort of thing. Admittedly, Shakespeare IS guilty of this. Othello is utterly dominated by Iago, while everyone else acts like random morons to facilitate his schemes (especially Rodrigo, one of the stupidest characters ever written). So basically you're writing a book called "Creatively Bankrupt: Sammy Goes to Hollywood." Innit? Or it innit? |
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 17, 2017 20:02:45 GMT
The idea of making the hero a worthwhile character without needing to be utterly overshadowed by the villain is just as old as any of that...Heck, the Old Testament is loaded with this sort of thing. Admittedly, Shakespeare IS guilty of this. Othello is utterly dominated by Iago, while everyone else acts like random morons to facilitate his schemes (especially Rodrigo, one of the stupidest characters ever written). So basically you're writing a book called "Creatively Bankrupt: Sammy Goes to Hollywood." Innit? Or it innit? Nah, I'd get burned as a Heretic. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 17, 2017 20:15:15 GMT
So basically you're writing a book called "Creatively Bankrupt: Sammy Goes to Hollywood." Innit? Or it innit? Nah, I'd get burned as a Heretic. By whom?! ArArArchScrambledEggs? |
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 18, 2017 3:25:43 GMT
A proper one, like Best Picture or Director or one of the Actor ones. And not ones given out because said actor died. Nothing serious, in fact it won't come close to being nominated. It's just getting fake buzz due to the artificial boosters and the Academy not wanting to come off as sexist after the prior debacles over not recognizing Black actors more. In fact WW already did the predictable by have Steve Trevor come back for WW2. Why didn't Paul Walker win one? or Anton Yelchin? Or any of the other actors that sadly died and didn't win it? Because that's just a lame excuse by MCU fans who are jealous that DC wins Oscars and MCU doesn't. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 18, 2017 3:47:35 GMT
Why didn't Paul Walker win one? or Anton Yelchin? Or any of the other actors that sadly died and didn't win it? Because that's just a lame excuse by MCU fans who are jealous that DC wins Oscars and MCU doesn't. DCEU be like Eddie Redmayne - #ThirstyForAwards - Hee hee hee...  |
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 18, 2017 10:30:14 GMT
Why didn't Paul Walker win one? or Anton Yelchin? Or any of the other actors that sadly died and didn't win it? Because that's just a lame excuse by DCEU fans who are jealous that DCEU wins Razzies and MCU doesn't. Fixed, . |
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Post by poelzig on Oct 18, 2017 22:30:24 GMT
yeah, i hope he jokes a lot, and gets defated easily, not to take anything away from the heroes Joker DID joke a lot, and if you make the villain the star of the movie you're admitting you didn't have faith in the hero to carry the movie. Nolan clearly didn't think Batman could carry his own movies. Look at Greg Stillson in "The Dead Zone". He's the villain while the focus of the film and story is wholly on Johnny. Or was the villain the serial killer? Regardless, what and who do people remember from The Dead Zone? The way the serial killer offs himself and "The missiles are flying. Hallelujah! Hallelujah!" I've never felt like any villain in a mcu movie was a realistic threat. Just a weak (very weak) excuse for the hero to crack jokes and leap around in front of a green screen. The lack of any tension or uncertainty is a vital part of the mcu formula. The mcu demographic is a movie goer (of any age) that wants to know EXACTLY what will happen and how the movie will end before he sits down with his jumbo coke and tub of popcorn. Let me clarify before raptor reports me and scabab misinterprets my post. I am NOT insinuating that all mcu fans are obese. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 18, 2017 23:22:42 GMT
Joker DID joke a lot, and if you make the villain the star of the movie you're admitting you didn't have faith in the hero to carry the movie. Nolan clearly didn't think Batman could carry his own movies. Look at Greg Stillson in "The Dead Zone". He's the villain while the focus of the film and story is wholly on Johnny. Or was the villain the serial killer? The serial killer was a "Starter Villain". ...And Walken. Definitely Walken. Mainly because they don't take the lazy way out and make the villain the star of the show. The only reason people say that is because the MCU people are nice enough to tell us about future movies, so we know the heroes will survive and stuff. Naturally, instead of appreciating this it's just another thing anti-MCU people whine about. |
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