The Huntress Finally Returning to Arrow!!

Oct 16, 2017 7:33:54 GMT Chalice_Of_Evil said:

This is good news, as I really liked Jessica De Gouw in the role of Helena/Huntress (plus she’s a fellow Aussie too!). I wasn’t really that into Season 1 of the show (the fact that the channel which aired it here edited what they deemed “too violent” probably didn’t help) until she turned up.

I don’t know if anyone else felt this way, but I always found it a bit hypocritical of Oliver to be telling Helena *not* to kill her father (who was responsible for the death of her fiancée, Michael), when he was off killing people and racking up a decent body count himself. I think he tried to make a distinction between “justice” and “vengeance”...but that distinction probably didn’t make much difference to those he killed (or their families). In the end, though, her father was killed anyway – so I think Oliver could’ve just let Helena have her vengeance and avoided a whole lot of trouble.

Of course, this^ is just my opinion. I understand others will feel differently.

I think part of the difference is why they were doing it though, Helena was only out for revenge, Oliver believed he was helping people, killing people or hurting organisations  wasn't the end to his plan but the means to it, Oliver would take back what people stole and return it or try to set an innocent man free with what he was doing, and as we saw Oliver didn't just stop the 1 bad guy and move on when a new player emerged in the chaos he would target them also, Helena didn't seem to care about the collateral damage so long as it led up to the one man she wanted dead dying.

I mean you cant forget part of her plan was to have the mob and the triad go to war with each other, her much innocent blood would possibly be spilled in something like that, even when Oliver's action endangered innocents he would risk himself to protect them, Helena didn't care about that.

That being said when she finally had her dad dead to rights then yeah may as well let her get her revenge because that ultimately would spare more lives because in keeping I'm alive how many more people did Helena kill in trying to get to him? At tat point Oliver's stopping her for his own selfish reason which is no more valid than her desire for revenge, but as a whole imo Oliver was right to try and stop her even if in that moment he probably should have let her have revenge.

Oct 16, 2017 11:03:31 GMT @red said:

Oct 16, 2017 8:37:13 GMT dazz said:

I think part of the difference is why they were doing it though, Helena was only out for revenge, Oliver believed he was helping people, killing people or hurting organisations  wasn't the end to his plan but the means to it, Oliver would take back what people stole and return it or try to set an innocent man free with what he was doing, and as we saw Oliver didn't just stop the 1 bad guy and move on when a new player emerged in the chaos he would target them also, Helena didn't seem to care about the collateral damage so long as it led up to the one man she wanted dead dying.

I mean you cant forget part of her plan was to have the mob and the triad go to war with each other, her much innocent blood would possibly be spilled in something like that, even when Oliver's action endangered innocents he would risk himself to protect them, Helena didn't care about that.

That being said when she finally had her dad dead to rights then yeah may as well let her get her revenge because that ultimately would spare more lives because in keeping I'm alive how many more people did Helena kill in trying to get to him? At tat point Oliver's stopping her for his own selfish reason which is no more valid than her desire for revenge, but as a whole imo Oliver was right to try and stop her even if in that moment he probably should have let her have revenge.

Im still not sure why Oliver had to be a serial killer. I guess dceu's batman and cw's oliver queen have that whole darkness thing in common hahaha...

For how they wanted to use him it made sense, Green Arrow needs to do something extreme to be feared and respected in the way he needed to be, given he was basically Batman but in a Robin Hood get up just beating thugs up wouldn't work, the thing with Batman is it's so ridiculous to buy a guy dressing up in a batsuit is going to fight the mob and stuff, so Batman preys on the superstition and stupidity of a lot of the thugs early on, various forms of the character have the early part of his history having criminals think he's supernatural, it's not really till he faces off with his rogue's gallery that the man in Batman is their focus and not the Bat, also the level of gadgets he has to enable him to strike fear helps.

Oliver as a guy with a bow and arrow needs to be deadly to be feared, if those he faced off with knew he wouldn't kill them what's the incentive to cooperate, he doesn't have top secret stealth aircrafts or bat themed tanks to help make his point, he needs them to fear how far he'll go to break people, once he earned that fear he doesn't need to use those methods as much because everyone knows there is no line he wont cross so there's no safety net to fall back on.

Also silly side note but he's far less murderous than some people thought, he only kills like 20 or so people, give or take 5, I always forget the exact number the show actually states, most just assume every arrow fired = a kill but he's far less kill happy I'm happy to say.

The thing that annoys me is now S5 ruined S1 Oliver for me, he's not a ptsd riddled survivor trying to make things right the only way he can, he's a spoiled brat who barely let a child's death impact him but spent a year hunting a Russian mob boss for some random chick, also his love for Laurel is fake, S1 Oliver is just a cock thanks to S3-5 of flashbacks.